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Post by rhswanzey on Aug 12, 2023 21:22:10 GMT -5
Last year (Dec 2022), 13 of the 15 players picked were pitchers. In Dec 2020, it was 13 of 16. Aside from sake of posterity, generally speaking, I don’t think we need to worry about position players below AA. It’s just too hard to hide an A ball player on a four man bench.
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Post by bg23 on Aug 12, 2023 21:42:49 GMT -5
Song will make a strong bid to be on that list if teams saw him as an option for rule 5 they would have claimed him on waivers and kept him on the roster for 90 days rather than claim him this winter and have to keep him on the full year. I see it as incredibly unlikely he gets protected or claimed unless he all of the sudden finds his stuff from 4 years ago.
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Post by keninten on Aug 12, 2023 21:47:52 GMT -5
Song will make a strong bid to be on that list if teams saw him as an option for rule 5 they would have claimed him on waivers and kept him on the roster for 90 days rather than claim him this winter and have to keep him on the full year. I see it as incredibly unlikely he gets protected or claimed unless he all of the sudden finds his stuff from 4 years ago. If the Sox put him in the AFL someone might claim him if he looks good.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 12, 2023 22:54:21 GMT -5
Last year (Dec 2022), 13 of the 15 players picked were pitchers. In Dec 2020, it was 13 of 16. Aside from sake of posterity, generally speaking, I don’t think we need to worry about position players below AA. It’s just too hard to hide an A ball player on a four man bench. Yeah, Paulino has played his way out of the conversation here. Bonaci I don't think would get picked but he's in the conversation.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 14, 2023 5:58:02 GMT -5
Piggybacking on a discussion from the Song thread, the 40-man is full, plus 4 players on the 60-day IL.
Duvall, Paxton and Mondesi become free agents. No way they pick up Kluber's option. Thinking they won't pick up Joely's either - they can maybe get him cheaper if they want him to stay. Turner's option is designed for him not to pick it up, which I think is the most likely scenario even if he wants to stay, but let's say he sticks around one way or another and call it 39.
Llovera, Garza, and Barraclough are likely DFA fodder. Maybe Robertson. They'll need at least one SP and probably seek a 2B. But otherwise there's not a ton they HAVE to do.
They're going to need to explore deals involving any of the guys from the Dalbec, Valdez, Abreu, Hamilton, Reyes, and Urias group who aren't going to make the MLB roster.
It's going to be tough to protect more than a handful of R5 guys. So keep that in mind when projecting who they add.
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 14, 2023 8:08:08 GMT -5
Piggybacking on a discussion from the Song thread, the 40-man is full, plus 4 players on the 60-day IL. Duvall, Paxton and Mondesi become free agents. No way they pick up Kluber's option. Thinking they won't pick up Joely's either - they can maybe get him cheaper if they want him to stay. Turner's option is designed for him not to pick it up, which I think is the most likely scenario even if he wants to stay, but let's say he sticks around one way or another and call it 39. Llovera, Garza, and Barraclough are likely DFA fodder. Maybe Robertson. They'll need at least one SP and probably seek a 2B. But otherwise there's not a ton they HAVE to do. They're going to need to explore deals involving the guys like Dalbec, Valdez, Abreu, Hamilton, Reyes, and Urias who aren't going to make the MLB roster. It's going to be tough to protect more than a handful of R5 guys. So keep that in mind when projecting who they add. Only nitpick I have here is Urias, if he’s good the rest of the season I think he probably does make the MLB roster next year, if not I would expect they nontender him at the contract he’s going to have. I don’t think they’re paying $5M for a guy they don’t think is good enough for the MLB squad.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 14, 2023 8:11:42 GMT -5
Piggybacking on a discussion from the Song thread, the 40-man is full, plus 4 players on the 60-day IL. Duvall, Paxton and Mondesi become free agents. No way they pick up Kluber's option. Thinking they won't pick up Joely's either - they can maybe get him cheaper if they want him to stay. Turner's option is designed for him not to pick it up, which I think is the most likely scenario even if he wants to stay, but let's say he sticks around one way or another and call it 39. Llovera, Garza, and Barraclough are likely DFA fodder. Maybe Robertson. They'll need at least one SP and probably seek a 2B. But otherwise there's not a ton they HAVE to do. They're going to need to explore deals involving the guys like Dalbec, Valdez, Abreu, Hamilton, Reyes, and Urias who aren't going to make the MLB roster. It's going to be tough to protect more than a handful of R5 guys. So keep that in mind when projecting who they add. Only nitpick I have here is Urias, if he’s good the rest of the season I think he probably does make the MLB roster next year, if not I would expect they nontender him at the contract he’s going to have. I don’t think they’re paying $5M for a guy they don’t think is good enough for the MLB squad. To be clearer, I meant any players from that group who are not going to make the roster, not that the entire group won't make the roster (which is how it reads - I'm going to fix).
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Post by mobaz on Aug 14, 2023 10:32:52 GMT -5
Piggybacking on a discussion from the Song thread, the 40-man is full, plus 4 players on the 60-day IL. Duvall, Paxton and Mondesi become free agents. No way they pick up Kluber's option. Thinking they won't pick up Joely's either - they can maybe get him cheaper if they want him to stay. Turner's option is designed for him not to pick it up, which I think is the most likely scenario even if he wants to stay, but let's say he sticks around one way or another and call it 39. Llovera, Garza, and Barraclough are likely DFA fodder. Maybe Robertson. They'll need at least one SP and probably seek a 2B. But otherwise there's not a ton they HAVE to do. They're going to need to explore deals involving the guys like Dalbec, Valdez, Abreu, Hamilton, Reyes, and Urias who aren't going to make the MLB roster. It's going to be tough to protect more than a handful of R5 guys. So keep that in mind when projecting who they add. Only nitpick I have here is Urias, if he’s good the rest of the season I think he probably does make the MLB roster next year, if not I would expect they nontender him at the contract he’s going to have. I don’t think they’re paying $5M for a guy they don’t think is good enough for the MLB squad. I'm guessing if he's on the edge they come to an agreement with Urias that's below arb levels; he avoids non-tender and they get another crack at seeing how he can bounce back
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Post by tjb21 on Aug 14, 2023 16:25:06 GMT -5
Piggybacking on a discussion from the Song thread, the 40-man is full, plus 4 players on the 60-day IL. Duvall, Paxton and Mondesi become free agents. No way they pick up Kluber's option. Thinking they won't pick up Joely's either - they can maybe get him cheaper if they want him to stay. Turner's option is designed for him not to pick it up, which I think is the most likely scenario even if he wants to stay, but let's say he sticks around one way or another and call it 39. Llovera, Garza, and Barraclough are likely DFA fodder. Maybe Robertson. They'll need at least one SP and probably seek a 2B. But otherwise there's not a ton they HAVE to do. They're going to need to explore deals involving any of the guys from the Dalbec, Valdez, Abreu, Hamilton, Reyes, and Urias group who aren't going to make the MLB roster. It's going to be tough to protect more than a handful of R5 guys. So keep that in mind when projecting who they add. Are Mills, Kelly, Garza, and Robertson worth a 40-man vs some of the additional Rule 5s they might add? I was mainly think Kelly and Mills. Not a Rule 5 comment, but would Abreu/Refsnyder combo be a replacement for Verdugo? Could? Nah. Should? Nah.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 3, 2023 20:24:52 GMT -5
Sept 4th….
Perales Drohan Wikelman Fernandez Gambrell
Just my opinion….others will undoubtedly differ….
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 3, 2023 20:33:33 GMT -5
Sept 4th…. Perales Drohan Wikelman Fernandez Gambrell Just my opinion….others will undoubtedly differ…. Definitely agree on the first 3. Depends on how many FAs they sign on the last 2.
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Post by nonothing on Oct 3, 2023 14:14:51 GMT -5
Pitchers: 26
Free Agents: James Paxton 34 L L Corey Kluber 37 R R Joely Rodríguez 31 L L
Net Pitchers: 23
Definite Keepers (ignoring any trades): 13
SPs (2): Brayan Bello 24 R R Chris Sale 34 L L
RPs (7) (even if bulk): Kenley Jansen 35 S R Chris Martin 37 R R Josh Winckowski 25 R R John Schreiber 29 R R Zack Kelly 28 R R Brennan Bernardino 31 L L Chris Murphy 25 L L
SP or RP (4): Kutter Crawford 27 R R Nick Pivetta 30 R R Tanner Houck 27 R R Garrett Whitlock 27 R R
Pitcher Roster Decision Names (currently on roster) to weigh against the Rule 5 potential 40-man adds in section below: 10 Brandon Walter 26 L L Joe Jacques 28 L L Mauricio Llovera 27 R R Bryan Mata 24 R R Logan Gillaspie 26 R R Nick Robertson 24 R R Justin Garza 29 R R Zack Weiss 31 R R Kaleb Ort 31 R R Wyatt Mills 28 R R
Potential Rule 5 Adds: 6 W Gonzalez S Drohan R Fernandez G Gambrell J Hagenman L Perales
Some of others possible that others may debate, but I do not think will be added: Bastardo, Cepeda, Liu, Nunez, Penrod, Politi, Song, Van Belle, many others (full list on SoxProspects Rule 5 Eligibility)
So back to the position players, I think 16 spots are position players, giving them the ability to keep 24 pitchers -- or only 23 if they want a spot open to draft from another team.
I am assuming they keep a spot open and go into the draft with 23 pitchers, and I am assuming they sign 2 FA pitchers before the draft, meaning they can only have 21 of the guys listed above, or simply put 8 of the 16 guys I listed as names to weigh or potential adds can have spots, while the others cannot.
With that said, I would outright/be ok losing older guys who maybe don't have a lot of upside or are injured and come back potentially without a roster spot (4): Wyatt Mills 28 R R Justin Garza 29 R R Zack Weiss 31 R R Kaleb Ort 31 R R
We have few lefties, so I would keep: 2 Brandon Walter 26 L L Joe Jacques 28 L L
That leaves 6 slots for 10 guys:
I would keep: Bryan Mata 24 R R Nick Robertson 24 R R Add: W Gonzalez G Gambrell S Drohan L Perales
Drop: Mauricio Llovera 27 R R Logan Gillaspie 26 R R
Leave unprotected: R Fernandez J Hagenman
Pitchers on Roster at Rule 5: 23
SPs (4): Brayan Bello 24 R R Chris Sale 34 L L Early FA Sign or Trade Add Early FA Sign or Trade Add
SP or RP (9): Kutter Crawford 27 R R Nick Pivetta 30 R R Tanner Houck 27 R R Garrett Whitlock 27 R R Grant Gambrell R Wikelman Gonzalez R Luis Perales R Brandon Walter 26 L L Shane Drohan L
RPs (10) (even if bulk): Kenley Jansen 35 S R Chris Martin 37 R R Josh Winckowski 25 R R John Schreiber 29 R R Zack Kelly 28 R R Bryan Mata 24 R R Nick Robertson 24 R R Brennan Bernardino 31 L L Chris Murphy 25 L L Joe Jacques 28 L L
1 open spot to add at Rule 5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 13, 2023 8:51:24 GMT -5
A reminder that the Red Sox must make 40-man decisions for Rule 5 protection purposes by tomorrow at 6pm.
My best guess:
Protected: Perales Drohan Wikelman
Maybe: Fernandez
Left eligible: Bastardo Bell Bonaci Castro Cepeda Gambrell Hagenman Liu Lugo Koss Paulino Penrod Politi Scott Song Zeferjahn
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 13, 2023 10:20:41 GMT -5
I'd add Penrod and Gambrell to maybe (and think Sena is worth adding to that latter list) but generally agree.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Nov 13, 2023 15:34:06 GMT -5
I'd add Penrod and Gambrell to maybe (and think Sena is worth adding to that latter list) but generally agree. I think the Rule 5 will be pitcher heavy as it is easier to stash a pitcher on a 13 man staff than a position player on a four man bench. Several position players are deserving, but are less likely to be picked…. Perales Drohan Wikelman Gambrell Penrod …will be added to the 40-man and…. There are currently three open spots, so two or more of the Mills, Jacques, Robertson, Llovera, Urias, Weiss, and Gillaspie crowd will be heading off the roster in the next 24+ hours….
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 14, 2023 17:01:46 GMT -5
Perales has been added to the 40-man roster, per Cotillo.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 14, 2023 17:25:49 GMT -5
Perales has been added to the 40-man roster, per Cotillo. Wikelman, too.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 14, 2023 18:15:25 GMT -5
Didn't think news would take this long! I wanna know now!
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Post by mobaz on Nov 14, 2023 18:15:58 GMT -5
Nevermind, it's just those two. Drohan left unprotected!
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 14, 2023 18:15:59 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 14, 2023 18:18:41 GMT -5
Surprised drohan did not get protected.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Nov 14, 2023 18:19:10 GMT -5
Soooo, who's Drohan getting traded for?
Edit: No one, because you can't trade him. Can someone smarter explain this decision?
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 14, 2023 18:19:28 GMT -5
Soooo, who's Drohan getting traded for? Nick Punto
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Post by thelpc on Nov 14, 2023 18:33:02 GMT -5
I’m sorry but there’s simply no way that Drohan isn’t more valuable than some of the absolute dreck at the end of the 40 man roster right now. This feels like an incredibly brain dead move by the front office
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 14, 2023 18:36:17 GMT -5
First questionable move by the new front office.
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