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Post by vmoss on Aug 25, 2022 20:13:44 GMT -5
How many more innings can Bello pitch this year and still qualify as a 2023 start roster player and get possible extra pick?
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Post by iliketacos on Aug 25, 2022 22:27:03 GMT -5
I believe it's 50 innings total, which would leave him 28 more innings.
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Post by bosox904 on Aug 25, 2022 23:10:59 GMT -5
His service time is just as important, which he should surpass that. Which I believe with his IL stint, he's at 31 days(unless it was retroactive), which means if he's on the roster 14 more days he's no longer eligible.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 26, 2022 2:50:38 GMT -5
His service time is just as important, which he should surpass that. Which I believe with his IL stint, he's at 31 days(unless it was retroactive), which means if he's on the roster 14 more days he's no longer eligible. Service time for rookie status is on the active roster, and furthermore, 9/1 and later doesn't count. He'll end up with 26 days against rookie status.
He's not going to pitch 28 innings in the last 35 games. I suspect he'll make a couple of more starts and then they'll see what he looks like as a reliever.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Aug 26, 2022 5:35:35 GMT -5
I think they dropped the rule about service time after 9/1
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Post by vmoss on Aug 26, 2022 8:31:32 GMT -5
Thanks for responses. What are the possible extra picks? Do you think he might have a good chance of hitting them?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 26, 2022 8:43:50 GMT -5
He's likely going to exhaust his rookie eligibility this year so he'd need to be top 3 (I think - they haven't released the CBA yet) in the Cy Young or MVP voting at some point.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 26, 2022 11:00:41 GMT -5
I’m really liking this kid.
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Post by vmoss on Aug 26, 2022 12:22:13 GMT -5
He's likely going to exhaust his rookie eligibility this year so he'd need to be top 3 (I think - they haven't released the CBA yet) in the Cy Young or MVP voting at some point. Is the rookie eligibility 50 innings. If so, would/ should the Sox hold him under that? Thanks. |
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Post by badfishnbc on Aug 26, 2022 13:36:14 GMT -5
Sorry - I've been around this forum for a very long time and I have *zero* clue what this conversation is about. Why would there be an extra pick awarded and what does Bello have to do with it??
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Post by vmoss on Aug 26, 2022 13:49:21 GMT -5
With new CBA (which seems to be tough to get all details of) there is a clause to encxourge teams to start top prospects in major at start of year. Hope this helps. I am sure other will be able to give a more detailed and clearer explanation.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 26, 2022 16:06:33 GMT -5
He's likely going to exhaust his rookie eligibility this year so he'd need to be top 3 (I think - they haven't released the CBA yet) in the Cy Young or MVP voting at some point. Is the rookie eligibility 50 innings. If so, would/ should the Sox hold him under that? Thanks. He's going to pass 45 days of service time unless he gets sent down immediately after his next start, I think. He gets service time while on the MLB IL. |
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Post by Mike Andrews on Aug 26, 2022 16:46:40 GMT -5
The rookie eligibility rule is specific to active service time, excluding time on the IL
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Post by mobaz on Aug 26, 2022 17:12:45 GMT -5
I find myself only more confused since the start of this discussion!
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Post by bosox904 on Aug 26, 2022 17:41:51 GMT -5
The rookie eligibility rule is specific to active service time, excluding time on the IL I went and looked at the info on it. Service time can still play a role. They have to be rookie eligible and less than 60 or fewer for service time. "PROSPECT PROMOTION INCENTIVE A team is eligible for Prospect Promotion Incentive (PPI) draft picks if a rookie-eligible player with 60 days or fewer of major league service who is included on a preseason top 100 prospect list by two or more of Baseball America, ESPN.com or MLB.com is promoted and finishes high in award voting in any year before he is eligible for arbitration. The team would get an amateur draft pick for a Rookie of the Year or a top three in MVP or Cy Young, and an international selection if second or third in Rookie of the Year, or fourth or fifth in Cy Young. A team can gain at most one PPI pick in the amateur draft and three total PPI picks for any individual prospect in his career" www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2022/03/10/major-league-baseball-labor-agreement-details/49919225/ |
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Post by vmoss on Aug 27, 2022 7:38:43 GMT -5
So if they count the IL time, how many days does he have left? Since there are 3 possible picks involved, are the Sox likely to shut him down?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 27, 2022 9:56:58 GMT -5
So, I have no idea what's going on, but based on the conversation he would need to be in the running for Cy Young and/or MVP and RoY? If so, isn't that more incentive to shut him down and keep his eligibility for 2023?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 27, 2022 13:13:35 GMT -5
They have to be rookie eligible and less than 60 or fewer for service time. Which is the part that doesn't make sense given that you lose rookie eligibility after 45 days. We just need the damn CBA! |
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Post by bosox904 on Aug 27, 2022 20:31:36 GMT -5
They have to be rookie eligible and less than 60 or fewer for service time. Which is the part that doesn't make sense given that you lose rookie eligibility after 45 days. We just need the damn CBA! According to mlbs site, time on the IL doesn't count towards rookie eligibility, but I'm guessing still counts as service time. So theoretically, a player can accrue 54 days of service time, but if they spent 10 days of that on the IL they're still rookie eligible. "A player shall be considered a rookie unless he has exceeded any of the following thresholds in a previous season (or seasons):,130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues.,45 total days on an active Major League roster during the Championship Season (excluding time on the Injured List)." www.mlb.com/glossary/rules/rookie-eligibility |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 27, 2022 20:45:38 GMT -5
Well I'll be damned. Didn't know that. Makes perfect sense. (And apparently missed Mike's post about it above. Yikes.)
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