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Red Sox Spring Training Gameday Thread
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Post by shagworthy on Mar 20, 2023 12:25:24 GMT -5
Sloppy first inning...
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Post by manfred on Mar 20, 2023 12:58:53 GMT -5
Ok, I’ll say it… my expectations are starting to elevate a bit. Some of the areas I went onto spring doubting have looked better than I expected. I’m even coming around on Duvall. I say not just WC, but why not contend in the East?
Health remains the thing that makes me nervous, but couldn’t one always say that?
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Post by taiwansox on Mar 20, 2023 13:10:10 GMT -5
Ok, I’ll say it… my expectations are starting to elevate a bit. Some of the areas I went onto spring doubting have looked better than I expected. I’m even coming around on Duvall. I say not just WC, but why not contend in the East? Health remains the thing that makes me nervous, but couldn’t one always say that? The Rays/Yankees have injury risk for sure, I think the Blue Jays have the most upside. We’re more or less in the same boat as the Rays/Yankees with injury volatility, so I could easily see us finishing second, only way we’d win the division is if the Jays’ pitching collapses
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Post by incandenza on Mar 20, 2023 13:45:45 GMT -5
Ok, I’ll say it… my expectations are starting to elevate a bit. Some of the areas I went onto spring doubting have looked better than I expected. I’m even coming around on Duvall. I say not just WC, but why not contend in the East? Health remains the thing that makes me nervous, but couldn’t one always say that? The Rays/Yankees have injury risk for sure, I think the Blue Jays have the most upside. We’re more or less in the same boat as the Rays/Yankees with injury volatility, so I could easily see us finishing second, only way we’d win the division is if the Jays’ pitching collapses A quick comparison of fangraphs depth charts projections for #4-7 starting pitchers:
BOS: 46% of all SP IP, 6.3 WAR NYY: 39%, 4.7 TOR: 37%, 3.9 TBR: 39%, 4.9 BAL: 41%, 4.0
Maybe this implies that the Red Sox have the best starting pitching depth to fall back on in case of injury, and also that they're most likely to need it? The Blue Jays seem most vulnerable in that regard. But the Yankees have the problem that if any of their top 3-4 players gets hurt there's a BIG dropoff to whoever's replacing them. The Red Sox are so balanced - they're basically Devers + 25 2-WAR players - that in theory they ought to be fairly resilient to injuries, but also probably have less upside than the other teams.
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Post by scottysmalls on Mar 20, 2023 14:36:28 GMT -5
Anyone know if Whitlock is expected to be ready to go to start the season?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 20, 2023 14:37:33 GMT -5
Anyone know if Whitlock is expected to be ready to go to start the season?
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 20, 2023 14:57:06 GMT -5
I know…I know….small sample size….spring training, but Ort has pitched 6.1 innings and given up 4 HRs, and put 16 men on base. I think it is safe to say he can be a DFA who will not be taken (the Yankees are not snarky like DD and the Phillies who would take a player like Canon or Song with little to no chance of it working out). I think it is pretty obvious that he will be the subtraction if or when Tapia is added. Not so sure he would pass by the Yankees, they have to be counting on DFA pitching at this point. Maybe not Ort but somebody, anybody. That bullpen has worst in baseball potential. If the Yankees want Ort, they can definitely have him. I’m sure Cashman is aiming higher than that, though.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Mar 20, 2023 15:22:01 GMT -5
Ok, I’ll say it… my expectations are starting to elevate a bit. Some of the areas I went onto spring doubting have looked better than I expected. I’m even coming around on Duvall. I say not just WC, but why not contend in the East? Health remains the thing that makes me nervous, but couldn’t one always say that? The Rays/Yankees have injury risk for sure, I think the Blue Jays have the most upside. We’re more or less in the same boat as the Rays/Yankees with injury volatility, so I could easily see us finishing second, only way we’d win the division is if the Jays’ pitching collapses I can see the Yankees competing with the Oriels for fourth place.
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Post by gerry on Mar 20, 2023 15:30:49 GMT -5
The Rays/Yankees have injury risk for sure, I think the Blue Jays have the most upside. We’re more or less in the same boat as the Rays/Yankees with injury volatility, so I could easily see us finishing second, only way we’d win the division is if the Jays’ pitching collapses A quick comparison of fangraphs depth charts projections for #4-7 starting pitchers:
BOS: 46% of all SP IP, 6.3 WAR NYY: 39%, 4.7 TOR: 37%, 3.9 TBR: 39%, 4.9 BAL: 41%, 4.0
Maybe this implies that the Red Sox have the best starting pitching depth to fall back on in case of injury, and also that they're most likely to need it? The Blue Jays seem most vulnerable in that regard. But the Yankees have the problem that if any of their top 3-4 players gets hurt there's a BIG dropoff to whoever's replacing them. The Red Sox are so balanced - they're basically Devers + 25 2-WAR players - that in theory they ought to be fairly resilient to injuries, but also probably have less upside than the other teams.
Depth. I think the above post has voiced the most concise and maybe accurate description of this team’s construction to date. I love the Devers plus 25–2WAR position players snapshot. And this does not include perhaps equally reasonable potential from Duran, Mondesi, Tapia, Wong/Alfaro as well as Story and others currently in uniform. As Theo emphasized, having a base of average to above average players at every position is key. It is even possible that the Sox can replace average with equivalent or better players. That seems unique. And this SP depth can be expended even beyond 4-7. The Sox have 4-9 in solid MLB SP level and even 4-12 with 3 more in AAA (Mata, Murphy, Walter) as reinforcements as the season progresses. Not bad for a 162 grind and several pitchers still rehabbing. These are some reasons I think the ‘23 Sox could be a sneaky good team even while setting the table for the still baking 2024 version.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Mar 20, 2023 16:09:49 GMT -5
I still don’t see it with braiser, I’ve given the front office the benefit of the doubt their entire tenure but this infatuation with braiser is mind blowing and infuriating. To think we chose brasier over so many much younger players is puzzling to me.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Mar 20, 2023 17:13:55 GMT -5
I still don’t see it with braiser, I’ve given the front office the benefit of the doubt their entire tenure but this infatuation with braiser is mind blowing and infuriating. To think we chose brasier over so many much younger players is puzzling to me. In the end it will make little difference as Ort and Brasier will both eventually be DFA. Ort will probably not be taken and end up in AAA with Worcester in another week. Brasier did not walk very many batters last year (although some of his strikes end up over the fense). There are enough quality arms that will need to move up to Boston that Brasier’s spot will be taken.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Mar 20, 2023 18:03:39 GMT -5
brasier doing his best to solidify his relief role.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Mar 20, 2023 19:01:12 GMT -5
I know…I know….small sample size….spring training, but Ort has pitched 6.1 innings and given up 4 HRs, and put 16 men on base. I think it is safe to say he can be a DFA who will not be taken (the Yankees are not snarky like DD and the Phillies who would take a player like Canon or Song with little to no chance of it working out). I think it is pretty obvious that he will be the subtraction if or when Tapia is added. Not so much the NYY (or anyone else) would claim him, but the fact the Sox have nobody at Pawtucket, other than Ort who really it looks like has a chance to help at the MLB level relieving wise, possibly removing the recovering Mata and wild card Altavila, who has had a career of little command. It's like Bloom spent the offseason looking at his crystal analytical ball, looking for his next "spin master" Schreiber type instead of guys who might actually have a chance to help. Not quite as dreary at AA, but if Olds is wasted another year in the rotation and now recent draftee Noah Dean thrust into the rotation. I have wondered for years what is wrong with the Sox FO pitching wise and the wrong headed decisions they have made, regardless of who has been in charge.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 20, 2023 19:20:22 GMT -5
I know…I know….small sample size….spring training, but Ort has pitched 6.1 innings and given up 4 HRs, and put 16 men on base. I think it is safe to say he can be a DFA who will not be taken (the Yankees are not snarky like DD and the Phillies who would take a player like Canon or Song with little to no chance of it working out). I think it is pretty obvious that he will be the subtraction if or when Tapia is added. Not so much the NYY (or anyone else) would claim him, but the fact the Sox have nobody at Pawtucket, other than Ort who really it looks like has a chance to help at the MLB level relieving wise, possibly removing the recovering Mata and wild card Altavila, who has had a career of little command. It's like Bloom spent the offseason looking at his crystal analytical ball, looking for his next "spin master" Schreiber type instead of guys who might actually have a chance to help.Not quite as dreary at AA, but if Olds is wasted another year in the rotation and now recent draftee Noah Dean thrust into the rotation. I have wondered for years what is wrong with the Sox FO pitching wise and the wrong headed decisions they have made, regardless of who has been in charge. The complaint here is that Bloom was trying to find the next guy who might be a really good reliever for cheap?
It's not like he just went cheap either; he added Jansen, Martin, Joely, traded for Bleier...
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Post by taiwansox on Mar 20, 2023 20:49:30 GMT -5
Yamamoto >> Sasaki His curve and split are filthy Yamamoto getting posted next year too, while Sasaki might be a while before being posted. He’s a similar profile to Darvish when he was with the Nippon Ham Fighters, strong command, two plus offspeed. Makes it better staying under the cap this year (next year’s free agent class is weak, but we could pick up a big ticket free agent without going over the cap)
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 20, 2023 20:49:35 GMT -5
Moved all the WBC talk to that thread.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Mar 21, 2023 11:33:32 GMT -5
Should get our first look at Nick Yorke in a Sox spring training game today.
edit: went in to play 2nd, but ended the game in the on-deck circle w/o an at-bat.
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Post by greenmonster on Mar 21, 2023 12:51:12 GMT -5
I am currently not able to watch today's game. Just checked the box score and it doesn't look like Sale is doing very well. Is it as bad as it looks? Does Sale appear to be healthy, etc??
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Post by patford on Mar 21, 2023 13:06:38 GMT -5
I am currently not able to watch today's game. Just checked the box score and it doesn't look like Sale is doing very well. Is it as bad as it looks? Does Sale appear to be healthy, etc?? Sale reminds me of Houck. His best pitch is his slider but if hitters simply don't ever swing at the slider (which is almost always going to be called a ball) then the fastball gets exposed.
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Post by orion09 on Mar 21, 2023 13:18:30 GMT -5
Yeah, the biggest issue today seems to be that the slider isn’t fooling batters… it’s either just missing down and in (to RHB) and guys aren’t swinging, or it’s out over the plate and getting crushed. Haven’t seen the usual swings out of the zone. Wondering whether it’s a consequence of lower FB velocity or just lack of sharpness. Not that I’d read too much into it at this point
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 23, 2023 11:04:11 GMT -5
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Post by taiwansox on Mar 23, 2023 12:40:02 GMT -5
Tough play at the plate, but Alfaro has looked bad in every aspect behind the plate other than arm strength. Framing, blocking, catching. If he makes the team he’ll be our Gary Sanchez…
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Post by taiwansox on Mar 23, 2023 12:51:29 GMT -5
Nick Yorke = gold glover??
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Post by Addam603 on Mar 23, 2023 12:51:36 GMT -5
Yorke just had one of the best defensive plays you’ll see a second baseman make.
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Post by backwardsk on Mar 23, 2023 12:59:56 GMT -5
Nick Yorke = gold glover?? Should put Yorke in LF this season. Second base not best fit if he can track fly balls like that.
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