SoxProspects News
|
|
|
|
Legal
Forum Ground Rules
The views expressed by the members of this Forum do not necessarily reflect the views of SoxProspects, LLC.
© 2003-2024 SoxProspects, LLC
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Home | Search | My Profile | Messages | Members | Help |
Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
Red Sox Select Cutter Coffey, SS/3B, Liberty HS (CA)
|
Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2022 13:21:14 GMT -5
He was able to generate some buzz leading up to the draft, as reported by BA.
|
|
|
Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jul 18, 2022 13:50:20 GMT -5
Others may not see it but I think he could be the cream of this year's draft class I hope this kid isn't out getting roasted with the hoodlums, but our new scout Juan Valdez says he should brew up into a solid player and at least get a solid cup of err... Tea... In the majors.
|
|
|
Post by chr31ter on Jul 18, 2022 18:30:54 GMT -5
Cutter Coffey being interviewed on his hometown's local sports radio station indicated he would likely sign with the Red Sox.
|
|
|
Post by chr31ter on Jul 18, 2022 18:41:52 GMT -5
Red Sox scout Josh Labandeira being interviewed on the same station... dropped Troy Tulowitzki as a comp for Coffey. Says Coffey is very focused and works really hard. Team likes his power, and thinks he has a chance to be a great defensive player in the middle of the diamond.
|
|
|
Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 18, 2022 18:54:15 GMT -5
High praise 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
|
|
|
Post by chr31ter on Jul 18, 2022 20:44:46 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 18, 2022 23:16:39 GMT -5
In theory, a prospect who has, say, a 30% chance of panning out as a positional player, plus, condiftional on *not* panning out as a positional player, a 20% chance of panning out as a pitcher, would have a 44% chance of panning out overall, so you ought to prefer them to another prospect who has a 40% chance of panning out as a position player or pitcher but no chance to fall back on the other role. Those numbers are completely made up, obviously, but I wonder if something like that logic played into the selection?
ADD: Or a maybe less convoluted way to put it: you get two bites at the apple with one draft pick.
Trey Ball is checking your math. Michael Gettys on line 2 from Portland, where he has recently taken up residence...
|
|
jimoh
Veteran
Posts: 3,990
|
Post by jimoh on Jul 19, 2022 9:24:55 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by stevedillard on Jul 19, 2022 10:08:04 GMT -5
Leaving aside the prohibition on agreeing to deals before drafting the player, that's nice to hear.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 19, 2022 10:50:46 GMT -5
Did they mention the number yet?
|
|
|
Post by jodyreidnichols on Jul 20, 2022 19:59:59 GMT -5
So many SS I guess if you load up on a position that’s the one to do it with Well if I had to choose only one, it'd be pitcher but yeah I know what you mean. Especially for HS guys who sometimes end up there by default as the most athletic guys on their team. To your point, I believe Theo Epstein focused on SS too. I don't get how baseball fans don't get drafting multiple HS SS does not mean you are drafting redundant positional players. How does one not understand that precious few drafted as SS end up as SS? Because of the athleticism if they have the bat than they can learn to play another position if needed such as third, second or even OF albeit the skill set does not always translate to the OF as easily as the infield. Drafting wise it makes alot of sense.
|
|
|
Post by widewordofsport on Jul 20, 2022 20:06:25 GMT -5
Rafaela and Yorke were both SS, right? Im sure there are others. Duran was a 2B.
|
|
|
Post by homerdante on Jul 20, 2022 20:26:49 GMT -5
I remember reading that the rationale was very simple--take any young team at a low tier level; where do you put the most athletic person on the entire team? SS right, and CF? So it stands to reason SS or CF is always the most athletic and arguably best player on any given team. So granted, you're picking that position, but there's always going to be a filtering down affect as your funnel is inverted onto one top tier team. Only THE BEST SS is going to make the cut, and the rest of the big fish from their little ponds are going to adapt in around them.
I don't understand the hand wringing about so many SS this draft. There's a follow on argument that your SS will also be your most versatile players who will have the highest liklihood to switch to another position with relative ease, whereas it clearly does not work in reverse. Am I missing part of the SS from California outcry? Seems simple to me.
|
|
cdj
Veteran
Posts: 14,226
|
Post by cdj on Jul 20, 2022 20:37:10 GMT -5
For the record (in case these posts are directed at my initial post) I wasn’t hand-wringing and I’m aware SS often times move off the position and succeed elsewhere due to their inherent athleticism. There’s a billion examples of it. I merely mentioned that they were drafting a lot of SS and said that’s the position to load up on if there was one
|
|
|
Post by homerdante on Jul 20, 2022 20:40:23 GMT -5
For the record (in case these posts are directed at my initial post) I wasn’t hand-wringing and I’m aware SS often times move off the position and succeed elsewhere due to their inherent athleticism. There’s a billion examples of it. I merely mentioned that they were drafting a lot of SS and said that’s the position to load up on. Not directed at you CDJ, directed at a general sentiment the past several days at SS from CA as a running meme. There's very good reason behind it that seems as though it's being missed by maybe a new gen of Sox Prospects readers or something, what it is has been lost on me as an old reader of Sox Prospects even if rare poster. There are a TON of very good reasons for selecting SS, it seemed like a vibe was running the Daily Draft Threads that ignored this.
|
|
|
Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 20, 2022 21:24:03 GMT -5
Even at the lower levels, if you have a lot of them you can rotate multiple kids through SS while the others play 2B or CF or 3B on the days they don't play SS. When Story came to BOS, there was a lot of chatter that he had never played 2B but it soon came to light that he played some in the minors (as well 3B) because COL likes to move their IF prospects around a bit just to give them experience at different spots. Certainly worked out for Story's move to 2B this year.
|
|
keninten
Veteran
Posts: 685
Member is Online
|
Post by keninten on Jul 20, 2022 21:45:02 GMT -5
Rafaela and Yorke were both SS, right? Im sure there are others. Duran was a 2B. Pedroia
|
|
|
Post by bosoxnation on Jul 20, 2022 22:03:12 GMT -5
Well if I had to choose only one, it'd be pitcher but yeah I know what you mean. Especially for HS guys who sometimes end up there by default as the most athletic guys on their team. To your point, I believe Theo Epstein focused on SS too. I don't get how baseball fans don't get drafting multiple HS SS does not mean you are drafting redundant positional players. How does one not understand that precious few drafted as SS end up as SS? Because of the athleticism if they have the bat than they can learn to play another position if needed such as third, second or even OF albeit the skill set does not always translate to the OF as easily as the infield. Drafting wise it makes alot of sense. HS shortstops are 99% of the time the best athlete on the team. Theres been 10000s that moved to different positions. The only thing about drafting a bunch of good ones is deciding who to move and where and if they are going to be ok with it. Most of them take pride in staying at SS. Like X and it sounds like even Mikey Romero wants to stay there too from the interview i saw and him telling Mayer may the best man win.
|
|
cdj
Veteran
Posts: 14,226
|
Post by cdj on Jul 20, 2022 22:03:35 GMT -5
iirc even a guy like Cecchini was a HS SS
|
|
|
Post by ramireja on Jul 22, 2022 8:43:05 GMT -5
Here is my stock Tieran Alexander disclaimer: If you're familiar with Mason McRae, there is a similar baseball analytic hobbyist named Tieran Alexander who clearly did a ton of work in compiling some pre-draft reports on a large number of players (I think 500). I want to be really clear before people tear into me....I don't know much about this guy but I'm pretty comfortable guessing he's no baseball scout and I doubt he has any meaningful experience as a former player. He's just a stats guy but an obsessed one at that, apparently with lots of access to TrackMan data. So that said, I'd take any of his rankings, grades, and opinions with giant grains of salt. I'm going to share a number of reports from him though because there's a ton of data included in them that are hard, if not impossible, to find elsewhere. Here is his report on Coffey (ranked 103):
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 22, 2022 11:34:32 GMT -5
I like Cutter Coffey's profile a lot more than Jud Fabian's.
|
|
|