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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 28, 2022 12:21:07 GMT -5
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 28, 2022 12:24:35 GMT -5
Good move on the surface. Lets see what the money is like. But this team does love its club options. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 28, 2022 12:24:38 GMT -5
Was not expecting them to get a club option!
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Post by cdj on Dec 28, 2022 12:25:41 GMT -5
One year, club option. Love that.
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Post by stunzisox on Dec 28, 2022 12:28:44 GMT -5
If it’s under $15 million, I’m happy.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 28, 2022 12:30:28 GMT -5
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Dec 28, 2022 12:31:23 GMT -5
Love it. $10mil is a coup, given Rich Hill got $8mil and Eovaldi got $17m/year
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 28, 2022 12:32:00 GMT -5
Theres the annual 1/10 deal!
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Dec 28, 2022 12:36:27 GMT -5
But this guy's dead! Cross him off then
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Post by manfred on Dec 28, 2022 12:37:59 GMT -5
If the “two #2s” meant in 2018, we are in business. Imagine 2016, 2017, 2018 with Sale and Kluber? Deadly. As good as it gets.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Dec 28, 2022 12:38:16 GMT -5
I’d like Eric’s next statistical rabbit hole to include exploring the correlations between performance and distance from hometown and/or place of residence, either by home field or broken down by individual stadiums. Don’t forget the cover sheet. Please and thank you  |
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Post by incandenza on Dec 28, 2022 12:38:44 GMT -5
Woah. That is WAY better than I expected! I like this so much more than Eovaldi on the contract he got. To the point that I'm surprised they engaged Eovaldi as long as they did if they had this in their back pocket.
Like, this is the Garrett Richards deal, basically. But for a guy who was healthy and effective last season.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 28, 2022 12:40:04 GMT -5
That's a great deal, best one we've made this offseason
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Post by Jimmy on Dec 28, 2022 12:47:22 GMT -5
Eovaldi was my favorite player on the Red Sox but 1/10 + team option for Kluber who threw 170 IP with a 3.57 FIP last year in comparison to the 3/62 for Eovaldi (and we pocket the comp pick) is a no brainer.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 28, 2022 12:47:50 GMT -5
For $10M I don't know how you can complain.
Steamer has him projected to start 29 games and throw 168 innings, with an ERA of 4.45, FIP of 4.36 and xFIP of 4.37 and a 1.8 fWAR. That's a touch better than he was in NY but less than he was last year, WAR-wise. Overall he profiles as a 4 starter with some occasional #3 upside. He will be turning 37, which is a concern, but for the money, this is a solid move if he can do the above. It will be a great move if he exceeds that performance.
ADDED: Looks like he'll fit right in:
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 28, 2022 12:49:44 GMT -5
Heyman says the option is for 11 and there are some incentives
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 28, 2022 12:52:39 GMT -5
Minimal downside deal, on paper a Sale/Bello/Whitlock/Kluber/Pivetta with Paxton/Houck/Crawford/Seabold/Winck/Walter/Mata as depth options sounds like a pretty solid rotation to me. The pen seems like it will be improved from last year. I'm cautiously optimistic in the pitching for this coming season.
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Post by manfred on Dec 28, 2022 12:58:09 GMT -5
I don’t think the money is that big an upside. He’s good or he’s not. But at this point, they still have about $20 mill. If he’d cost more, so what?
Everyone is so fixated on the money, but that fixation makes it seem like they have the Mets payroll or something. They are way under AND they can damn well go over if it means not being mediocre. And a bunch of money will come off at the end of this year to start the whole off-season disappointment cycle again.
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Post by 07redsox on Dec 28, 2022 13:14:24 GMT -5
For $10M I don't know how you can complain. Steamer has him projected to start 29 games and throw 168 innings, with an ERA of 4.45, FIP of 4.36 and xFIP of 4.37 and a 1.8 fWAR. That's a touch better than he was in NY but less than he was last year, WAR-wise. Overall he profiles as a 4 starter with some occasional #3 upside. He will be turning 37, which is a concern, but for the money, this is a solid move if he can do the above. It will be a great move if he exceeds that performance. ADDED: Looks like he'll fit right in: Not something you necessary want to see, but one good thing is that we will be facing those team much less this season than in past years. It’s not a reason to expect him to pitch significantly better this upcoming season, but definitely can’t hurt. |
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Post by incandenza on Dec 28, 2022 13:20:09 GMT -5
He had 21 walks total last season, which means he had **7** in 105 innings against all other teams. That's insane.
ADD: 2022 MLB leaders in BB/9, min. 50 IP:
1. Chris Martin - 0.80 2. Joe Mantiply - 0.90 3. Jacob DeGrom - 1.12 4. Corey Kluber - 1.15
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 28, 2022 13:24:12 GMT -5
Worth noting that Kluber had his lowest GB% last season. That, I believe, will play up big if he continues down that road. There are going to be a lot more groundballs making their way onto the outfield grass this season. So good outfield D will be a thing, as well as how MLB chooses to screw with the baseball this time around.
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Post by agastonguay13 on Dec 28, 2022 13:34:06 GMT -5
Club option is the key here. 1/$10m is great, but if they're in last place at the deadline(which is well within the realm of possibility), team control over a target is much more valuable than a 2 month rental.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 28, 2022 13:35:25 GMT -5
Love it. Needed someone in the rotation, he was the best option available, and a much better deal than a lot of the rest of free agency right now. Always been a fan of Kluber.
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Post by curtisw on Dec 28, 2022 13:43:56 GMT -5
I’m cautiously optimistic about this, he looks like a potentially decent #4. The FIP was significantly below his ERA, and the WHIP was hardly an atrocity. The problems clearly are the high amount of hits he’s giving up, and the declining SO%. Every year it goes down. If he can bounce back a bit and raise that up a little again, which to me would probably also indicate a tick up in stuff again, leading to a lower H/9. Huge if, probably unlikely. Not gonna go on savant rn as I’m running out door for a hike with my gf and my family, but my hunch is if you drilled down on some of that advanced data the reasons for these declines would become apparent. I doubt there’s too much hope he’s much better than last year. But that’s okay. Just not quite the starter we had all envisioned. But I think we can live with it.
Prob not much upside. I think he can be the (for modern day times) inning eater backend type, occasionally throws a good one but is mostly mediocre. Hopefully can provide good mentorship to our young guns.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 28, 2022 13:59:45 GMT -5
So, basically they just downgraded from Eovaldi to Kluber. Better than nothing, but not a huge fan of the trade off.
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