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Post by threeifbaerga on Apr 16, 2013 16:52:47 GMT -5
I was never upset at the idea of trading Aviles for Farrell but I also never believed he'd magically fix out pitching staff either. Except for Bard he's turning me into a believer. Let's give Juan Nieves some credit here too. Personally I'm also loving the quicker tempo Lester and Buchholz seem to have adopted. And it seemed like Buchholz was throwing to first less as well.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 16, 2013 16:53:25 GMT -5
It's worth noting that none of these statistical performances would be considered very meaningful if they happened in the first two weeks of August instead of the first two weeks of April. We really don't know anything yet, although I'm willing to make an exception for Bradley.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 16, 2013 16:55:10 GMT -5
I was never upset at the idea of trading Aviles for Farrell but I also never believed he'd magically fix out pitching staff either. Except for Bard he's turning me into a believer. Let's give Juan Nieves some credit here too. Personally I'm also loving the quicker tempo Lester and Buchholz seem to have adopted. And it seemed like Buchholz was throwing to first less as well. Fewer people on base?...But I know what you are saying and I think that it is true.
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Post by mredsox89 on Apr 16, 2013 17:04:25 GMT -5
Lester went all of 2012 without going three consecutive starts allowing 2 or fewer runs. Had a stretch of 5 outings in Aug/Sep of 2011. So yes, it's certainly a SSS. But when he went an entire season without a stretch like this, I think it's more than plausible that he's a significantly improved SP from 2012.
Clay was dominant over stretches last year, surrounded by complete crap and a 6+ ERA. 3 ER over 24 innings in June, and 8 ER over 39 innings in July/Aug
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Post by threeifbaerga on Apr 16, 2013 17:43:15 GMT -5
Fewer people on base?...But I know what you are saying and I think that it is true. I was thinking the same thing. He's had 21 base runners in 22 innings, so that may be the case. I recall him throwing to first three times in before throwing a pitch once and worried he was falling back in to that, but that's when I really started trying to pay attention to it and it didn't seem bad.
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Post by mredsox89 on Apr 16, 2013 18:38:09 GMT -5
It's much more fun when the Sox knock around mediocre SPs unlike last year where seemingly they would give a quality start to everyone
Jimenez is truly terrible. He someone manages to be worse than expected, even though we know he's awful
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Post by bjb406 on Apr 16, 2013 18:40:40 GMT -5
anyone remember when people thought Ubaldo Jimenez was a good starting pitcher?
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Post by bluechip on Apr 16, 2013 18:41:46 GMT -5
It's much more fun when the Sox knock around mediocre SPs unlike last year where seemingly they would give a quality start to everyone It is nice to see the bases loaded and runs scoring early in the game after the mediocre showings against the (admittedly talented) Baltimore and Tampa rotations.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 16, 2013 18:43:10 GMT -5
anyone remember when people thought Ubaldo Jimenez was a good starting pitcher? Coors Field affect?
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Post by atzar on Apr 16, 2013 18:44:51 GMT -5
Ubaldo's star has fallen to say the least.
Also, did anybody else see Gomes high-five the umpire when he scored? Does that happen often?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 16, 2013 18:44:55 GMT -5
anyone remember when people thought Ubaldo Jimenez was a good starting pitcher? Remember when people thought the Cleveland Indians were a good organization?
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Post by sammo420 on Apr 16, 2013 18:46:12 GMT -5
When he started walking everything in site they should've thrown Ciriaco up there. Sort of an irresistible force vs. an immovable object.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 16, 2013 18:48:33 GMT -5
Napoli is starting to crush the ball.
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Post by mredsox89 on Apr 16, 2013 18:49:14 GMT -5
So I guess at least for the time being, Napoli is looking pretty good and doesn't seem to be hurt. His "downside" was always in the long term, so I don't think it's all that surprising
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Apr 16, 2013 18:49:50 GMT -5
Ubaldo is brutal. I wonder if he has any options left so he can get sent down.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 16, 2013 18:49:50 GMT -5
anyone remember when people thought Ubaldo Jimenez was a good starting pitcher? Remember when people thought the Cleveland Indians were a good organization? Remember when people thought we had a bad offseason?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 16, 2013 18:50:34 GMT -5
He's just not the same pitcher. The delivery is different, the fastball is down 3-4 mph. Just not the same guy.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 16, 2013 18:57:16 GMT -5
Remember when people thought we had a bad offseason? Speaking as someone who actually liked their offseason, I think people are starting to seriously overrate this team based on a couple good weeks.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 16, 2013 19:00:32 GMT -5
Remember when people thought we had a bad offseason? Speaking as someone who actually liked their offseason, I think people are starting to seriously overrate this team based on a couple good weeks. Probably true. But I do think they're good for at least 85 wins. It's very early, and injuries could hurt them as has happened for a few years now. For now the pitching looks OK. Maybe the hitting will be there also.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Apr 16, 2013 19:14:21 GMT -5
Jonny Gomez isn't built like a baseball player.
He's built like Patrick Willis.
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Post by ray88h66 on Apr 16, 2013 19:20:53 GMT -5
When he started walking everything in site they should've thrown Ciriaco up there. Sort of an irresistible force vs. an immovable object. I wouldn't be surprised if Ciriaco swung on a pick off throw to first.
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Post by jdb on Apr 16, 2013 19:20:57 GMT -5
anyone remember when people thought Ubaldo Jimenez was a good starting pitcher? Do I? Toy Story 3 was the top movie and gas only cost $2.80
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Post by threeifbaerga on Apr 16, 2013 19:33:13 GMT -5
I've followed Doubront since the very beginning of his career in this system, and the knock had always been that he didn't have the stuff to strike out MLB hitters. Yet this year and last that's been just about the one thing he has done reliably.
I suppose the easy answer is that his stuff has improved, but it doesn't seem like his velocity has been the thing to improve, can anyone who saw him in the minors point me to a pitch in particular that has improved?
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 16, 2013 19:33:13 GMT -5
Remember when people thought we had a bad offseason? Speaking as someone who actually liked their offseason, I think people are starting to seriously overrate this team based on a couple good weeks. Don't get me wrong, this team is still no contender. But I liked most of the moves BC made in the past offseason, I didn't get why so many people (even outside of this board) hated most of them.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 16, 2013 19:43:23 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, this team is still no contender. But I liked most of the moves BC made in the past offseason, I didn't get why so many people (even outside of this board) hated most of them.They spent a lot of money on the players you're traditionally not supposed to spend money on: mid-tier, not-young free agents. The counterpoint is that, for all the cash they threw around, they A) didn't take on any long term commitments and B) didn't give up a draft pick. IMO what I think we saw was a compromise between fielding a reasonably marketable team while not mortgaging the future.
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