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Post by Jonathan Singer on Apr 9, 2013 19:23:49 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 14, 2013 12:07:36 GMT -5
Travis Shaw is quietly having a very nice start of the season. At which point is he a legit prospect?
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Post by chavopepe2 on Apr 14, 2013 12:09:39 GMT -5
He's ranked in the top 30 on this site. I'd say that is pretty legit.
...Though I will admit I didn't realize he was off to as good a start as he is.
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Post by jonasi on Apr 14, 2013 12:43:09 GMT -5
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Post by threeifbaerga on Apr 14, 2013 13:36:54 GMT -5
Not a great outing for Barnes. Third inning has gone single-single-sac-hbp-walk-single-walk-walk-yanked.
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 14, 2013 15:08:52 GMT -5
Keith Couch, on the other hand, had another nice outing in relief of Barnes. 4.2 IP and only 1 H and no runs.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 14, 2013 16:32:45 GMT -5
Kukuk pulled an Owens. He was cruising through 4 then lost it(Very similar to Owens who in context didn't actually lose it).
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 14, 2013 16:51:06 GMT -5
Keith Couch, on the other hand, had another nice outing in relief of Barnes. 4.2 IP and only 1 H and no runs. Is it too early to claim Couch is the better prospect? I think not. |
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Post by lennsakata on Apr 14, 2013 19:49:35 GMT -5
Keith Couch, on the other hand, had another nice outing in relief of Barnes. 4.2 IP and only 1 H and no runs. Is it too early to claim Couch is the better prospect? I think not. Kukuk is now up to 19 professional innings so yeah,he probably is what he is at this point. Mike Miller is off to a good start...small sample size, college kid in low-A aside. |
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Post by hammerhead on Apr 15, 2013 6:49:48 GMT -5
I think the poster was referring to Barnes Vs. Couch and I think it was only semi-serious.....
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 15, 2013 10:19:07 GMT -5
I think the poster was referring to Barnes Vs. Couch and I think it was only semi-serious..... I think he was completely serious... He's not, but Couch is underrated and could surprise. He was my preseason pick for biggest riser and someone to watch. Could be a legit mid-rotation guy in the majors. Barnes concerns me. I can't feel good about a guy until he performs at AA. Not down on him, I'm just not expecting what most everyone else here is until he does something at the upper levels. I realize they are 3-4, but I don't see an argument for Barnes listed ahead of Webster at this point in time. Maybe preseason when less was known about Webster, but not anymore. |
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Post by raftsox on Apr 15, 2013 12:10:24 GMT -5
Barnes concerns me. I can't feel good about a guy until he performs at AA. Not down on him, I'm just not expecting what most everyone else here is until he does something at the upper levels. I realize they are 3-4, but I don't see an argument for Barnes listed ahead of Webster at this point in time. Maybe preseason when less was known about Webster, but not anymore. There are two big questions with ranking Webster higher at this point in time. 1. Can he truly command all of his pitches? 2. Will he maintain it after ~80 pitches? - Last season a lot of the MiLB reviewers thought he was no better than a reliever because he couldn't maintain velocity or control late in games. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 15, 2013 15:46:36 GMT -5
Barnes concerns me. I can't feel good about a guy until he performs at AA. Not down on him, I'm just not expecting what most everyone else here is until he does something at the upper levels. I realize they are 3-4, but I don't see an argument for Barnes listed ahead of Webster at this point in time. Maybe preseason when less was known about Webster, but not anymore. It's early of course, but the thing that bugs me with Barnes is that he was never really THAT good in high-A, either. Everyone kind of wrote that off as fatigue (after like 60 innings, btw), but to see his struggles wrap around to the next season, it starts to raise some more red flags for me. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 16, 2013 7:43:35 GMT -5
Barnes concerns me. I can't feel good about a guy until he performs at AA. Not down on him, I'm just not expecting what most everyone else here is until he does something at the upper levels. I realize they are 3-4, but I don't see an argument for Barnes listed ahead of Webster at this point in time. Maybe preseason when less was known about Webster, but not anymore. There are two big questions with ranking Webster higher at this point in time. 1. Can he truly command all of his pitches? 2. Will he maintain it after ~80 pitches? - Last season a lot of the MiLB reviewers thought he was no better than a reliever because he couldn't maintain velocity or control late in games. Raft all legit questions, but aren't they irrelevant when comparing him to Barnes? This is simply a comparison of two pitchers/prospects. Both are good prospects and both have their questions. Webster seems to possess both the higher floor and ceiling right now plus he's further along. People are obsessed with Barnes fastball and maybe rightfully so. I hope he's simply being told to go out and throw change-ups and curves when he normally wouldn't be so his numbers don't matter. I don't believe this to be the case. He's trying o get outs and is struggling to do it. |
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