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Post by brendan98 on Sept 26, 2022 14:45:17 GMT -5
Chaim Bloom has positioned the Red Sox payroll wise with a huge opportunity this upcoming offseason, the Sox currently have about $68M committed in salary if you assume Xander will opt out. With the available money the Sox have to spend under next years $233M luxury tax, Bloom and the Red Sox could reasonably do all of the below and still have a lot of money to spend on the pen:
Re-sign Wacha 2 for $24m - $12m per Re-sign Eovaldi 2 for $30m - $15m per Re-sign Xander 6 for $156m - $26m per Re-sign Devers 10 for $325m - $32.5m per Sign Aaron Judge 8 for $280m - $35m per
To be clear, I'm not saying that I am in favor of paying Judge that kind of money, but it blew me away that we have so much financial flexibility this offseason, there are no excuses for Bloom if he does not take advantage of this situation and put an outstanding roster together for 2023.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 26, 2022 15:08:11 GMT -5
Chaim Bloom has positioned the Red Sox payroll wise with a huge opportunity this upcoming offseason, the Sox currently have about $68M committed in salary if you assume Xander will opt out. With the available money the Sox have to spend under next years $233M luxury tax, Bloom and the Red Sox could reasonably do all of the below and still have a lot of money to spend on the pen: Re-sign Wacha 2 for $24m - $12m per Re-sign Eovaldi 2 for $30m - $15m per Re-sign Xander 6 for $156m - $26m per Re-sign Devers 10 for $325m - $32.5m per Sign Aaron Judge 8 for $280m - $35m per To be clear, I'm not saying that I am in favor of paying Judge that kind of money, but it blew me away that we have so much financial flexibility this offseason, there are no excuses for Bloom if he does not take advantage of this situation and put an outstanding roster together for 2023. I know Manfred has enacted some interesting rules, but preparing for him to add 2 additional DHs to the lineup in 5 years seems bold. I'm assuming that Wacha number is pretty low as well based on pitching demand and contracts we've seen given out in the past.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 26, 2022 15:09:06 GMT -5
Chaim Bloom has positioned the Red Sox payroll wise with a huge opportunity this upcoming offseason, the Sox currently have about $68M committed in salary if you assume Xander will opt out. With the available money the Sox have to spend under next years $233M luxury tax, Bloom and the Red Sox could reasonably do all of the below and still have a lot of money to spend on the pen: Re-sign Wacha 2 for $24m - $12m per Re-sign Eovaldi 2 for $30m - $15m per Re-sign Xander 6 for $156m - $26m per Re-sign Devers 10 for $325m - $32.5m per Sign Aaron Judge 8 for $280m - $35m per To be clear, I'm not saying that I am in favor of paying Judge that kind of money, but it blew me away that we have so much financial flexibility this offseason, there are no excuses for Bloom if he does not take advantage of this situation and put an outstanding roster together for 2023. Their commitments will be more than $68 million - if nothing else that doesn't include the arb guys like Verdugo and Pivetta, in addition to Devers. And then there are a few buyouts. Am I missing anything beyond that? I think the number being bandied about was that they'd have ~$93 million to spend on free agents before they extended Kiké?
Even aside from the financial limitations, though, I think it'd be a bad idea to start several megadeals all in the same offseason. Imagine the team in 2027, when Story and Xander would be 34, Judge would be 35, and even Devers would be 30; that's like $117 million going to four guys likely past their prime. In fact that's already sort of a problem with keeping both Xander and Devers, now that they've added Story for the long term. (More of a problem re: Xander, who is the same age as Story.)
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Post by awalkinthepark on Sept 26, 2022 17:27:08 GMT -5
Red Sox payroll Twitter account has them at about $80 million under the CBT going into 2023, once you account for raises in arbitration. And the only guaranteed money that is on the books after 2023 is Sale, Story, Whitlock and Hosmer. I've said it a bunch but this is maybe the most financial flexibility the Red Sox have had going into an offseason in the last 20 years. The only other time that comes close, I think, was after the 2014 season. And that year Cherington gave over $300 million to Hanley, Pablo, Porcello and Rusney Castillo. I similarly think Bloom is going to give out a ton of money this offseason.
As for my guess to how the money will be spent, I really don't know. I have said before but I just have such a hard time believing they are going to keep both Xander and Devers, considering the shift has been banned, Story is under contract and their top prospect is a potential franchise SS in Mayer who will be knocking on the major league door sooner rather than later. This leaves a few possibilities in my eyes:
1. Sign Xander to the 8/$200 or whatever he wants. He plays SS in 2023-24 but the plan is to shift him over to 3B once Mayer is ready. Let Devers walk after next year. That leaves $50 million to split between corner OF and SP, which is plenty enough to get Judge or Nimmo and one of the better SPs on the market. Maybe they want to also add a C if they aren't confident in Wong/Maguire. 2. Let Xander walk, sign Devers to the 10/$300 million contract he wants. Sign a cheaper SS who is just there to bridge the gap until Mayer is ready. Still have $50 mil to split between a corner OF, SP and maybe C. 3. Do the same as 1, but trade Devers to try get a corner OF or SP in return. $50 million would be spent on whatever position you aren't filling with the Devers trade as well as a stop gap 3B to hold it down until Xander shifts over.
I think 3 is clearly the most unlikely to happen. 1 and 2 seem equally as likely to me. Xander is older but cheaper and more consistent, Devers is younger but more expensive and has more questions around his game. Whatever happens, my gut is telling me that this offseason is going to be wild.
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Post by notnickyorke on Sept 26, 2022 17:47:22 GMT -5
I have it mapped out like this. Salaries are based on luxery tax average. () Is an arbitration (very) rough estimate or a free agent salery guess. There meant as placeholders not definitive predictions. Just trying to give an overview to outline the payrole, wholes on the roster, and potential fill ins.
Hitters - 91.84 Pitchers - 81.874 40man - 9.8 Opt Buyout- 4 (Paxton) Ect - 15
2023 Payroll- 202.50 2023 Lux tax- 233 Difference - 30.5
C- MURPHY* (1) 1B- CASAS* .7 2B- STORY 23.34 SS- FA (25) 3B- DEVERS* (20) LF- VERDUGO* (6) CF- HERNANDEZ 10 RF- DURRAN* .7 DH- HOSMER* .7
BENCH 1- WONG .7 2- DALBEC .7 3- ARROYO (2) 4- REFSNYDER .7
STARTERS 1- FA (20) 2- SALE* 25.6 3- WHITLOCK 4.69 4- Bello .7 5- PIVETTA (8)
RELIEVERS 1- Schriber .7 2- Houke .7 3- FA* (5) 4- Barnes 9.375 5- FA* (5) 6- KELLY .7 7- ORT .7 8- CRAWFORD .7
40 MAN HITTERS 1- Downs .7 2- R.Hernandez .7 3- Valdez* .7 4- Abreu* .7 5- Rafaela .7
40 Man Pitchers 6- Mata .7 7- Seabold .7 8- Walter* .7 9- Winckowski .7 10-Murphy* .7 11-Ward .7 12-German .7 13-D.Hernandez .7 14-Bazardo .7
I have the following being non tendered or removed from the roster in someway. Could see D. Hernandez, R. HERNANDEZ, Bazardo AND Ort being removed as well if they want to add Paulino or Wilkerman gonzales to protect them in the rule 5.
Cordero Almonte Chang Braiser Taylor* Danish
This model works in 55 million for free agents at SS(25), 1-SP(20), 2-RP (10) and still leaves 30 million for upgrades. Plenty of different ways to spend that money if so inclined. A better RF, another starter to shift Whitlock to the pen, a stronger DH, a devers extension, or just more expensive additions then the one outlined above.
I feel lile the 40man depth is deeper then its been in years, particularly for the pitching staff.
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Post by seamus on Sept 26, 2022 17:52:58 GMT -5
I think the Sox will have a wild winter, but I would honestly be dumbfounded if they do anything at catcher besides sign a AAA depth guy. The McGuire/Wong duo projects as something at least vaguely around league average (with definite upside potential if the running game really does tick up next year). That's GREAT value for a pairing that's going to make only like $2m. Because of playing time limits on catchers, it's just really hard to get much value out of even a $10m contract unless you're talking about a superstar. Payroll flexibility disappears real quick if you spend it on cheap positions that are good enough - Sox have to still treat the roster like a triage situation and stay focused on corner OF, SS, a front-end starter, and bullpen help. That's (more than) enough to worry about without monkeying with catcher.
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Post by bosox904 on Sept 26, 2022 19:46:54 GMT -5
Chaim Bloom has positioned the Red Sox payroll wise with a huge opportunity this upcoming offseason, the Sox currently have about $68M committed in salary if you assume Xander will opt out. With the available money the Sox have to spend under next years $233M luxury tax, Bloom and the Red Sox could reasonably do all of the below and still have a lot of money to spend on the pen: Re-sign Wacha 2 for $24m - $12m per Re-sign Eovaldi 2 for $30m - $15m per Re-sign Xander 6 for $156m - $26m per Re-sign Devers 10 for $325m - $32.5m per Sign Aaron Judge 8 for $280m - $35m per To be clear, I'm not saying that I am in favor of paying Judge that kind of money, but it blew me away that we have so much financial flexibility this offseason, there are no excuses for Bloom if he does not take advantage of this situation and put an outstanding roster together for 2023. Their commitments will be more than $68 million - if nothing else that doesn't include the arb guys like Verdugo and Pivetta, in addition to Devers. And then there are a few buyouts. Am I missing anything beyond that? I think the number being bandied about was that they'd have ~$93 million to spend on free agents before they extended Kiké?
Even aside from the financial limitations, though, I think it'd be a bad idea to start several megadeals all in the same offseason. Imagine the team in 2027, when Story and Xander would be 34, Judge would be 35, and even Devers would be 30; that's like $117 million going to four guys likely past their prime. In fact that's already sort of a problem with keeping both Xander and Devers, now that they've added Story for the long term. (More of a problem re: Xander, who is the same age as Story.)
If you go by Spotrac, they have just over $94 million, that's including Kiké. But, I'm also confused because their numbers have ~$12m for Hosmer included, which it shouldn't, correct? If not, that would mean a little $106m free.
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Post by bosox904 on Sept 26, 2022 19:50:34 GMT -5
And for what it's worth, Cots contracts has the Sox $112 under the tax.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 26, 2022 20:01:02 GMT -5
IMO Red Sox Payroll on Twitter is the best source unless Speier or someone is reporting from a team source.
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