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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 27, 2022 18:03:21 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on May 1, 2022 14:20:58 GMT -5
I think 22 games is too early to point fingers at individual players, so I dug into some basic, retrospective team batting stats to see if something stands out to explain how offensive the offense has been. I also compared the 2021 Sox to the 2022 edition because one huge difference that sticks out to me between those teams is that the 2021 Sox were the team that imposed heartbreaking losses on other teams (especially the MFYs), not the team that absorbed them, like the 2022 Sox. Also the 2022 lineup is essentially the same as the 2022 lineup, save for replacing Marwin with Story and Renfroe with JBJ. Here's a table to summarize and perhaps point to one place where the 2022 Sox have been really bad:
| 2021 | 2022 | Team BA/OPS | .261/.778 | .225/.609 | RISP
| .268/.792
| .231/.613
| Two out, RISP | .262/.824 | .132/.432 | No outs | .268/.743 | .270/.724 | One out | .264/.783 | .266/.691 | Two outs | .250/.773 | .123/.375 | High leverage | .282/.828 | .246/.612 | Med leverage | .269/.773 | .209/.602
| Low leverage | .246/.761 | .235/.616 | Bases empty
| .266/.805 | .205/.563 | Men on base
| .280/.804 | .252/.673 | Hits per run
| 1.73 | 2.18 | K% | 22.6 | 21.6 | BB% | 8.4 | 5.9 | Runs/game | 5.1 | 3.5 |
Going into this, I was pretty sure that a big problem with 2022 was going to be RISP, as this team seems particularly unclutch. I get that RISP is not a predictive stat, it's a retrospective stat. But I'm just trying to diagnose the problem, not predict what will happen in the next 22 games, and retrospective stats can do that. The 2022 team's RISP numbers are pretty much the same as their overall numbers, so the stats say that the team as a whole is neither clutch nor unclutch. B-Ref's "leverage" breakdown doesn't really reveal anything either. But look at the two-out RISP -- it's way down, right? Unclutch! Well maybe, but that stat is skewed by the strangest number on the whole board: Hitting with two outs. Is hitting with two outs even a thing? Why should it be? Do hitters do anything differently with two outs compared to with no outs or one out? Do pitchers do anything different to them? Is there such a thing as a "two out approach"? You're more likely to have runners on base with two outs but the full 2021 seasons stats would suggest that hitting numbers are more or less the same regardless of how many outs there are (gotta like the 2021 two-out RISP numbers, though). Whether two-out hitting is just luck or randomness, the 2022 team has been undeniably awful at it. What does it mean? Well, in a practical sense it means that once the other team has two outs on the Sox, they're pretty much out of the inning. It's as though when the Sox get two outs they have to then pinch-hit with a pitcher. The old adage about errors says that you don't want your defense to give the other team extra outs; well, the 2022 Sox offense is giving the opposition an extra out half the time. Granted, it's probably just random bad luck but if that bad luck always came with no outs or one out, the inning wouldn't be over right afterwards, like it is after two outs. They may not be able to do anything about two-out hitting success besides hope it evens out but there is one thing shown here that they can do something about: Try to draw more walks. Their walk rate is down 30% compared to last season. The Red Sox are 29th in MLB in BBs, ahead of only the White Sox (take home: Sox don't walk). In an environment where the ball doesn't appear to be carrying as far and batting averages are down, getting on base is all the more important and the 2022 Sox are going in the wrong direction.
One reflection of our favorite team's malaise is that on average it's taking the 2022 Sox 2.18 hits to produce one run. That's the fourth highest ratio in MLB, behind only KC, BAL, and DET. Buried lede: being tied for 28th in OBP and 23rd in SLG doesn't help.
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Post by incandenza on May 2, 2022 11:50:14 GMT -5
Interesting theory, from Joe Posnanski, and I won't be upset if it turns out to be true...
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 3, 2022 9:46:28 GMT -5
So MLB as the big daddy of hitting coaches... "incentivizing" is one of those words loved by boardroom denizens. I'm a little less excited about seeing it in action at the plate.
Ownership's apparent goal of rationalizing all aspects of the game is another touchstone for the business class. If screwing with the baseball year after year is part of that, they'll make the people who brought us WAR and it's variants happy. That will be the only way to actually compare players across seasons. It certainly won't be the record books. Those will have been cooked - another boardroom winner.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on May 3, 2022 9:49:12 GMT -5
So MLB as the big daddy of hitting coaches... "incentivizing" is one of those words loved by boardroom denizens. I'm a little less excited about seeing it in action at the plate. Ownership's apparent goal of rationalizing all aspects of the game is another touchstone for the business class. If screwing with the baseball year after year is part of that, they'll make the people who brought us WAR and it's variants happy. That will be the only way to actually compare players across seasons. It certainly won't be the record books. Those will have been cooked - another boardroom winner. I hate it.
Baseball has gone from pastime to fungible commodity.
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Post by greenmonster on May 3, 2022 9:52:35 GMT -5
I can totally see that....One interesting question for me is are the "dead balls" just returning to the same condition they were prior to the "juiced ball" or is it deadened even further??
Assuming that there are no future ball adjustments coming, I believe teams will begin to prioritize some undervalued skills such as batting average, base running, and defense. Currently most teams have a stockpile of "3 Outcome" players which is making the current state pretty painful when the dead ball reduces to "2 Outcomes".
The new shift rule coming in 2023 will reward gap-to-gap hitters and make it harder to hide players who can't field their positions. This should make defensive skills more valuable.
Teams that respond to this sooner rather than later will be the most successful in the near term. Of course everything changes if Manfred keeps monkeying around with the ball and doesn't tell anyone. He can't continue to keep plans to himself and expect everyone to guess.
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Post by jimed14 on May 3, 2022 10:50:01 GMT -5
I can totally see that....One interesting question for me is are the "dead balls" just returning to the same condition they were prior to the "juiced ball" or is it deadened even further?? Assuming that there are no future ball adjustments coming, I believe teams will begin to prioritize some undervalued skills such as batting average, base running, and defense. Currently most teams have a stockpile of "3 Outcome" players which is making the current state pretty painful when the dead ball reduces to "2 Outcomes". The new shift rule coming in 2023 will reward gap-to-gap hitters and make it harder to hide players who can't field their positions. This should make defensive skills more valuable. Teams that respond to this sooner rather than later will be the most successful in the near term. Of course everything changes if Manfred keeps monkeying around with the ball and doesn't tell anyone. He can't continue to keep plans to himself and expect everyone to guess. I'd assume that they are back to the way before they were juiced, but players haven't instantly adjusted to not swinging for the fences every pitch. Then again, MLB could create 7 types of balls to use on each day of the week. I've read that there are different batches of balls that change inning by inning too and the players are really pissed about it. They never should have messed with them in the first place.
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Post by incandenza on May 3, 2022 10:53:45 GMT -5
I really don't see what's wrong with changing the balls to engineer a more aesthetically pleasing style of play. I'm all for that. I just don't know why there needs to be this weird lack of transparency about it.
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Post by greenmonster on May 3, 2022 11:01:46 GMT -5
I am not sure every player will be able to adjust, that's who they are. Lots of the gap-to-gap players that can run and play defense haven't been getting drafted as teams prioritize power that can hit over the shift.
Very disconcerting to see pre-game advertisements (Draft Kings, Fanduel, etc) encouraging betting and then hear about multiple ball variations that are changing inning to inning and clearly impacting results.
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Post by greenmonster on May 3, 2022 11:04:33 GMT -5
I really don't see what's wrong with changing the balls to engineer a more aesthetically pleasing style of play. I'm all for that. I just don't know why there needs to be this weird lack of transparency about it. Agreed....my only issue is, don't play with it inning to inning or even game to game. Make the change, Let everyone know and move forward.
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Post by greenmonster on May 8, 2022 10:38:12 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on May 8, 2022 11:01:24 GMT -5
You can’t tell me Manfred isn’t a plant from one of the other sports leagues trying to kill baseball
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Post by grandsalami on May 9, 2022 9:48:16 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on May 10, 2022 23:59:21 GMT -5
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Post by greenmonster on May 11, 2022 9:00:09 GMT -5
Apparently not all the balls are dead.... Right-handed hitter Anthony Rendon homers while batting left-handed. Clears the 370ft fence in RCF easily. The pitch was delivered at 54mph so it didn't help supply much power.
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