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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Dec 13, 2022 11:09:08 GMT -5
You can disagree with every one of them it won’t bother me I’m talking prospects specifically, which were not his trades all that often. But he plucked Erod and holt. His dodgers trade was an utter salary dump way more than the Betts trade was. Even those prospects he turned into Wade Miley. He has picked up multiple top 100 prospects in his pirates dealings. Some that have risen after the trades. Where as Blooms track record here is complete failure or to be determined. Cherington was awful across the board. Holt was because Farrell’s son was in the Pirates system and recommended him (that was also part of the Hanrahan trade which was a total failure dumping Melancon). Bailey, Melancon, Hanrahan trades were in total Ls. Also, resigning Komi instead of Miller. The Victorino signing was lightning in a bottle. Nava and Carp both insanely overperfomed in 2013. Then you have the signings with Rusney, Pablo, and Hanley. I could see the Hanley signing as justified at the time, but not the other two. The Lackey trade where we were selling and somehow got saddled with Craig’s contract… We don’t know about Chaim’s drafts, but damn were Cherington’s drafts awful, that’s even excluding the much maligned Ball pick. DD deserves credit for getting max value out of Kopech and Espinoza. I have been a Red Sox fan through all of the following GMs, and Cherington, IMO, was the worst. Yes, the Red Sox won a World Series in 2013 (surrounded by three last place finishes), but I am talking terrible FA signings, terrible fruitless drafts, and bad trades. Dave Dombrowski 2016 - 2019 Ben Cherington 2012 - 2015 Theo N. Epstein 2006 - 2011 Ben Cheringon/Jed Hoyer (interim) 2005-06 Theo N. Epstein 2002-05 Michael D. Port (interim) 2002 Daniel F. Duqette 1994-02 James "Lou" Gorman 1984-93 Haywood C. Sullivan 1978-83 Richard O'Connell 1965 - 1977 |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 17, 2022 9:46:07 GMT -5
Cherington was awful across the board. Holt was because Farrell’s son was in the Pirates system and recommended him (that was also part of the Hanrahan trade which was a total failure dumping Melancon). Bailey, Melancon, Hanrahan trades were in total Ls. Also, resigning Komi instead of Miller. The Victorino signing was lightning in a bottle. Nava and Carp both insanely overperfomed in 2013. Then you have the signings with Rusney, Pablo, and Hanley. I could see the Hanley signing as justified at the time, but not the other two. The Lackey trade where we were selling and somehow got saddled with Craig’s contract… We don’t know about Chaim’s drafts, but damn were Cherington’s drafts awful, that’s even excluding the much maligned Ball pick. DD deserves credit for getting max value out of Kopech and Espinoza. I have been a Red Sox fan through all of the following GMs, and Cherington, IMO, was the worst. Yes, the Red Sox won a World Series in 2013 (surrounded by three last place finishes), but I am talking terrible FA signings, terrible fruitless drafts, and bad trades. Dave Dombrowski 2016 - 2019 Ben Cherington 2012 - 2015 Theo N. Epstein 2006 - 2011 Ben Cheringon/Jed Hoyer (interim) 2005-06 Theo N. Epstein 2002-05 Michael D. Port (interim) 2002 Daniel F. Duqette 1994-02 James "Lou" Gorman 1984-93 Haywood C. Sullivan 1978-83 Richard O'Connell 1965 - 1977 '77 is my earliest solid memories of the team despite having gone to games for several years before that, (I don't remember the first game I went to to young). The most under-rated GM was Dan. D. as he built the core of the 2004 team and he landed the top free agent of the day in Manny Ramirez and people forget top free agents simply did not sign with Boston before that. With that signing he forever changed the perception of the orginization somewhat akin to Bill Parcels with the Pats, he laid the groundwork for future sucess and ultimately championships. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 17, 2022 10:13:37 GMT -5
I have been a Red Sox fan through all of the following GMs, and Cherington, IMO, was the worst. Yes, the Red Sox won a World Series in 2013 (surrounded by three last place finishes), but I am talking terrible FA signings, terrible fruitless drafts, and bad trades. Dave Dombrowski 2016 - 2019 Ben Cherington 2012 - 2015 Theo N. Epstein 2006 - 2011 Ben Cheringon/Jed Hoyer (interim) 2005-06 Theo N. Epstein 2002-05 Michael D. Port (interim) 2002 Daniel F. Duqette 1994-02 James "Lou" Gorman 1984-93 Haywood C. Sullivan 1978-83 Richard O'Connell 1965 - 1977 '77 is my earliest solid memories of the team despite having gone to games for several years before that, (I don't remember the first game I went to to young). The most under-rated GM was Dan. D. as he built the core of the 2004 team and he landed the top free agent of the day in Manny Ramirez and people forget top free agents simply did not sign with Boston before that. With that signing he forever changed the perception of the orginization somewhat akin to Bill Parcels with the Pats, he laid the groundwork for future sucess and ultimately championships. With Duquette I always feel like he had two tenures consecutively with the Sox. I think Mike Gimble had his ear early on leading him to a lot of the treasures that worked out swimmingly in 1995 taking a hopeless 1994 team and magically transforming it to a division winner. Then Gimble, who was kind of a sabermetrician of his time, embarrassed Duquette by revealing himself as the man behind the moves, which left the players snickering and hastened his departure. As it was his rotisserie like moves lead to the all offense no defense Sox softball team of 1996. So from that point on I believe Eddie Haas had his ear (and maybe Dave Jauss as well) and his moves reverted more to the traditional scouting type baseball moves. I think he relies on them heavily. The story goes that when Seattle was desperate for Heathcliff Slocumb, Duquette wanted Varitek and lefty pitcher Ken Cloude Seattle balked and substituted another pitcher and Duquette accepted having no idea that Derek Lowe was actually righthanded. Duke thought he was a southpaw. But it worked out and yeah it formed the core of the 04 team, but Theo to me is the best GM. He matched Manny with Ortiz, matched Pedro with Schilling. While Duke provided the catching and most of the outfield Theo assembled most if the infield and bullpen and bench. Perfect combo. I know he wasn't perfect but I do believe history will show that Dick O'Connell was a key man in Red Sox history for the better. I was lucky enough to meet Lou Gorman a few times and he struck me as a really nice guy who got desperate toward the end trying to make them winners before Mrs Yawkey passed. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 17, 2022 12:17:59 GMT -5
'77 is my earliest solid memories of the team despite having gone to games for several years before that, (I don't remember the first game I went to to young). The most under-rated GM was Dan. D. as he built the core of the 2004 team and he landed the top free agent of the day in Manny Ramirez and people forget top free agents simply did not sign with Boston before that. With that signing he forever changed the perception of the orginization somewhat akin to Bill Parcels with the Pats, he laid the groundwork for future sucess and ultimately championships. With Duquette I always feel like he had two tenures consecutively with the Sox. I think Mike Gimble had his ear early on leading him to a lot of the treasures that worked out swimmingly in 1995 taking a hopeless 1994 team and magically transforming it to a division winner. Then Gimble, who was kind of a sabermetrician of his time, embarrassed Duquette by revealing himself as the man behind the moves, which left the players snickering and hastened his departure. As it was his rotisserie like moves lead to the all offense no defense Sox softball team of 1996. So from that point on I believe Eddie Haas had his ear (and maybe Dave Jauss as well) and his moves reverted more to the traditional scouting type baseball moves. I think he relies on them heavily. The story goes that when Seattle was desperate for Heathcliff Slocumb, Duquette wanted Varitek and lefty pitcher Ken Cloude Seattle balked and substituted another pitcher and Duquette accepted having no idea that Derek Lowe was actually righthanded. Duke thought he was a southpaw. But it worked out and yeah it formed the core of the 04 team, but Theo to me is the best GM. He matched Manny with Ortiz, matched Pedro with Schilling. While Duke provided the catching and most of the outfield Theo assembled most if the infield and bullpen and bench. Perfect combo. I know he wasn't perfect but I do believe history will show that Dick O'Connell was a key man in Red Sox history for the better. I was lucky enough to meet Lou Gorman a few times and he struck me as a really nice guy who got desperate toward the end trying to make them winners before Mrs Yawkey passed. Dont forget the great team he built with the Expos that never got to the post-season becuase of the strike season of '94 and that he not only acquired Pedro but he acquired Pedro TWICE. Dan D. had to be aware the Red Sox were about to be sold well before the news was made public. I think he too got desperate in his last season because if you look at his overall track record building the team he did a very good job up to the last season. Theo added the finishing touches to the foundation Dan D built. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 17, 2022 12:29:48 GMT -5
With Duquette I always feel like he had two tenures consecutively with the Sox. I think Mike Gimble had his ear early on leading him to a lot of the treasures that worked out swimmingly in 1995 taking a hopeless 1994 team and magically transforming it to a division winner. Then Gimble, who was kind of a sabermetrician of his time, embarrassed Duquette by revealing himself as the man behind the moves, which left the players snickering and hastened his departure. As it was his rotisserie like moves lead to the all offense no defense Sox softball team of 1996. So from that point on I believe Eddie Haas had his ear (and maybe Dave Jauss as well) and his moves reverted more to the traditional scouting type baseball moves. I think he relies on them heavily. The story goes that when Seattle was desperate for Heathcliff Slocumb, Duquette wanted Varitek and lefty pitcher Ken Cloude Seattle balked and substituted another pitcher and Duquette accepted having no idea that Derek Lowe was actually righthanded. Duke thought he was a southpaw. But it worked out and yeah it formed the core of the 04 team, but Theo to me is the best GM. He matched Manny with Ortiz, matched Pedro with Schilling. While Duke provided the catching and most of the outfield Theo assembled most if the infield and bullpen and bench. Perfect combo. I know he wasn't perfect but I do believe history will show that Dick O'Connell was a key man in Red Sox history for the better. I was lucky enough to meet Lou Gorman a few times and he struck me as a really nice guy who got desperate toward the end trying to make them winners before Mrs Yawkey passed. Dont forget the great team he built with the Expos that never got to the post-season becuase of the strike season of '94 and that he not only acquired Pedro but he acquired Pedro TWICE. Dan D. had to be aware the Red Sox were about to be sold well before the news was made public. I think he too got desperate in his last season because if you look at his overall track record building the team he did a very good job up to the last season. Theo added the finishing touches to the foundation Dan D built. Can't really disagree with anything you said. Duquette was vital to what the Expos became on 1994. While for the Red Sox sake I wasn't sad when the plug was pulled on the season. They got off to a good start but the team was horrible and taking on water when the season ended. They were down to 54-61 and heading in the direction of 90 losses. I'll always regret not seeing what the Montreal Expos could have accomplished in 1994 if not for the strike. I would have been curious to see if Matt William's could have broken Maris's record first and I'll always wonder if Tony Gwynn would have batted .400. He was at .394 and rising. You might recall that before the 1995 season started Duquette, the rules of free agency changed, and Duquette signed Kevin Appier, John Wetteland, and Sammy Sosa as free agents, but then the rules changed back and they weren't free agents who could be signed. Imagine how that could have changed history. Not unlike the couple of days when Joe Rudi and Rollie Fingers were sold to the Red Sox in 1976 but never suited up and had the sale voided by Bowie Kuhn. I do quibble with the Theo/Duquette 2004 accreditation. I think that team's build was truly split. Duquette built a sturdy first floor and Theo built a sturdy 2nd floor and together it made a skyscraper that towered over everybody else in that final week of the 2004 season. |
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 17, 2022 12:42:46 GMT -5
A discussion of the best and worst GMs in RS history would make a great, stand-alone thread for the winter months.
Dick O'Connell and Theo Epstein belong at the top of the list. O'Connell put together and developed a lot of the pieces of the '67 team and was the architect of the '75 team. He many have overseen the greatest run of player development in team history and only a doofus, jackass, gerbil manager kept us from appearing in multiple WS. O'Connell was also the first GM we had who adopted the philosophy that a player's race didn't matter. Yes, that's a low bar but it was a big step for the RS at that time.
Theo, of course, got us over the top and his '02-'03 and '03-'04 off-seasons were incredible.
While I am not as familiar with all of those who came before O'Connell, I am spectacularly unimpressed by Eddie Collins and believe that Mike "Pinky" Higgins is in the most hellish quarters hell has to offer, or at least he should be.
Back to the guys from 1965 to present, I'd put Haywood Sullivan dead last and give incomplete grades to Mike Port and Chaim Bloom.
D-Dom is the most obvious YMMV guy on the list. He was here for the 2016-to-2018 run of division titles and WS win. He was fortunate to inherit a spectacular, cost-controlled core and supplemented that core with veteran stars. But there's also no denying he left behind a mess - a mess seems intent on replicating in Philly - with a bloated payroll.
Duquette is the Harry Truman of the group. People couldn't wait to see him gone in 2002 but in retrospect he did a lot of good things. He was smart enough to acquire Pedro Martinez, not once, but twice. He put in place some of the major pieces that produced the run that began in 2003.
I hated DD at the time and still believe it was time for him to be canned in the spring of 2002 but I have developed some respect for him since then. I honestly think his social awkwardness and press paranoia were his downfall. I recall that after Clemens walked he pushed for the player they drafted with the comp pick to be named RS Minor League Player of the Year (or perhaps it was P of the Year) to make it look like he was a genius for letting Clemens leave.
Embarrassments like the aforementioned Mike Gimble episode hurt him badly. And because so many people in the organization hated him, these stories always leaked to a press corps that also hated him and was eager to report on them.
A hilarious side development from the Mike Gimble fiasco was the revelation that the team's publications listed the Special Baseball Assistants as "Theodore Samuel Williams, Carl Michael Yastrzemski and Mike Gimble." Is it just me or does it seem like one of those names doesn't belong with the other two?
At this point, I an extremely disappointed in Bloom, but he also has to get in incomplete grade at this point. We need more time to see whether his 2021 team or his 2022 team was the outlier.
Will his norm be to put together highly competitive teams with sage signings and acquisitions like he did for 2021? In that world, 2022 was mainly due to injuries. Or will he continue to flub badly with incoherent moves and crap teams, making 2021 the outlier? Unfortunately, the moves so far this off-season point more to another 2022 finish in the standings than to a '21 result, but we'll see.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 18, 2022 10:48:57 GMT -5
A discussion of the best and worst GMs in RS history would make a great, stand-alone thread for the winter months. Dick O'Connell and Theo Epstein belong at the top of the list. O'Connell put together and developed a lot of the pieces of the '67 team and was the architect of the '75 team. He many have overseen the greatest run of player development in team history and only a doofus, jackass, gerbil manager kept us from appearing in multiple WS. O'Connell was also the first GM we had who adopted the philosophy that a player's race didn't matter. Yes, that's a low bar but it was a big step for the RS at that time. Theo, of course, got us over the top and his '02-'03 and '03-'04 off-seasons were incredible. While I am not as familiar with all of those who came before O'Connell, I am spectacularly unimpressed by Eddie Collins and believe that Mike "Pinky" Higgins is in the most hellish quarters hell has to offer, or at least he should be. Back to the guys from 1965 to present, I'd put Haywood Sullivan dead last and give incomplete grades to Mike Port and Chaim Bloom. D-Dom is the most obvious YMMV guy on the list. He was here for the 2016-to-2018 run of division titles and WS win. He was fortunate to inherit a spectacular, cost-controlled core and supplemented that core with veteran stars. But there's also no denying he left behind a mess - a mess seems intent on replicating in Philly - with a bloated payroll. Duquette is the Harry Truman of the group. People couldn't wait to see him gone in 2002 but in retrospect he did a lot of good things. He was smart enough to acquire Pedro Martinez, not once, but twice. He put in place some of the major pieces that produced the run that began in 2003. I hated DD at the time and still believe it was time for him to be canned in the spring of 2002 but I have developed some respect for him since then. I honestly think his social awkwardness and press paranoia were his downfall. I recall that after Clemens walked he pushed for the player they drafted with the comp pick to be named RS Minor League Player of the Year (or perhaps it was P of the Year) to make it look like he was a genius for letting Clemens leave. Embarrassments like the aforementioned Mike Gimble episode hurt him badly. And because so many people in the organization hated him, these stories always leaked to a press corps that also hated him and was eager to report on them. A hilarious side development from the Mike Gimble fiasco was the revelation that the team's publications listed the Special Baseball Assistants as "Theodore Samuel Williams, Carl Michael Yastrzemski and Mike Gimble." Is it just me or does it seem like one of those names doesn't belong with the other two? At this point, I an extremely disappointed in Bloom, but he also has to get in incomplete grade at this point. We need more time to see whether his 2021 team or his 2022 team was the outlier. Will his norm be to put together highly competitive teams with sage signings and acquisitions like he did for 2021? In that world, 2022 was mainly due to injuries. Or will he continue to flub badly with incoherent moves and crap teams, making 2021 the outlier? Unfortunately, the moves so far this off-season point more to another 2022 finish in the standings than to a '21 result, but we'll see. Yaz, Williams, and Mike Gimble. That's funny. I went to the SABR convention in 2002 that was in Boston. They have a different site every year - it's a baseball junkie's dream. Next year it's in Chicago. This past one was in Baltimore and I was fortunate enough to be able to go. It'll be awhile before it's back in Boston so it was a unique opportunity in 2002. I remember talking with Mike Gimble there, or rather listening. He was going on and on about how he wanted Duquette to sign Troy Neel as a free agent for the 1995 or 1996 team, can't remember which. But I came away with the realization that he was a key voice in the organization and eventually he was out of favor and Duquette started listening to other voices. Nobody makes decisions by themselves without input from others. For instance, I believe that the guy whose name escapes me now, who came over from the Brewers organization probably had a lot of input on Binelas and Hamilton and helped influence Bloom to make the Renfroe for Bradley/Binelas/Hamilton deal. It's just interesting to listen to and consider. A good read, for a look into the 1976 - 1983 Red Sox came from Peter Gammons, the guy everybody loves to mock now. Guess he wasn't wrong with Bogaerts was he? Apparently he's still more plugged in then one would think. The thing that struck me in that book was the power structure and the two separate versions of a dying Tom Yawkey's reaction to purchasing Fingers and Rudi. To O'Connell's faction, Yawkey was pleased but wondered why he didn't grab Sal Bando too (given that Petrocelli was declining at 3b). While Mrs Yawkey/Sullivan's faction had Yawkey livid that he bought these guys and hurt by the imminent threat of free agency by Fisk/Lynn/Burleson - all 3 would sign but leave after 1980. Talk about the buy/sell thing. In that book there were rumors that would have brought Nolan Ryan to Boston and rumors where the Sox would pick the A's clean. I remember reading that Reggie Jackson, after thee A's were eliminated by the Sox in the 1975 ALCS told Darrell Johnson that he wanted to come to Boston. And after Mr Yawkey passed away, Mrs Yawkey did away with Dick O'Connell who she never liked and gave Haywood Sullivan the power he sought as she regarded him to be like the son she never had. And of course those two had a rift later on. O'Connell I guess tried to get his revenge in 1983 when he signed on to be part of the Coup LeRoux that was done tastelessly at the Tony C benefit after he had just suffered a stroke that would eventually lead to his death. Fascinating and sad stuff. Makes me wonder about the impact of the Sox ownership today going conglomerate, the lack of accountability by Henry and Werner who are content to let Sam Kennedy be their mouthpiece as they chase their latest acquisition. Mods, if you want to move this stuff please do - this isn't about a new core, which we won't know about for some time, just a lot at GMs and ownership of the past and then wondering how it compares to what we see today. It's a dull time of year for baseball so sometimes it's just fun to look back and compare it with now. |
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 18, 2022 11:25:06 GMT -5
A discussion of the best and worst GMs in RS history would make a great, stand-alone thread for the winter months. Dick O'Connell and Theo Epstein belong at the top of the list. O'Connell put together and developed a lot of the pieces of the '67 team and was the architect of the '75 team. He many have overseen the greatest run of player development in team history and only a doofus, jackass, gerbil manager kept us from appearing in multiple WS. O'Connell was also the first GM we had who adopted the philosophy that a player's race didn't matter. Yes, that's a low bar but it was a big step for the RS at that time. Theo, of course, got us over the top and his '02-'03 and '03-'04 off-seasons were incredible. While I am not as familiar with all of those who came before O'Connell, I am spectacularly unimpressed by Eddie Collins and believe that Mike "Pinky" Higgins is in the most hellish quarters hell has to offer, or at least he should be. Back to the guys from 1965 to present, I'd put Haywood Sullivan dead last and give incomplete grades to Mike Port and Chaim Bloom. D-Dom is the most obvious YMMV guy on the list. He was here for the 2016-to-2018 run of division titles and WS win. He was fortunate to inherit a spectacular, cost-controlled core and supplemented that core with veteran stars. But there's also no denying he left behind a mess - a mess seems intent on replicating in Philly - with a bloated payroll. Duquette is the Harry Truman of the group. People couldn't wait to see him gone in 2002 but in retrospect he did a lot of good things. He was smart enough to acquire Pedro Martinez, not once, but twice. He put in place some of the major pieces that produced the run that began in 2003. I hated DD at the time and still believe it was time for him to be canned in the spring of 2002 but I have developed some respect for him since then. I honestly think his social awkwardness and press paranoia were his downfall. I recall that after Clemens walked he pushed for the player they drafted with the comp pick to be named RS Minor League Player of the Year (or perhaps it was P of the Year) to make it look like he was a genius for letting Clemens leave. Embarrassments like the aforementioned Mike Gimble episode hurt him badly. And because so many people in the organization hated him, these stories always leaked to a press corps that also hated him and was eager to report on them. A hilarious side development from the Mike Gimble fiasco was the revelation that the team's publications listed the Special Baseball Assistants as "Theodore Samuel Williams, Carl Michael Yastrzemski and Mike Gimble." Is it just me or does it seem like one of those names doesn't belong with the other two? At this point, I an extremely disappointed in Bloom, but he also has to get in incomplete grade at this point. We need more time to see whether his 2021 team or his 2022 team was the outlier. Will his norm be to put together highly competitive teams with sage signings and acquisitions like he did for 2021? In that world, 2022 was mainly due to injuries. Or will he continue to flub badly with incoherent moves and crap teams, making 2021 the outlier? Unfortunately, the moves so far this off-season point more to another 2022 finish in the standings than to a '21 result, but we'll see. Yaz, Williams, and Mike Gimble. That's funny. I went to the SABR convention in 2002 that was in Boston. They have a different site every year - it's a baseball junkie's dream. Next year it's in Chicago. This past one was in Baltimore and I was fortunate enough to be able to go. It'll be awhile before it's back in Boston so it was a unique opportunity in 2002. I remember talking with Mike Gimble there, or rather listening. He was going on and on about how he wanted Duquette to sign Troy Neel as a free agent for the 1995 or 1996 team, can't remember which. But I came away with the realization that he was a key voice in the organization and eventually he was out of favor and Duquette started listening to other voices. Nobody makes decisions by themselves without input from others. For instance, I believe that the guy whose name escapes me now, who came over from the Brewers organization probably had a lot of input on Binelas and Hamilton and helped influence Bloom to make the Renfroe for Bradley/Binelas/Hamilton deal. It's just interesting to listen to and consider. A good read, for a look into the 1976 - 1983 Red Sox came from Peter Gammons, the guy everybody loves to mock now. Guess he wasn't wrong with Bogaerts was he? Apparently he's still more plugged in then one would think. The thing that struck me in that book was the power structure and the two separate versions of a dying Tom Yawkey's reaction to purchasing Fingers and Rudi. To O'Connell's faction, Yawkey was pleased but wondered why he didn't grab Sal Bando too (given that Petrocelli was declining at 3b). While Mrs Yawkey/Sullivan's faction had Yawkey livid that he bought these guys and hurt by the imminent threat of free agency by Fisk/Lynn/Burleson - all 3 would sign but leave after 1980. Talk about the buy/sell thing. In that book there were rumors that would have brought Nolan Ryan to Boston and rumors where the Sox would pick the A's clean. I remember reading that Reggie Jackson, after thee A's were eliminated by the Sox in the 1975 ALCS told Darrell Johnson that he wanted to come to Boston. And after Mr Yawkey passed away, Mrs Yawkey did away with Dick O'Connell who she never liked and gave Haywood Sullivan the power he sought as she regarded him to be like the son she never had. And of course those two had a rift later on. O'Connell I guess tried to get his revenge in 1983 when he signed on to be part of the Coup LeRoux that was done tastelessly at the Tony C benefit after he had just suffered a stroke that would eventually lead to his death. Fascinating and sad stuff. Makes me wonder about the impact of the Sox ownership today going conglomerate, the lack of accountability by Henry and Werner who are content to let Sam Kennedy be their mouthpiece as they chase their latest acquisition. Mods, if you want to move this stuff please do - this isn't about a new core, which we won't know about for some time, just a lot at GMs and ownership of the past and then wondering how it compares to what we see today. It's a dull time of year for baseball so sometimes it's just fun to look back and compare it with now. It's a fascinating discussion and could actually spawn a couple of different threads. One could be the biggest FO screwups in RS history. The fiasco with the Sullivan administration sending Lynn and Fisk their contracts late, making Fisk a FA and forcing a trade of Lynn, would be on the list. And think of this: without the institutional racism, the Red Sox could have had Ted Williams, Willie Mays and Jackie Robinson on the same team in the early 1950s (though the Korean War would have taken away a chunk of their time together). |
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