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4/25-4/28 Red Sox @ Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 25, 2022 20:16:25 GMT -5
Travis Shaw, Rob Refsnyder, Tyler Danish are all on the Boston Red Sox. None of them belongs in the major leagues. Wonderful roster construction, Chaim. Refsnyder is on the team because Arauz has COVID. Danish is on the team because Houck and Crawford aren't in Toronto because of vaccine status. Shaw will almost certainly be replaced by Casas before long. The roster is already two slots bigger than it will be for most of the year.
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Post by nomar on Apr 25, 2022 20:21:10 GMT -5
This Celtics game is rigged
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Post by manfred on Apr 25, 2022 20:22:05 GMT -5
Good to use the 9th to add dumb base-running to the tally.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 25, 2022 20:22:14 GMT -5
Mother’s Day miracle coming up here (1 fewer run)
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Post by manfred on Apr 25, 2022 20:23:35 GMT -5
This Celtics game is rigged You have to root for the Nets just to see what Ben Simmons comes up with to avoid game5.
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Post by manfred on Apr 25, 2022 20:25:55 GMT -5
Luckily it is still early so these games don’t count as much in the final record.
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 25, 2022 20:30:12 GMT -5
Anybody know team batting average RISP?
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Post by benzinger on Apr 25, 2022 20:31:34 GMT -5
Who watched the first inning and thought “Berrios will definitely hold these guys scoreless through 7”? <raises hand slowly> Then again, I watch every game thinking that “Starter X will definitely hold these guys scoreless through 7”....
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Post by benzinger on Apr 25, 2022 20:35:52 GMT -5
If we're going to lose this year, let us lose big. I don't want to hang around 4 games back of the third wild card and never quite get over .500. Completely agree. Nothing is worse than being in the middle of the pack. Fortunately, we are fans of one of the best boom and bust teams of all-time. If this is a bust year, Bloom will have fun shipping the likes of Bogaerts, JDM, Eovaldi & multiple bullpen arms for prospects at the deadline. Blow it all up if this isn’t the year.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 25, 2022 20:40:41 GMT -5
Rock bottom yet???
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 25, 2022 20:41:32 GMT -5
This team is as exciting as a root canal.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 25, 2022 20:42:27 GMT -5
Pivetta vs. Gausman tomorrow. You tell me
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Post by congusgambler33 on Apr 25, 2022 20:44:29 GMT -5
Its early..Pete Fatse said so. I guess it doesn't matter that they have stunk it up against their main rivals. Not very enticing following this team right now.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 25, 2022 20:44:58 GMT -5
Well, now we know what a 2-hour, 20 minute game looks like. Is that what we really want? Seven innings of nothing and then all of a sudden it's over and there's no time to come back. I barely feel like I listened to a baseball game. Give me 3:30 game with a lot of baserunners and jams for pitchers to work out of every day of the week and a double-header on Sunday.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 25, 2022 20:55:33 GMT -5
Funny thought I had watching the game on my phone at the gym.. It actually ended up being a good thing Bobby dropped that ball in the moment because if he catches it, the runner on second is going on contact with two outs and scores easily on that Springer hit.
Of course, it didn't matter in the end, but just thought it was interesting.
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Post by kjkramer on Apr 25, 2022 20:56:47 GMT -5
If not there yet.... have to be close
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 25, 2022 21:00:45 GMT -5
Didn't get to see much of the game. At least I didn't miss anything interesting.
At this point early in the season, Tor, TB, and NY are establishing themselves as better teams than the Sox.
I figured 3rd or 4th place, around. 500 and they're doing nothing to dissuade that notion.
It seems to me they overachieved last season, needed to improve, and instead got worse and don't have any of the luck or mojo that they had most of last season.
It's really early, but one thing the Sox usually do in successful seasons is get off to a good start. Even the 2004 Sox who suffered a 3 month midseason malaise, got off to a 15-6 start.
The vibe of this season feels kind of like 2019 except that year their hitting wasn't good enough to overcome bad pitching. This year it's the opposite although I do think they'll hit eventually, although never walking is a bad thing, but I'd guess that when the offense wakes up, the pitching staff will give it up. I think Bloom needed to fortify the team and failed to materially do so, at least outside of Story, who I was not really that high on quite honestly.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 25, 2022 21:21:19 GMT -5
Didn't even have the energy to follow along with this game.
I have never been so disinterested in a Red Sox season, since they replaced the Mets as my favorite team in 1975. I am trying to pin down why that is. I don't think there is just 1 reason. I am getting older (mid 50's) and some of this is just natural movement away from Sports in general (probably hung on too long here, but I just love the Red Sox). But no doubt, the way the games are being played and the way this team is structured is also having profound effects.
It feels so contrived, this roster. We have lost star power. I guess if you just care about the farm and discussions about luxury taxes and overypaying, it won't make a difference. I hate to create that dividing line, because i know those fans love the Sox just as much as I do.
However, we have kind of reaped what we have sown here. It isn't just the record, it is the loss of legacy Sox players and the probability that we are going lose more soon. I guess my fandom is Old and In the Way. It helped me to want to watch games when the great legacy players were wearing the uniform.
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Post by manfred on Apr 25, 2022 21:35:00 GMT -5
Didn't even have the energy to follow along with this game. I have never been so disinterested in a Red Sox season, since they replaced the Mets as my favorite team in 1975. I am trying to pin down why that is. I don't think there is just 1 reason. I am getting older (mid 50's) and some of this is just natural movement away from Sports in general (probably hung on too long here, but I just love the Red Sox). But no doubt, the way the games are being played and the way this team is structured is also having profound effects. It feels so contrived, this roster. We have lost star power. I guess if you just care about the farm and discussions about luxury taxes and overypaying, it won't make a difference. I hate to create that dividing line, because i know those fans love the Sox just as much as I do. However, we have kind of reaped what we have sown here. It isn't just the record, it is the loss of legacy Sox players and the probability that we are going lose more soon. I guess my fandom is Old and In the Way. It helped me to want to watch games when the great legacy players were wearing the uniform. I feel much the same (though I think I’ve probably been lower than I am now). I just feel like this team has gotten a bit worse every off season since about 2019, and the idea that an uptick of prospects in the lower minors should be compensation is not enough. But I guess I don’t get “the plan”?
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 25, 2022 21:45:45 GMT -5
Venable has brought in 7 relievers with a Leverage Index of 2.0 or greater.
LI, Name, Results in WPA
10.74, Barnes, .251 4.24, Brasier, - .285
What kind of bullpen management involves bringing in the guy with both the worst xwOBA and WPA rate into the second biggest moment in a 5-game spread?
3.61, Danish, -.317
What kind of bullpen management involves bringing in the guy who is your COVID roster replacement and 40th guy on the 40-man into the third biggest moment in a 5-game spread?
3.16, Diekman, -.087 2.95, Robles, - .749 (Story is - .083) 2.14, Danish, .117
Same question as always, in this case, how can the 15th guy on the staff be the one guy who gets two extra-high leverage outings?
Strahm, with the team's best xERA and 2nd best WPA rate, saw a 1.80 (-.064) and 1.40 (.119).
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 25, 2022 21:46:10 GMT -5
I feel much the same ( though I think I’ve probably been lower than I am now). I just feel like this team has gotten a bit worse every off season since about 2019, and the idea that an uptick of prospects in the lower minors should be compensation is not enough. But I guess I don’t get “the plan”? i have definitely had years of more frustration, anxiety, whatever you want to call it. And the plan is really is really kind of open at this point, after 3 years. They are gonna be patient and build through the draft and not spend a penny more than they think they have to on a certain player (within reasonable +/-). We will see a revolving door of players. We won't have the same kind of dynamic that I grew up with. It isn't really that important to have a discussion about the pro/cons of each, as this is the way it going. The stat people have kind of won in how the game should be managed and played or rosters constructed. It will likely ebb and flow a bit, but there won't be the same core legacy guys. If someone really succeeds, like a Devers, it a real question whether he will stay. That is so disheartening and I think, very short sighted. There is just a realization that my time in this general Red Sox arena, is nearing an end, or maybe it is over now. I don't like the presentation. The wins are losses are important, but you and I went through the lean years. I could never complain about that now.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 25, 2022 22:39:11 GMT -5
I feel much the same ( though I think I’ve probably been lower than I am now). I just feel like this team has gotten a bit worse every off season since about 2019, and the idea that an uptick of prospects in the lower minors should be compensation is not enough. But I guess I don’t get “the plan”? i have definitely had years of more frustration, anxiety, whatever you want to call it. And the plan is really is really kind of open at this point, after 3 years. They are gonna be patient and build through the draft and not spend a penny more than they think they have to on a certain player (within reasonable +/-). We will see a revolving door of players. We won't have the same kind of dynamic that I grew up with. It isn't really that important to have a discussion about the pro/cons of each, as this is the way it going. The stat people have kind of won in how the game should be managed and played or rosters constructed. It will likely ebb and flow a bit, but there won't be the same core legacy guys. If someone really succeeds, like a Devers, it a real question whether he will stay. That is so disheartening and I think, very short sighted. There is just a realization that my time in this general Red Sox arena, is nearing an end, or maybe it is over now. I don't like the presentation. The wins are losses are important, but you and I went through the lean years. I could never complain about that now. One thing I realize - all of the advanced stats don't add a whit of enjoyment of the game to me. It is what I observe, the ebb and flow - not obscure stats that can be manipulated to say pretty much anything, even things that defy what we observe. I've been so stoked about the Celtics, and to a lesser degree, Bruins, that I've not paid close enough attention to the Red Sox to be bothered (yet). It does seem the team runs hot or cold in alternating years - sometimes I wonder if a particular manager works his magic in one season, but then is less able to motivate the next. It is weird - the Sox started spring training hot, then tailed off and the tailing off continues. I have been a Sox fan so long that I've not lost the passion - for the team - but certain teams are tougher to get behind. Letting Lester go, letting Mookie go - they take a toll. If they let Xander walk, or Devers, I have to admit it is a different game now, more about the business and money than anything else. But - this team feels like it is missing something, if not several somethings. They could quickly turn it around. And they may not. We will see soon enough.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 26, 2022 0:36:25 GMT -5
i have definitely had years of more frustration, anxiety, whatever you want to call it. And the plan is really is really kind of open at this point, after 3 years. They are gonna be patient and build through the draft and not spend a penny more than they think they have to on a certain player (within reasonable +/-). We will see a revolving door of players. We won't have the same kind of dynamic that I grew up with. It isn't really that important to have a discussion about the pro/cons of each, as this is the way it going. The stat people have kind of won in how the game should be managed and played or rosters constructed. It will likely ebb and flow a bit, but there won't be the same core legacy guys. If someone really succeeds, like a Devers, it a real question whether he will stay. That is so disheartening and I think, very short sighted. There is just a realization that my time in this general Red Sox arena, is nearing an end, or maybe it is over now. I don't like the presentation. The wins are losses are important, but you and I went through the lean years. I could never complain about that now. One thing I realize - all of the advanced stats don't add a whit of enjoyment of the game to me. It is what I observe, the ebb and flow - not obscure stats that can be manipulated to say pretty much anything, even things that defy what we observe. I've been so stoked about the Celtics, and to a lesser degree, Bruins, that I've not paid close enough attention to the Red Sox to be bothered (yet). It does seem the team runs hot or cold in alternating years - sometimes I wonder if a particular manager works his magic in one season, but then is less able to motivate the next. It is weird - the Sox started spring training hot, then tailed off and the tailing off continues. I have been a Sox fan so long that I've not lost the passion - for the team - but certain teams are tougher to get behind. Letting Lester go, letting Mookie go - they take a toll. If they let Xander walk, or Devers, I have to admit it is a different game now, more about the business and money than anything else. But - this team feels like it is missing something, if not several somethings. They could quickly turn it around. And they may not. We will see soon enough. We’ve had guys like Ortiz, Pedroia, Youkilis, Papelbon, even Jonny Gomes. This team feels like a bunch of JD Drew’s and I was actually a fan of his, thinking he was underrated. The problem is the lack of intensity every night and I think that’s what Josh Donaldson brings to the MFY. George Springer and Max Scherzer come to mind as well, and it’s not the losing, it’s just the lack of fire that’s bothering all of us
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Post by soxfanatic on Apr 26, 2022 4:33:07 GMT -5
A .274 OBP (ranks 27th) for this line up (without any major hitters missing extend time even) is inexusable. You could say only Bogey, JD and Dugie are meeting or exceeding expectations.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 26, 2022 7:41:49 GMT -5
There is a real lack of urgency in both team construction and managing. The bottom half of the lineup is atrocious.
Trade Eovaldi at the deadline and get a much needed SP prospect in the system.
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