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When Kiké Hernández Comes Back
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Post by carl4sox on Jun 28, 2022 17:55:20 GMT -5
Where will he play?
Ideally, Jarren in left, Kique in C, Duggie in R (he was really good there his first year with the Sox. Refsnyder as 4th OF if he continues his magic?
Where does that leave JBJ? He's great at home, and in the field. But the noodle bat.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jun 28, 2022 17:57:33 GMT -5
I've seen Kiké spelled Kiké,Kiki, keekay, but this is the first time I've seen Kique
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 28, 2022 18:45:33 GMT -5
I've seen Kiké spelled Kiké,Kiki, keekay, but this is the first time I've seen Kique Would Kique not be pronounced Ky-Q That said Iâd say Duran is in CF most of the time. Vs RH for sure. Kiké starts Vs LH. Probably bring him back slowly. Give everybody a day off and then reassess who is playing good/injured. Bigger question is who goes. Refsnyder, Aroyyo, Bradley, Cordero, Dalbec.
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 28, 2022 19:00:53 GMT -5
Who is playing RF is the question, no one knows I think yet. Kiké is still far enough out that it's not a story yet, but it will be in a few weeks.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 28, 2022 20:40:31 GMT -5
Something is going to have to give when Kique returns. There are already five OF plus Arroyo.
JBJ Verdugo Refsnyder Duran Franchy Kique
You figure Franchy is safe because he can play 1B and is starting to prove himself. Verdugo and Kique are obviously locks. JDM can play OF in a pinch, so you wonder if they'll want to carry 5 OFs. That leaves 1-2 spots for three guys. Only one of those guys has options, so the easiest thing is to send Duran down. Refsnyder has thrived as the RH OF everyone said we needed in the off-season. Dropping JBJ (and eating about $10m) is a popular take but he is the quintessential defensive replacement for the team that probably benefits most from a defensive replacement in the OF.
Ultimately, having great depth is a good thing. Maybe a trade breaks the logjam? Injuries also happen. I think the safest bet when Kique comes back is that Duran heads back to Worcester and keeps working on his routes.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 28, 2022 22:21:48 GMT -5
The Sox could go full platoon in the OF or at least 2/3 of it anyways.
They could platoon Duran and Hernandez and they can platoon JBJ and Refsnyder.
Doubt they'll do that, but it seems to me that Duran and Hernandez play regularly with some sort of outfield alignment of Verdugo, Duran, and Hernandez.
My guess is that Hernandez sits against some righties opening up some time for JBJ. Against lefties Duran probably hits the bench in favor of Refsnyder, meaning a probable Verdugo/Hernandez/Refsnyder outfield alignment against southpaws.
Maybe JBJ gets more of his ABs at Fenway against righties although I don't know if that's some kind of small sample size fluke - JBJ is a pretty lousy offensive player in totality. However, he's perfect to come off the bench in late game situations and play stellar defense.
Verdugo can get an occasional rest. They could use Hernandez in the infield once in a while, but my guess is that it won't happen often, because if an infielder needs a rest, Arroyo probably gets the start. We don't need to see Arroyo in the outfield anymore.
Duran can come off the bench as well when they need speed. As a regular he gives them a potentially dynamic leadoff hitter, which they've been lacking this year and for awhile although Hernandez had a really good 2nd half and postseason.
So there is a way to mix and match and maximize what they do best. It would be nice if they had a set RF so they didn't have to do that, but what they have might work.
It's just weird seeing the Sox platoon at so many positions, which includes 1b where they have Franchy (who can play corner OF if need be) and Dalbec. All of this platooning makes me think that at some point Bloom either gets a RF or a 1b. I'm guessing he acquires a LH hitting 1b, as there should be a bunch of them available, although I'm not sure what they do with Franchy. Too bad Casas is injured and not an option for 1b.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 1, 2022 14:44:50 GMT -5
Is Kiké really a lock? He hasn’t been good for awhile now and won’t even be on the team next year.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 1, 2022 23:21:19 GMT -5
Is Kiké really a lock? He hasn’t been good for awhile now and won’t even be on the team next year. I think he's good enough defensively that he gets plenty of run to see if his bat comes back.
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Post by orcoaster on Jul 3, 2022 9:54:36 GMT -5
Now that he's vaxxed and more importantly hitting, I'm happy to see Duran in center everyday although his circuitous routes are unnecessarily thrilling.
Verdugo has settled nicely into left. Although he can play it, he's not as good in right. I'd be surprised to see him play an inning in right. JD would probably run out there before Alex does. (Watch out for that base!)
JBJ has lost a step or two, but his instincts are still the best I've seen and his strong, accurate arm plays anywhere. While it's more fun to see him taking righties off the Wall than grounding lefties to second, his defense is enough to keep him around for late innings and the occassional relief start.
Refsnyder has been great in small doses. He plays big, but overexposure risks his excellence. He adds value by playing first, second, and third in a pinch. Youthful enthusiasm in a guy old enough to appreciate being on the ballclub.
How does Kiké fit in? Like JBJ, his defense makes him valuable. His defensive flexibility make him invaluable. He can handle right as part of a platoon/rotation and also serve as backup at short and second. Cora's loyalty to him concerns me. Worse case scenario, Cora reinstalls Kiké as the lead off centerfielder, sending Duran to the bench or Worcester. Better case: Kiké plays 70% of the time in right, a little bit in the infield, and hits ninth, giving the lineup two lead off hitters (R/L) after the first time through. Cora's intelligence hopefully overrules his loyalty.
So who goes? Sadly, Christian Arroyo. He doesn't bring a skill that the other five don't already possess. Arroyo is not hitting. Kiké's infield defense is better or as good. Despite the heroic effort, Arroyo is no better than Duran in the outfield, certainly not close to Kiké or JBJ. If he could catch, he could bump Plawecki, but otherwise his best role is waiting in Worcester for someone to get injured.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 3, 2022 10:45:27 GMT -5
Again, just to remind everyone, you can type the letters of how he spells it and the forum will add the accent mark. He spells it Kiké.
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Post by orcoaster on Jul 3, 2022 11:58:55 GMT -5
I knew that. My fingers betrayed me.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 3, 2022 12:09:14 GMT -5
Now that he's vaxxed and more importantly hitting, I'm happy to see Duran in center everyday although his circuitous routes are unnecessarily thrilling. Verdugo has settled nicely into left. Although he can play it, he's not as good in right. I'd be surprised to see him play an inning in right. JD would probably run out there before Alex does. (Watch out for that base!) JBJ has lost a step or two, but his instincts are still the best I've seen and his strong, accurate arm plays anywhere. While it's more fun to see him taking righties off the Wall than grounding lefties to second, his defense is enough to keep him around for late innings and the occassional relief start. Refsnyder has been great in small doses. He plays big, but overexposure risks his excellence. He adds value by playing first, second, and third in a pinch. Youthful enthusiasm in a guy old enough to appreciate being on the ballclub. How does Kiki fit in? Like JBJ, his defense makes him valuable. His defensive flexibility make him invaluable. He can handle right as part of a platoon/rotation and also serve as backup at short and second. Cora's loyalty to him concerns me. Worse case scenario, Cora reinstalls Kiki as the lead off centerfielder, sending Duran to the bench or Worcester. Better case: Kiki plays 70% of the time in right, a little bit in the infield, and hits ninth, giving the lineup two lead off hitters (R/L) after the first time through. Cora's intelligence hopefully overrules his loyalty. So who goes? Sadly, Christian Arroyo. He doesn't bring a skill that the other five don't already possess. Arroyo is not hitting. Kiki's infield defense is better or as good. Despite the heroic effort, Arroyo is no better than Duran in the outfield, certainly not close to Kiki or JBJ. If he could catch, he could bump Plawecki, but otherwise his best role is waiting in Worcester for someone to get injured. Arroyo is 'not hitting' on the surface, but the more predictive peripherals would indicate he is hitting much better than some others, but dealing with bad luck. xwOBA: Refsnyder - .497 (52 PA) Verdugo - .363 (303 PA) Arroyo - .350 (107 PA) Dalbec - .312 (209 PA) Kiké - .304 (238 PA) Bradley - .294 (235 PA) Barrel%: Refsnyder - 15.4% Arroyo - 12% Dalbec - 8.6% Kiké - 7.2% Verdugo - 6.7% Bradley - 5.3% Along with the career high 12% barrel rate, he also has a career best 16.3% strikeout rate. When you look at the brutal reverse-splits of .139/.179/.278 (despite having superior numbers vs lefties previously) and .205 BABIP (.273 career) it appears more obvious that his poor numbers are luck driven and not a result of any decline. If anything, he may be better this year than last, but he hasn't been able to show it yet in results. This easy answer is that you wait for career journeyman Refsnyder to cool off, but in the event that doesn't happen, you let him be the weakside platoon at 1B and option Dalbec. Dalbec has also been better than his numbers (another case of strange reverse-splits despite a partial platoon). This also keeps their assets in the case that Duran cools off, and we all know Dalbec could use more practice (not striking out) in AAA. Refsnyder's SSS stats at 2B have been brutal (not great at 1B either, but hopefully that's luck as well) and having Kiké as the only backup IF at 2B (assuming Story shifts to SS) isn't ideal - so Arroyo gives the team better depth and a bat that looks good but hasn't awoken yet.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 3, 2022 17:57:04 GMT -5
Maybe we should make a trade. This OF as a whole is pretty weak and not really World Series caliber. RF in particular.
Might not be a bad time to package Verdugo or someone else and make an upgrade.
We definitely should not be planning our OF around Kiké.
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