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9/5-9/7 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 1, 2022 9:06:53 GMT -5
9/5 Red Sox (RHP Michael Wacha, 10-1, 2.56, 95.0 IP, 76K:26BB) @ Rays (RHP Luis Patino, 1-1, 3.59, 13.2 IP, 7K:6BB) 4:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 9/6 Red Sox (LHP Rich Hill, 6-5, 4.52, 93.2 IP, 76K:29BB) @ Rays (RHP Drew Rasmussen, 9-4, 2.70, 116.2 IP, 103K:27BB) 6:40 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 9/7 Red Sox (TBD) @ Rays (LHP Jeffrey Springs, 7-4, 2.62, 106.2 IP, 117K:26BB) 6:40 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2022: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by keninten on Sept 5, 2022 0:15:39 GMT -5
Tough series to watch. Really want to see TB take over 1st place.
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Post by cdj on Sept 5, 2022 0:29:31 GMT -5
Patino made it back, go figure
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 5, 2022 8:14:35 GMT -5
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Post by bigmarty58 on Sept 5, 2022 9:10:12 GMT -5
I like the 6:40 start times, makes it easier to watch the whole game and hit the sack a little earlier...
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 5, 2022 9:23:16 GMT -5
Six wins in a row coming tonight!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 5, 2022 9:56:26 GMT -5
Now we reach the conflicted types of games. I never root against the Sox - never. Yet...if Tampa caught the MFY, it would be so sweet.
Our playoff odds are "up to" 1.8% to 2%.
Wacha pitching - hoping to see Casas, Wong and Arroyo in the line up (somehow).
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 5, 2022 9:58:56 GMT -5
John Schreiber now leads the team in pitching WAR, as most of us predicted in spring training.
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Post by cdj on Sept 5, 2022 10:07:54 GMT -5
John Schreiber now leads the team in pitching WAR, as most of us predicted in spring training. Wacha? edit: Ah it appears bWAR and fWAR are very different when it comes to him |
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Post by cdj on Sept 5, 2022 10:30:28 GMT -5
Rays DFA’d Wisler to make room for Patino, so no slider-baller anymore
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 5, 2022 10:51:54 GMT -5
What would happen if Chaim Bloom had an offer to trade our own Blake Snell for Luis Patino, Francisco Meija, Cole Wilcox and Blake Hunt as Boston Red Sox GM?
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Post by cheers on Sept 5, 2022 10:55:10 GMT -5
Rays DFA’d Wisler to make room for Patino, so no slider-baller anymore You don't see a dude that has been as effective as Wisler has been in 2022 get DFA'd very often. Speaks to the strength of the Rays pitching. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 5, 2022 11:49:55 GMT -5
Ugh, Franchy and Plawecki, no Wong or Arroyo
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Post by cdj on Sept 5, 2022 12:10:20 GMT -5
Ugh, Franchy and Plawecki, no Wong or Arroyo Arroyo isn’t an OF. Franchy is playing LF I’d prefer Wacha throw to Wong if we have plans of bringing Wacha back- I know he likes throwing to Plawecki but it would be nice to build chemistry up with Wong |
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Post by cdj on Sept 5, 2022 12:11:24 GMT -5
Rays DFA’d Wisler to make room for Patino, so no slider-baller anymore You don't see a dude that has been as effective as Wisler has been in 2022 get DFA'd very often. Speaks to the strength of the Rays pitching. Strikeout rate kinda fell off a cliff, they probably view him as getting lucky this season |
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Post by incandenza on Sept 5, 2022 12:15:52 GMT -5
John Schreiber now leads the team in pitching WAR, as most of us predicted in spring training. The Red Sox spent $11.3 million on Barnes, Diekman, and Schreiber, and with 27 games to go they've collectively put up 1.3 WAR. Pretty much right on target! |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 5, 2022 12:30:29 GMT -5
Ugh, Franchy and Plawecki, no Wong or Arroyo Arroyo isn’t an OF. Franchy is playing LF I’d prefer Wacha throw to Wong if we have plans of bringing Wacha back- I know he likes throwing to Plawecki but it would be nice to build chemistry up with Wong Use him as a DH then. I'm done with JD. I'm ready for them to play for next year. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 5, 2022 13:01:35 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't care if the Sox get swept. I'd like to see TB pressure the Yankees, not that it really matters a heckuva lot. They all go to the playoffs anyways.
Maybe it would be fine for the Sox, if for nothing else, to simply rest John Schreiber. I'd like him to be fresh next year. Right now I'd like him to be their closer for next year. No sense burning him out.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 5, 2022 14:13:59 GMT -5
John Schreiber now leads the team in pitching WAR, as most of us predicted in spring training. Wacha? edit: Ah it appears bWAR and fWAR are very different when it comes to him Which kind of belies the problems with pitching WAR. Fangraphs bases it on FIP whereas BRef bases it on RA/9. Latter is more impacted by, say, team defense, whereas former doesn't really account for how many runs the pitcher actually kept off the board. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 5, 2022 14:31:49 GMT -5
John Schreiber now leads the team in pitching WAR, as most of us predicted in spring training. The Red Sox spent $11.3 million on Barnes, Diekman, and Schreiber, and with 27 games to go they've collectively put up 1.3 WAR. Pretty much right on target! not sure about that. that is pretty heavily tied to Schreiber, which isn't necessarily optimal. Maybe that is what you are saying ?  |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 5, 2022 14:32:52 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't care if the Sox get swept. I'd like to see TB pressure the Yankees, not that it really matters a heckuva lot. They all go to the playoffs anyways. Maybe it would be fine for the Sox, if for nothing else, to simply rest John Schreiber. I'd like him to be fresh next year. Right now I'd like him to be their closer for next year. No sense burning him out. Come on Champs...we want you on that wall....we need you on that wall. LOL. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 5, 2022 14:43:08 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't care if the Sox get swept. I'd like to see TB pressure the Yankees, not that it really matters a heckuva lot. They all go to the playoffs anyways. Maybe it would be fine for the Sox, if for nothing else, to simply rest John Schreiber. I'd like him to be fresh next year. Right now I'd like him to be their closer for next year. No sense burning him out. Come on Champs...we want you on that wall....we need you on that wall. LOL. Haha. It's been a strange season for me. I kind of became apathetic to the Sox at some point in July. I just got the sense it was a nowhere year. 2021 was a different animal for me. The losses last July and August drove me nuts because of how special the season had felt up to that point. I was aggravated but couldn't give up emotionally on them, at least until I thought that they were in trouble when Laz Diaz failed to ring up Jason Castro. At that point I got the sense that they got as far as they could possibly go. I felt the losses hard but enjoyed the wins very much, none more than that playoff win that eliminated the Yankees. This year, though, I thought they were in good shape when they shook off a bad start and the rest of the league didn't look intimidating, but I didn't think Seattle and Baltimore would be as good as they'd become and it became obvious to me that it was going to be an injury riddled season for a team that just didn't have it. I think a lot of the offseason stuff kind of didn't do much to stoke my enthusiam for the season. So I guess what I'm saying is that the losses haven't bothered me much and the wins haven't exactly inspired me, so I'm just looking at individual things here and there. I was excited to see Casas come up. I'm curious to see what becomes of Bello. I've enjoyed watching Schreiber although I worry about him getting overused. I wonder how the X and soon-to-be Devers' saga plays out. I still hope that Eovaldi returns - perhaps I'm in the minority there. I'm curious about what the Sox got from Houston in the Vazquez deal. But as far as if they win or not, I don't care. If they're going to finish last, then maybe they can win 82 games and become the first last place team to ever have a winning record. I think the Angels went 81-81 in 1991 and finished last in a 7 team division, which is really impressive. The Sox are only in a 5 team division. If they fail to do that, then the Sox will probably finish with their old standby losing season record, which seems to be 78-84. They had that record in 1983, 1987, 1997, and 2015. I think they've had 8 full season losing seasons (Excluding 1994 and 2020) since I've been watching (1980) and half of those seasons wound up 78-84. |
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Post by incandenza on Sept 5, 2022 14:49:36 GMT -5
The Red Sox spent $11.3 million on Barnes, Diekman, and Schreiber, and with 27 games to go they've collectively put up 1.3 WAR. Pretty much right on target! not sure about that. that is pretty heavily tied to Schreiber, which isn't necessarily optimal. Maybe that is what you are saying ? Yep, that's the joke.
The serious point beneath the joke is that it is almost never a good idea to spend big on relievers. (I mean, they didn't even spend "big" on Diekman, but still.) To a first approximation, all relievers are at roughly the same level of "not quite good enough to be major league starters," and while some of them go on nice 100 IP runs to get the reputation of "Proven Closers," it is so rarely predictive as to not be worth spending big money on.
ADD: Current ERAs among relievers signed prior to 2022 for $8 million+ AAV:
Jansen: 3.75 Iglesias: 3.17 Kelly: 7.45 Neris: 3.36 Loup: 3.99
Graveman: 2.59
Average: 4.05
If these 6 guys were their own bullpen they'd rank between the 19th and 20th best bullpen in the majors.
If you take out Joe Kelly, the other 5 guys average 3.37. Matt Strahm, signed for $3 million, is as 3.38.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 5, 2022 15:13:23 GMT -5
not sure about that. that is pretty heavily tied to Schreiber, which isn't necessarily optimal. Maybe that is what you are saying ? Yep, that's the joke.
The serious point beneath the joke is that it is almost never a good idea to spend big on relievers. (I mean, they didn't even spend "big" on Diekman, but still.) To a first approximation, all relievers are at roughly the same level of "not quite good enough to be major league starters," and while some of them go on nice 100 IP runs to get the reputation of "Proven Closers," it is so rarely predictive as to not be worth spending big money on.
ADD: Current ERAs among relievers signed prior to 2022 for $8 million+ AAV:
Jansen: 3.75 Iglesias: 3.17 Kelly: 7.45 Neris: 3.36 Loup: 3.99
Graveman: 2.59
Average: 4.05
If these 6 guys were their own bullpen they'd rank between the 19th and 20th best bullpen in the majors.
If you take out Joe Kelly, the other 5 guys average 3.37. Matt Strahm, signed for $3 million, is as 3.38.
you forgot Barnes.....5.75 ! how could you do that ? LOL. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 5, 2022 15:14:30 GMT -5
VerduGod !!
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