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Post by brendan98 on Aug 4, 2023 13:46:26 GMT -5
Wow, the Sox farm system is healthy!
Fans can complain all they want about the Major League product, but Chaim Bloom has done his job with the farm system.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 4, 2023 13:50:50 GMT -5
I know a lot of it is guys jumping him and a couple new guys in the system, but ERC dropping 9 spots this year despite the very positive (on the surface) season he's had is a bit surprising. Is it just a case of what I alluded to with other guys making moves around him, or are there things in his report that don't match with the results that maybe warrant some long-term concern?
Also more than a little surprised Rafaela didn't jump Bleis. I get the talent of Bleis, but given the injury and how much the SP staff has seemingly valued proximity in the past, I figured that would have been a logical jump.
No other real surprises that I can tell. Marvin Alcantara holding steady gives me some hope, still love that collection of arms in the 27-35 range, a little surprised Nelly Taylor didn't crack the list, but 6 draftees feels about right.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 4, 2023 13:55:34 GMT -5
Thought the ERC drop in the rankings was curious as well.
Also a little odd that Valdez dropped 5 spots (not counting the Teel/Zanatello additions ahead of him) despite his 208 wRC+ in AAA since he got sent back down. On the other hand, that 10 ranking felt a little high to me in the first place.
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 4, 2023 13:55:59 GMT -5
I find it interesting and would love to know the thinking behind Yohanfran Garcia ranked ahead of Cespedes.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 4, 2023 13:59:10 GMT -5
Thought the ERC drop in the rankings was curious as well. Also a little odd that Valdez dropped 5 spots (not counting the Teel/Zanatello additions ahead of him) despite his 208 wRC+ in AAA since he got sent back down. On the other hand, that 10 ranking felt a little high to me in the first place.This is it IMO. I think Valdez can absolutely be a useful piece in the right context but the fact that he's so context-dependent and the defense is so bad I feel like he's got an unfortunate case of "is what he is". Still glad to have him, though!
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Post by chaimtime on Aug 4, 2023 14:00:37 GMT -5
I find it interesting and would love to know the thinking behind Yohanfran Garcia ranked ahead of Cespedes. Not that I’m an authority of any sorts, but “Catcher raking in the FCL” and “shortstop raking in the DSL” sound fairly comparable to me, with preference for the former due to being a level higher. Your mileage may vary, obviously.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 4, 2023 14:00:57 GMT -5
Thought the ERC drop in the rankings was curious as well. Also a little odd that Valdez dropped 5 spots (not counting the Teel/Zanatello additions ahead of him) despite his 208 wRC+ in AAA since he got sent back down. On the other hand, that 10 ranking felt a little high to me in the first place.This is it IMO. I think Valdez can absolutely be a useful piece in the right context but the fact that he's so context-dependent and the defense is so bad I feel like he's got an unfortunate case of "is what he is". Still glad to have him, though! Also looking at the list again, I think it's really more just guys passing him (Johanfran and Yoelin especially) rather than him sliding; and that may be most of the explanation for ERC as well. A good sign for the system!
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Post by mobaz on Aug 4, 2023 14:01:46 GMT -5
ERC stood out to me too. Also interesting Dean fell off in favor of Duffy; I was hoping Dean would build some momentum this year, and his step back makes me feel a little less optimistic about the college arm strategy (though I know the goal is in find quality through quantity; I just had high hopes for him last year).
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 4, 2023 14:03:59 GMT -5
ERC stood out to me too. Also interesting Dean fell off in favor of Duffy; I was hoping Dean would build some momentum this year, and his step back makes me feel a little less optimistic about the college arm strategy (though I know the goal is in find quality through quantity; I just had high hopes for him last year). Yeah I mean I'd say unless you had some special connection or high hopes for Noah Dean (which you said you did, so fair), the relative success/promise of Dalton Rogers, Alex Hoppe, Isaac Coffey, and Marques Johnson (I count him as a win because he fetched a useful depth piece) still make the early returns on that pitcher crop look fine.
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Post by remmartin34 on Aug 4, 2023 14:10:37 GMT -5
CESPEDES AT #15. Love it
And Yordanny Monegro is very intriguing to me as well, based on his profile/results in Salem.
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 4, 2023 14:38:08 GMT -5
I find it interesting and would love to know the thinking behind Yohanfran Garcia ranked ahead of Cespedes. Not that I’m an authority of any sorts, but “Catcher raking in the FCL” and “shortstop raking in the DSL” sound fairly comparable to me, with preference for the former due to being a level higher. Your mileage may vary, obviously. I get it, and definitely not trying to imply it should be switched, just thought with Cespedes pedigree it might be flipped. Will be interesting to watch in the coming years.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 4, 2023 14:45:53 GMT -5
Actual Player Last Change 1 Marcelo Mayer 1 0 2 Roman Anthony 4 2 3 Miguel Bleis 2 -1 4 C. Rafaela 3 -1 5 Kyle Teel Debut 6 Nick Yorke 5 0 7 Luis Perales 7 1 8 W Gonzalez 9 2 9 N Zanetello Debut 10 Mikey Romero 8 0 11 Shane Drohan 6 -3 12 Brainer Bonaci 12 2 13 Brandon Walter 11 0 14 J Garcia 16 4 15 Y Cespedes 23 10 16 Chase Meidroth 14 0 17 Enmanuel Valdez 10 -5 18 Nathan Hickey 21 5 19 Blaze Jordan 15 -2 20 Allan Castro 24 6 21 Bryan Mata 18 -1 22 David Hamilton 22 2 23 Wilyer Abreu 20 -1 24 E Paulino 17 -5 25 Rodriguez-Cruz 19 -4 26 A Anderson Debut 27 Ryan Fernandez 26 2 28 M Alcantara 28 3 29 Y Monegro 32 6 30 Cutter Coffey 27 0 31 Luis Guerrero 25 -3 32 Hunter Dobbins 36 7 33 Alex Hoppe 41 11 34 Angel Bastardo 40 9 35 Dalton Rogers 30 -2 36 Brooks Brannon 31 -2 37 Luis Ravelo 29 -5 38 Nick Robertson Debut 39 C Troye 33 -2 40 Jedixson Paez 42 6 41 Stephen Scott 38 1 42 Niko Kavadas 34 -4 43 Grant Gambrell 55 16 44 Natanael Yuten 50 10 45 Franklin Arias 46 5 46 Phillip Sikes 39 -3 47 Matthew Lugo 35 -8 48 Isaac Coffey 56 12 49 F Encarnacion 45 0 50 Christian Koss 43 -3 51 CJ Liu 52 5 52 Tyler McDonough 53 5 53 Enderso Lira 49 0 54 K Campbell Debut 55 Justin Riemer Debut 56 Corey Rosier NR 11 57 Ryan Zeferjahn 54 3 58 Matt Duffy Debut 59 AJ Politi 48 -4 60 Nick Sogard 59 6
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 4, 2023 14:50:17 GMT -5
This is the best I can remember feeling about #1-9… we are loaded up
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Post by Guidas on Aug 4, 2023 14:52:39 GMT -5
Bleis misses essentially a year of development but he stays ahead of Rafaela, who's blasting the cover off the ball then running into the field and catching it. I know Bleis may burn brighter if he ever gets to MLB, but just curious: how is current performance and level weighted vs. potential of (far off) future performance?
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Post by fenwaydouble on Aug 4, 2023 14:55:35 GMT -5
I know a lot of it is guys jumping him and a couple new guys in the system, but ERC dropping 9 spots this year despite the very positive (on the surface) season he's had is a bit surprising. Is it just a case of what I alluded to with other guys making moves around him, or are there things in his report that don't match with the results that maybe warrant some long-term concern? Also more than a little surprised Rafaela didn't jump Bleis. I get the talent of Bleis, but given the injury and how much the SP staff has seemingly valued proximity in the past, I figured that would have been a logical jump. No other real surprises that I can tell. Marvin Alcantara holding steady gives me some hope, still love that collection of arms in the 27-35 range, a little surprised Nelly Taylor didn't crack the list, but 6 draftees feels about right. Agree on Rafaela over Bleis. Rafaela has the higher floor by far and is going to get to the show way sooner. And while the upside is crazy for Bleis, even we Rafaela skeptics have to admit that there's at least the possibility of something pretty special - something like (pre-2023) Tim Anderson with elite CF defense could be in play. Given how far away Bleis is, is it really more likely that he becomes a star than Rafaela?
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Post by remmartin34 on Aug 4, 2023 14:57:14 GMT -5
Yea I did sort of expect a Bleis and Rafaela swap, but I mean, it's ultimately neither here nor there... But wow, that top 10... I could see 7 of those guys being in the top 100 on a lot of lists by early-mid next year.. Love it!
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Post by bettsonmookie on Aug 4, 2023 15:07:27 GMT -5
I was a bit surprised at the size of the gap between Zanetello and Antonio Anderson considering how close their pre-draft rankings were, which in some cases had Anderson higher.
Obviously Zanetello receiving 2x the $ commitment Anderson did is telling, but nonetheless was expecting Anderson T20.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 4, 2023 15:10:17 GMT -5
I'll echo some others thoughts, a bit surprised Bleis is still above Rafaela. Guess I look at it as if a trade was on the table and the other team said we want Bleis or Rafaela I'd deal Bleis and not think twice. I'm also no scout and I know Bleis has all the tools in the world but he's so far away that he can still flame out and never make it whereas Rafaela seems about as safe a bet as anyone in the system to be a valuable ML player.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 4, 2023 15:32:12 GMT -5
T15 Guesses: 1. Mayer 2. Anthony 3. Bleis 4. Rafaela 5. Teel 6. Yorke 7. Perales 8. Gonzalez 9. Drohan 10. Romero 11. Zannatello 12. Valdez 13. Bonaci 14. Garcia 15. Walter Just for posterity, I wanted to give you credit - this was posted about an hour or two before the rankings. 14/15 of the right guys, top nine in the exact order, only Valdez off by more than two spots. Kudos!
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 4, 2023 15:57:38 GMT -5
T15 Guesses: 1. Mayer 2. Anthony 3. Bleis 4. Rafaela 5. Teel 6. Yorke 7. Perales 8. Gonzalez 9. Drohan 10. Romero 11. Zannatello 12. Valdez 13. Bonaci 14. Garcia 15. Walter Just for posterity, I wanted to give you credit - this was posted about an hour or two before the rankings. 14/15 of the right guys, top nine in the exact order, only Valdez off by more than two spots. Kudos! Thank you kind sir! And as always thank you to the staff for putting together the best rankings around
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 4, 2023 15:59:20 GMT -5
Just for posterity, I wanted to give you credit - this was posted about an hour or two before the rankings. 14/15 of the right guys, top nine in the exact order, only Valdez off by more than two spots. Kudos! Thank you kind sir! And as always thank you to the staff for putting together the best rankings around Subtly calling your own rankings the best because theirs matched yours, I see the game
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Aug 4, 2023 16:20:59 GMT -5
What would happen in the last month to put Rafaela ahead of Bleis? Bleis is still out for the year, Rafaela is still hitting like he's twice his size and swinging at everything.
If you think Rafaela should've been ahead of Bleis now you probably also thought that a month ago, and vice versa. I don't think anything has really changed on that front.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 4, 2023 16:29:47 GMT -5
What would happen in the last month to put Rafaela ahead of Bleis? Bleis is still out for the year, Rafaela is still hitting like he's twice his size and swinging at everything. If you think Rafaela should've been ahead of Bleis now you probably also thought that a month ago, and vice versa. I don't think anything has really changed on that front. I have to say, Rafaela's batting line of .343/.402/.696 in AAA over the last month has put a dent in my skepticism of his offensive potential. Not to say I'd move him ahead of Bleis necessarily, but I wouldn't exactly say nothing's changed either - he's dominating at the penultimate level of professional baseball.
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 4, 2023 16:52:44 GMT -5
We are STACKED!!!!!! Great job guys!
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Aug 4, 2023 17:09:58 GMT -5
Ian made a comment last month that after the top 9 it felt weak. Doesn’t feel that way at all anymore
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