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8/19-8/21 Red Sox @ Orioles Series Thread
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Post by benzinger on Aug 21, 2022 21:46:01 GMT -5
It'd be fun to see Casas for the rest of the season but I am rooting for them to steal a year of service time. How much would he even play with Hosmer and Dalbec around? Not sure it makes sense. Redshirt him for that extra year of service time. Sounds good to me. Also, can’t they call him up this week and STILL have him be a rookie next year? Aren’t we at that cutoff point?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 21, 2022 21:52:34 GMT -5
So - tomorrow to shuffle the roster, perhaps???
Then 3 Toronto, 3 Tampa, 3 Minnesota (then 4 breathers against Texas) then Tampa, Baltimore, MFY (then 5 last Gimmes - maybe? - against KC and Cinn) - then...MFY, Baltimore, Toronto, Tampa. Wow.
Brutal rest of the season with only 9 "easy ones"
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 21, 2022 21:55:14 GMT -5
It'd be fun to see Casas for the rest of the season but I am rooting for them to steal a year of service time. How much would he even play with Hosmer and Dalbec around? Not sure it makes sense. Redshirt him for that extra year of service time. Sounds good to me. Also, can’t they call him up this week and STILL have him be a rookie next year? Aren’t we at that cutoff point? I'd give him tread over Dalbec for sure. Hosmer is meh. The only way I can see him getting playing time over Casas is if Bloom is trying to showcase him for a deal.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 21, 2022 21:57:54 GMT -5
It'd be fun to see Casas for the rest of the season but I am rooting for them to steal a year of service time. How much would he even play with Hosmer and Dalbec around? Not sure it makes sense. Redshirt him for that extra year of service time. Sounds good to me. Also, can’t they call him up this week and STILL have him be a rookie next year? Aren’t we at that cutoff point? Red Sox can call up Casas on Tuesday and preserve rookie status for pick purposes next year. I understand the service time argument, but I believe Casas will have a better season next year if he gets some MLB expirence this year.
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Post by benzinger on Aug 21, 2022 22:00:16 GMT -5
So - tomorrow to shuffle the roster, perhaps??? Then 3 Toronto, 3 Tampa, 3 Minnesota (then 4 breathers against Texas) then Tampa, Baltimore, MFY (then 5 last Gimmes - maybe? - against KC and Cinn) - then...MFY, Baltimore, Toronto, Tampa. Wow. Brutal rest of the season with only 9 "easy ones" KC just mopped the floor with the Sox a few weeks ago. NOTHING is a gimme with this team this year.
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 21, 2022 22:01:25 GMT -5
At this point I hope we play to knock the MFY from the division
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 21, 2022 22:09:57 GMT -5
hard to assess this team when so many are underperforming. I would not mind seeing far less Hosmer (not that we've seen much), JD, Plawecki, Bobby D, Duran, even Pham - would rather prep for the future and not just go through the motions...and I was super pro keeping Xander - now not so sure (not nearly the same as Mookie, whose loss still crushes me).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 21, 2022 22:17:16 GMT -5
Nice pitching by Wacha or otherwise they'd have gotten swept.
The Sox are basically playing out the string after gambling that a 35 percent chance of making the playoffs when one watching the team would conclude that the odds are much lower than that.
It seems to me that the Sox offense struggles to score because they don't hit homers, not surprising when Schwarber and Renfroe are dumped and X and JDM regress,
which they could survive if they had a lot if baserunners and could move them via speed and good situational hitting, but they don't because they dont draw walks or steal bases or run the bases well.
So it makes it really hard to have blowout victories so for the Sox to win they often find themselves in tight games over relying on Schreiber and Whitlock because Cora understandably doesn't trust the rest of the bullpen.
So Whitlock has to pitch multiple innings to get the save but he can't pitch consecutive days which puts additional burden on Schreiber who might be wearing out. Of course the bullpen was never really improved. While I guess you can't spend money on relief help, can't trade assets for bullpen help, and can't rely too heavily on the spaghetti against the wall strategy either, then you're left with a short bullpen that can't really protect leads in consecutive games with your short list of high leverage guys.
And they play bad team defense.
So that makes it a lot harder to expect to go on a sustained winning streak or stretch.
Itll be hard to climb over several teams and make up an increasing deficit based on the way they are.
So I'm under no illusion that they're in it this season.
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Post by manfred on Aug 21, 2022 22:18:13 GMT -5
hard to assess this team when so many are underperforming. I would not mind seeing far less Hosmer (not that we've seen much), JD, Plawecki, Bobby D, Duran, even Pham - would rather prep for the future and not just go through the motions...and I was super pro keeping Xander - now not so sure (not nearly the same as Mookie, whose loss still crushes me). If you sit those guys who do you play?
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Post by manfred on Aug 21, 2022 22:20:40 GMT -5
Benny with a game winner tonight.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 21, 2022 22:32:24 GMT -5
hard to assess this team when so many are underperforming. I would not mind seeing far less Hosmer (not that we've seen much), JD, Plawecki, Bobby D, Duran, even Pham - would rather prep for the future and not just go through the motions...and I was super pro keeping Xander - now not so sure (not nearly the same as Mookie, whose loss still crushes me). If you sit those guys who do you play? No idea - have a fire sale - bring up Woo players. Just not interested in seeing them play any more. Our team is imitating a Dollar Store team in talent (in part), and performance (big time).
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 21, 2022 22:42:01 GMT -5
Benny with a game winner tonight. His first HR with the Yankees and was batting under .200 for them.
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Post by kingstephanos on Aug 21, 2022 23:26:08 GMT -5
Nice pitching by Wacha or otherwise they'd have gotten swept. The Sox are basically playing out the string after gambling that a 35 percent chance of making the playoffs when one watching the team would conclude that the odds are much lower than that. It seems to me that the Sox offense struggles to score because they don't hit homers, not surprising when Schwarber and Renfroe are dumped and X and JDM regress, which they could survive if they had a lot if baserunners and could move them via speed and good situational hitting, but they don't because they dont draw walks or steal bases or run the bases well. So it makes it really hard to have blowout victories so for the Sox to win they did themselves in tight games over relying on Schreiber and Whitlock because Cora understandably doesn't trust the rest of the bullpen. So Whitlock has to pitch multiple innings to get the save but he can't pitch consecutive days which puts additional burden on Schreiber who might be wearing out. Of course the bullpen was never really improved. While I guess you can't spend money on relief help, can't trade assets for bullpen help, and can't rely too heavily on the spaghetti against the wall strategy either, then you're left with a short bullpen that can't really protect leads in consecutive games with your short list of high leverage guys. And they play bad team defense. So that makes it a lot harder to expect to go on a sustained winning streak or stretch. Itll be hard to climb over several teams and make up an increasing deficit based on the way they are. So I'm under no illusion that they're in it this season. I agree with you up until you seem to let Cora off the hook for his blunders with lineup contruction, bullpen management (overuse and "gut" calls), and outfielder usage (Duran in CF to their detriment etc). Cora is better than average, by far. But infallible and ahead of the curve he is not, unfortunately. One championship can give a person tons of leeway, though some of his in-game mechinations put the team behind the eight ball, imo.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 21, 2022 23:30:38 GMT -5
Nice pitching by Wacha or otherwise they'd have gotten swept. The Sox are basically playing out the string after gambling that a 35 percent chance of making the playoffs when one watching the team would conclude that the odds are much lower than that. It seems to me that the Sox offense struggles to score because they don't hit homers, not surprising when Schwarber and Renfroe are dumped and X and JDM regress, which they could survive if they had a lot if baserunners and could move them via speed and good situational hitting, but they don't because they dont draw walks or steal bases or run the bases well. So it makes it really hard to have blowout victories so for the Sox to win they did themselves in tight games over relying on Schreiber and Whitlock because Cora understandably doesn't trust the rest of the bullpen. So Whitlock has to pitch multiple innings to get the save but he can't pitch consecutive days which puts additional burden on Schreiber who might be wearing out. Of course the bullpen was never really improved. While I guess you can't spend money on relief help, can't trade assets for bullpen help, and can't rely too heavily on the spaghetti against the wall strategy either, then you're left with a short bullpen that can't really protect leads in consecutive games with your short list of high leverage guys. And they play bad team defense. So that makes it a lot harder to expect to go on a sustained winning streak or stretch. Itll be hard to climb over several teams and make up an increasing deficit based on the way they are. So I'm under no illusion that they're in it this season. I agree with you up until you seem to let Cora off the hook for his blunders with lineup contruction, bullpen management (overuse and "gut" calls), and outfielder usage (Duran in CF to their detriment etc). Cora is better than average, by far. But infallible and ahead of the curve he is not, unfortunately. One championship can give a person tons of leeway, though some of his in-game mechinations put the team behind the eight ball, imo. Cora is literally managing this season with both hands tied behind his back. No sale for the entire season. We had a month where our entire rotation from ST was injured thus needed to use a rotation full of rookies (many of whom would not have been called up because they were not ready) No kiké for like the entire season Story has been out for a while JDM/Xander hitting like crapola for most of the season. I dont think there is a manager who would have this team in the WC standings right now.
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 21, 2022 23:45:29 GMT -5
I agree with you up until you seem to let Cora off the hook for his blunders with lineup contruction, bullpen management (overuse and "gut" calls), and outfielder usage (Duran in CF to their detriment etc). Cora is better than average, by far. But infallible and ahead of the curve he is not, unfortunately. One championship can give a person tons of leeway, though some of his in-game mechinations put the team behind the eight ball, imo. Cora is literally managing this season with both hands tied behind his back. No sale for the entire season. We had a month where our entire rotation from ST was injured thus needed to use a rotation full of rookies (many of whom would not have been called up because they were not ready) No kiké for like the entire season Story has been out for a while JDM/Xander hitting like crapola for most of the season. I dont think there is a manager who would have this team in the WC standings right now. Yeah and just remember the John Farrell days…yuck
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 22, 2022 0:04:51 GMT -5
Nice pitching by Wacha or otherwise they'd have gotten swept. The Sox are basically playing out the string after gambling that a 35 percent chance of making the playoffs when one watching the team would conclude that the odds are much lower than that. It seems to me that the Sox offense struggles to score because they don't hit homers, not surprising when Schwarber and Renfroe are dumped and X and JDM regress, which they could survive if they had a lot if baserunners and could move them via speed and good situational hitting, but they don't because they dont draw walks or steal bases or run the bases well. So it makes it really hard to have blowout victories so for the Sox to win they did themselves in tight games over relying on Schreiber and Whitlock because Cora understandably doesn't trust the rest of the bullpen. So Whitlock has to pitch multiple innings to get the save but he can't pitch consecutive days which puts additional burden on Schreiber who might be wearing out. Of course the bullpen was never really improved. While I guess you can't spend money on relief help, can't trade assets for bullpen help, and can't rely too heavily on the spaghetti against the wall strategy either, then you're left with a short bullpen that can't really protect leads in consecutive games with your short list of high leverage guys. And they play bad team defense. So that makes it a lot harder to expect to go on a sustained winning streak or stretch. Itll be hard to climb over several teams and make up an increasing deficit based on the way they are. So I'm under no illusion that they're in it this season. I agree with you up until you seem to let Cora off the hook for his blunders with lineup contruction, bullpen management (overuse and "gut" calls), and outfielder usage (Duran in CF to their detriment etc). Cora is better than average, by far. But infallible and ahead of the curve he is not, unfortunately. One championship can give a person tons of leeway, though some of his in-game mechinations put the team behind the eight ball, imo. You're right. I don't like how Cora has handled the pitching staff. A lot of his decisions have been head scratching. I just wonder how much is on him and how much of it is that he doesn't have a functional roster he can trust. Neither Bloom or Cora have impressed this season. But you're right, when you're not being properly managed and have a dysfunctional roster, it does make it all the more difficult to win games.
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 22, 2022 0:45:49 GMT -5
This season was basically a throw away from day 1. Way to many core players on the last year of their deals. It would of been ok if we didn’t start out so bad and then get injuries non stop. All that did was make them possible trade chips and press press press. Seems like nobody is really having fun out there. Sucks to watch.
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Post by kingstephanos on Aug 22, 2022 0:52:50 GMT -5
I agree with you up until you seem to let Cora off the hook for his blunders with lineup contruction, bullpen management (overuse and "gut" calls), and outfielder usage (Duran in CF to their detriment etc). Cora is better than average, by far. But infallible and ahead of the curve he is not, unfortunately. One championship can give a person tons of leeway, though some of his in-game mechinations put the team behind the eight ball, imo. Cora is literally managing this season with both hands tied behind his back. No sale for the entire season. We had a month where our entire rotation from ST was injured thus needed to use a rotation full of rookies (many of whom would not have been called up because they were not ready) No kiké for like the entire season Story has been out for a while JDM/Xander hitting like crapola for most of the season. I dont think there is a manager who would have this team in the WC standings right now. Uhm, I see your points - they're valid. But the contrarian in me can't agree to an "unknown known" statement of 'no other manager could have this team in the Wild Card' (paraphrased). This paraphrased statement is somewhat of a misdirect as the team was leading the WC not too long ago. We all have players/coaches/managers that we like, we all get that. But if another guy (without his history in Boston) made the same headscratching decisions on a regular basis - and when questioned by the media says something to the effect of "manager's decision" - he would get ridden out on a rail via fan acrimony and media protest. My main point is to highlight the cognitive dissonance of pillorying the General Manager, while at the same time ignoring the detriments of the on-field manager. Getting the best out of the players is the manager's domain. Putting players in the best positions to succeed is the managers domain. To play the devil's advocate here, Grady Little got axed for committing fewer blunders than what Cora has done this season. Though that was one big mistake in 2003.
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Post by keninten on Aug 22, 2022 6:33:42 GMT -5
There`s a Chaim thread, when will the Cora thread start?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 22, 2022 8:55:33 GMT -5
Cora is literally managing this season with both hands tied behind his back. No sale for the entire season. We had a month where our entire rotation from ST was injured thus needed to use a rotation full of rookies (many of whom would not have been called up because they were not ready) No kiké for like the entire season Story has been out for a while JDM/Xander hitting like crapola for most of the season. I dont think there is a manager who would have this team in the WC standings right now. Uhm, I see your points - they're valid. But the contrarian in me can't agree to an "unknown known" statement of 'no other manager could have this team in the Wild Card' (paraphrased). This paraphrased statement is somewhat of a misdirect as the team was leading the WC not too long ago. We all have players/coaches/managers that we like, we all get that. But if another guy (without his history in Boston) made the same headscratching decisions on a regular basis - and when questioned by the media says something to the effect of "manager's decision" - he would get ridden out on a rail via fan acrimony and media protest. My main point is to highlight the cognitive dissonance of pillorying the General Manager, while at the same time ignoring the detriments of the on-field manager. Getting the best out of the players is the manager's domain. Putting players in the best positions to succeed is the managers domain. To play the devil's advocate here, Grady Little got axed for committing fewer blunders than what Cora has done this season. Though that was one big mistake in 2003. What Cora's responsibilities are, I believe - having the team mentally well prepared for the season - I don't feel the Sox came out of spring training particularly sharp Focus on fundamentals - defense, baserunning, situational hitting. The team has been relatively poor in these areas (at least from the eye test) In-game mgt, handling pitching staff - there are head scratchers in this area - all season. So - sure, injuries, COVID, etc - but I don't think Cora got the best of this particular team this year. This seems a pattern - he comes in and exceeds expectations the first year, and falls off the second year. Too much of a "players manager"? Even given all of this, I don't want to see Cora depart. It's just been a crappy year all around.
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Post by manfred on Aug 22, 2022 9:36:19 GMT -5
I get the frustration with X, especially of late, but I don’t get why he is public enemy #1. JDM has been far worse… X is 4 bWAR, JDM .8! And JDM is a DH! He is paid to hit… and doesn’t. X has fielded well, at least.
This not to mention Verdugo, who hits for no power either, and then the rest of the team (not Devers) who barely hit anything at all.
It maybe that the pressure of being on a generally poor team has gotten to X.
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Post by cdj on Aug 22, 2022 10:44:02 GMT -5
I get the frustration with X, especially of late, but I don’t get why he is public enemy #1. JDM has been far worse… X is 4 bWAR, JDM .8! And JDM is a DH! He is paid to hit… and doesn’t. X has fielded well, at least. This not to mention Verdugo, who hits for no power either, and then the rest of the team (not Devers) who barely hit anything at all. It maybe that the pressure of being on a generally poor team has gotten to X. He’s been on way worse teams and has been a far better run producer on them I’m willing to buy an injury explanation but if there’s no injury then that’s a scary decline in pop (not to mention he’s the anti-clutch king this year) Nice to see the homer last night, hopefully he can hit a bunch of them coming up and alleviate any concerns there
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Post by mobaz on Aug 22, 2022 10:44:25 GMT -5
So much has been so hit or miss. Cora pushed X and Devers to be more consistent defensively and they have, but so many other fundamentals have fallen around them, on the field and the basepaths.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 22, 2022 14:31:02 GMT -5
Damn! Mr "Hodgepodge Of Nothingness" is back.
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 22, 2022 17:55:56 GMT -5
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