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Post by station13 on Apr 17, 2013 6:55:54 GMT -5
Watching Doubront is nauseating last night. Slow pace, deep counts, etc. He has to improve.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Apr 17, 2013 7:04:41 GMT -5
Watching Doubront is nauseating last night. Slow pace, deep counts, etc. He has to improve. That's where I hope Farrell and Nieves can help.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 17, 2013 8:27:59 GMT -5
Watching Doubront is nauseating last night. Slow pace, deep counts, etc. He has to improve. That's where I hope Farrell and Nieves can help. He's tough to watch for sure. Given a 7-0 lead against Cleveland and pitches like it's Gm7 of the ALCS against the MFY's. But, you can see the talent there. 92-93 fastball. Maybe, could add a little if he got in better shape. Change-up and curve. Bringing a cutter in. Nieves has to tell the young man how much $$$$$ he can make if he works on his conditioning and attacks hitters.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 17, 2013 8:53:06 GMT -5
Kid's young, give him a break. I generally think the "confidence" card is overplayed when it comes to actual performance, but I think it completely makes sense when you're talking about pace and aggressiveness inside the zone. Felix Doubront isn't totally sure what he's doing is going to work, unlike a veteran pitcher who's done it many times. I don't know that there's any magic formula for that ...
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 17, 2013 8:58:28 GMT -5
I think his control just isn't that good. If he's not sure what he wants to do, you'd see him shaking the catcher off more, not simply failing to hit his glove.
He's a reasonable fifth starter with some upside if he can improve his command/control (as opposed to a guy who's maxing out fringy stuff). I'll take it.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2013 9:13:22 GMT -5
Doubront....seriously Morales needs to be given this spot when he gets healthy and stretched out. There is no place in the starting 5 for a pitcher who can only throw 5 innings. 1. We have an excellent bullpen so chill out, 5-6 innings is fine. He pitched pretty well tonight. quality > quantity 2. If someone gets replaced it should clearly be Lackey/Aceves. 3. If someone gets promoted to the rotation it should be Webster. If the rotation keeps up the good work, no one is getting replaced. Let Webster continue to develop. Don't overlook Lackey. If we get the Angels Lackey when he comes back then he's a rotation mainstay not some back end schlub. Give te man a chance. That first start was exciting I want to see what he's got.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2013 9:17:05 GMT -5
I think his control just isn't that good. If he's not sure what he wants to do, you'd see him shaking the catcher off more, not simply failing to hit his glove. He's a reasonable fifth starter with some upside if he can improve his command/control (as opposed to a guy who's maxing out fringy stuff). I'll take it. Exactly and someone who at 25, fans should be patient with. Christ if this is him struggling, then he's going to be ok. Remember, he had a rapid development curve later in the minors and he's only made 34 major league starts. Starters usually start hitting their stride after about 50 starts.
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 17, 2013 9:35:17 GMT -5
Lester had a hard time with command and control when he first arrived, too. That's still not his strength, but he is much improved. Have to think between Lester's experience, and Farrell/Nieves coaching, he'll get better.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 17, 2013 9:47:10 GMT -5
Looking (very quickly) around MLB, I only see a handful of teams that we can definitively say Doubront wouldn't be starting for, or at least wouldn't have had a shot to win a job in ST (Braves, Tigers, Dodgers, Giants, Nationals are semi-certain, maybe the Rays, Padres and Rangers, super-maybe the Yankees and Reds).
If you don't think Doubront is a major league-quality starter, I think you're underestimating the level of starting pitching in the game right now. He's not going to make an all-star team, but he's not a bad fifth starter at all.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 17, 2013 10:17:46 GMT -5
I think his control just isn't that good. If he's not sure what he wants to do, you'd see him shaking the catcher off more, not simply failing to hit his glove. He's a reasonable fifth starter with some upside if he can improve his command/control (as opposed to a guy who's maxing out fringy stuff). I'll take it. I dunno ... he had very good control coming up through the system. And I disagree with the second sentence; if he's tentative, he's *less* likely to shake off a catcher, not more. But, really, just quibbles about something we can't really know; we agree overall. He's a talented pitcher who's a pretty good back-end starter right now and could be more with some tightening of his command, whatever causes his current lack of command.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 17, 2013 11:55:01 GMT -5
With Masterson throwing today, as good a time as any to remind everyone that this exists: www.merylscookies.com/
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Post by marrcus on Apr 17, 2013 14:10:48 GMT -5
Strange game last evening: few hits, many walks, lots (16!) of so's yet seven runs. Tonights matchup doesn't look good.
I really wonder whether Ortiz is returning because of the 2 million pay cut for 20 DL days relating to the tendon or he actually can help?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 17, 2013 15:17:23 GMT -5
I think his control just isn't that good. If he's not sure what he wants to do, you'd see him shaking the catcher off more, not simply failing to hit his glove. He's a reasonable fifth starter with some upside if he can improve his command/control (as opposed to a guy who's maxing out fringy stuff). I'll take it. I dunno ... he had very good control coming up through the system. And I disagree with the second sentence; if he's tentative, he's *less* likely to shake off a catcher, not more. But, really, just quibbles about something we can't really know; we agree overall. He's a talented pitcher who's a pretty good back-end starter right now and could be more with some tightening of his command, whatever causes his current lack of command. What are you basing that on?
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Post by atzar on Apr 17, 2013 18:13:42 GMT -5
Lots of solid contact against Masterson here. None of these singles are cheapies.
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Post by charliezink16 on Apr 17, 2013 18:48:06 GMT -5
Oh my god Jason Giambi still plays baseball.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 17, 2013 18:57:18 GMT -5
He started out his career with pretty good control, especially to go with his K numbers. He was generally seen as a guy who would probably get by as a lefthander with good control if he made it to the big leagues, but reports of his power stuff were underwhelming. But, gimme a sec, let me look back ...
18 yo season: 2.2 BB/9 19 yo season: 3.3 BB/9 20 yo season: 1.9 BB/9 21 yo season: 3.0 BB/9 22 yo season: 3.7 BB/9
OK, so he starts out good, with two very good to excellent season sandwiched around an eh season, which is what I remember from him. Then his BB rates start to climb ... thinking on this, I remember this coinciding with an increase in velocity.
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Post by amfox1 on Apr 17, 2013 19:02:52 GMT -5
Beautiful play by Shane-O.
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Post by soxcentral on Apr 17, 2013 19:13:47 GMT -5
Strange game last evening: few hits, many walks, lots (16!) of so's yet seven runs. Tonights matchup doesn't look good. I really wonder whether Ortiz is returning because of the 2 million pay cut for 20 DL days relating to the tendon or he actually can help? I doubt it, really the idea of rushing back is almost counterproductive to avoiding the 20 days on the DL. Ortiz is not far from 20 games now and he runs a higher risk of re-injury by returning too soon.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 17, 2013 19:15:14 GMT -5
Beautiful play by Shane-O. His defense in right has been so good. J.D. Drew was a good defensive right fielder and Trot Nixon in his prime was very good, but Victorino might be playing the best defensive right fielder I have seen. Darren Bragg was pretty good in right as well.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 17, 2013 19:22:54 GMT -5
Napoli getting lots of bases loaded opportunities.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 17, 2013 19:26:53 GMT -5
Pitiful. There's a pretty good chance these squanders come back to bite them with Aceves on the mound.
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Post by MLBDreams on Apr 17, 2013 19:30:16 GMT -5
What happened with 2 consecutive innings with base loaded & come up empty? Why can't Mike Carp score from 2B with back to back singles? Is he too slow? I'm watching it from GameDay.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 17, 2013 19:37:32 GMT -5
What happened with 2 consecutive innings with base loaded & come up empty? Why can't Mike Carp score from 2B with back to back singles? Is he too slow? I'm watching it from GameDay. The first single was a ground ball to short, so he stayed at second because he feared getting thrown out at third by the short stop.
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Post by jmei on Apr 17, 2013 19:42:27 GMT -5
Yeah, can't blame Carp for not advancing on the first single, he had a bad angle and the shortstop was right there. By the time he saw it was a hit the LF had the ball already.
But this game should be a lot more lopsided than it is. Lots of line drives but nothing really elevated other than the one double.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 17, 2013 19:42:43 GMT -5
Yes, it might be a good time for Carp to get his first start...
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