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2023 National Rankings (in season)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 24, 2023 14:56:31 GMT -5
And again, it's not like other teams didn't know about his issues. Teams don't make trades based on triple slash line anymore.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 7, 2023 9:15:01 GMT -5
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jun 7, 2023 9:22:26 GMT -5
I wonder where Anthony landed. I know Pontes is huge on him at BA
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jun 9, 2023 11:09:55 GMT -5
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Post by chr31ter on Jun 12, 2023 8:19:57 GMT -5
Good stuff from Eric Longenhagen this morning: blogs.fangraphs.com/boston-red-sox-top-46-prospects-2023/This system is extremely healthy. It has a thick layer of impact talent up top, above-average overall depth, and most impressively, it is balanced and heterogenous in the types of prospects that comprise it. There are compact hitters with profiles driven by their bat-to-ball skill, projectable young pitchers, big-bonus infielders with flashy tools, older college arms whose stuff has clearly been designed in a lab — a little bit of everything. With two DSL affiliates, both of which feature a very young contingent of up-the-middle players (most of whom are 17 as of publication), there could be another wave on the way like the fun group of position players passing through Boston’s A-levels right now. This is pretty comfortably a top 10 farm system, and the Rays, Orioles and Red Sox have separated themselves from the Yankees’ and Blue Jays’ systems in a sizable way.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jun 12, 2023 8:23:13 GMT -5
Good stuff from Eric Longenhagen this morning: blogs.fangraphs.com/boston-red-sox-top-46-prospects-2023/This system is extremely healthy. It has a thick layer of impact talent up top, above-average overall depth, and most impressively, it is balanced and heterogenous in the types of prospects that comprise it. There are compact hitters with profiles driven by their bat-to-ball skill, projectable young pitchers, big-bonus infielders with flashy tools, older college arms whose stuff has clearly been designed in a lab — a little bit of everything. With two DSL affiliates, both of which feature a very young contingent of up-the-middle players (most of whom are 17 as of publication), there could be another wave on the way like the fun group of position players passing through Boston’s A-levels right now. This is pretty comfortably a top 10 farm system, and the Rays, Orioles and Red Sox have separated themselves from the Yankees’ and Blue Jays’ systems in a sizable way.The Perales and Jordan rankings may have been the most eye opening for me
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 12, 2023 8:26:34 GMT -5
Well that's a fun writeup to read as a Sox fan. The success has certainly been mixed at the ML level during Bloom's tenure but it's hard to disagree that the farm has been on a steady rise.
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Post by chr31ter on Jun 12, 2023 8:26:35 GMT -5
Alcantara in the Top 10, as well.
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Post by alan on Jun 12, 2023 9:45:40 GMT -5
The last two sentences on Yoshida’s write up are just baffling to me. It’s like Eric is trying to grasp onto anything that will make his pre-season evaluation of Yoshida look better. “I maintain that you can get this guy out by executing soft stuff down-and-away from him, and I will note that as well as Yoshida is playing, he is actually tracking beneath what the models projected for him before the season”.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 12, 2023 10:50:46 GMT -5
Cool to get all those words on the Sox prospects.
- 50 is more or less their top 100 grade, so he has 4 Sox in the top 100 (plus Casas) - Fun write up about Roman Anthony, whose unusual metrics make him one of the most interesting guys to debate in the minors. There's a very wide range of reasonable evaluations on him imo. - That little Justin Turner comparison in the Marvin Alcantara write up made me feel something - Happy to see Bastardo getting love - Strong Blalock writeup - He has Walter at 87-91 when you can just go look at Statcast and see he's at like 91-94. - "After a swoon during his late-season promotion to Greenville in 2022, Jordan is raking there to start 2023." huh?? - The list has lots of guys that either the org clearly doesn't are about or are like third tier/fourth relief prospects. So, leaving Hickey off is kind of insane. Johanfran Garcia, Luis Ravelo and Juan Chacon are mysterybox types that should definitely have made the cut imo.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 12, 2023 11:29:03 GMT -5
I'll just say that's a really fun and refreshing ranking list that I enjoyed reading a fair amount. I definitely don't agree with everything, and julyanmorley pointed out some of those things (Hickey and Ravelo off the list), but I really appreciate that he's not afraid to go against the collective grain of other industry rankings that tend to have pretty minimal variation between them. Like there's no anchoring effect at all with Longenhagen (e.g., being low on a certain guy who tends to be ranked 10-15 so then putting him at 20). He's got guys with wildly high rankings compared to the norm (e.g., Alcantara at #9, Bastardo at #11, Blalock at #17, Monegro at #25, etc), and wildly low (Hickey, Lugo, Ravelo, Kavadas not ranked, Brannon not mentioned). There's also a ton of detail across these reports at a scouting level that I appreciate and I feel like I learn some pretty interesting nuggets about a number of players in our system. On the one hand, it would be easy to bash a list as unique as this, but I have to admit, I really enjoy and look forward to the FanGraphs list.
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Post by cdj on Jun 12, 2023 11:45:43 GMT -5
He clearly puts a lot of effort into it and I appreciate that. Some good tidbits on some guys. I expect some things to be overlooked (Hickey not being listed) with him having such a heavy workload
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Post by Guidas on Jun 12, 2023 13:40:29 GMT -5
That's interesting that there are huge differences in the BA future value vs. the Fangraphs future value of Mayer (65 v. 55), Bleis (60 v. 55), Romero (55 v. 45+) and Yorke, especially, if I understand the system correctly, these are not linear from one level to the next. For instance, the WAR gap between a 55 and 50 is much larger than 50 to 45.
So, for example, Mayer having a FV of 65 from BA but a 55 from Fangraphs is a future fWAR variance of about 4.5-6.5 vs. 2.5-3.3.
It'll be fun to see how this bears out over the next 3-5 years. Also, Perales nowhere to be found in the Fangraphs rankings which seems like a significant omission.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jun 12, 2023 13:42:47 GMT -5
That's interesting that there are huge differences in the BA future value vs. the Fangraphs future value of Mayer (65 v. 55), Bleis (60 v. 55), Romero (55 v. 45+) and Yorke, especially, if I understand the system correctly, these are not linear from one level to the next. For instance, the WAR gap between a 55 and 50 is much larger than 50 to 45. So, for example, Mayer having a FV of 65 from BA but a 55 from Fangraphs is a future fWAR variance of about 4.5-6.5 vs. 2.5-3.3. It'll be fun to see how this bears out over the next 3-5 years. Also, Perales nowhere to be found in the Fangraphs rankings which seems like a significant omission. Perales is at 24
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 12, 2023 14:50:56 GMT -5
That's interesting that there are huge differences in the BA future value vs. the Fangraphs future value of Mayer (65 v. 55), Bleis (60 v. 55), Romero (55 v. 45+) and Yorke, especially, if I understand the system correctly, these are not linear from one level to the next. For instance, the WAR gap between a 55 and 50 is much larger than 50 to 45. So, for example, Mayer having a FV of 65 from BA but a 55 from Fangraphs is a future fWAR variance of about 4.5-6.5 vs. 2.5-3.3. It'll be fun to see how this bears out over the next 3-5 years. Also, Perales nowhere to be found in the Fangraphs rankings which seems like a significant omission. Not sure about BA vs. FG, but in general it seems like some lists are overall lower graders than others. MLB Pipeline for instance consistently has higher ratings overall, so I'm not sure if they actually disagree on these guys or not.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 12, 2023 14:54:52 GMT -5
That's interesting that there are huge differences in the BA future value vs. the Fangraphs future value of Mayer (65 v. 55), Bleis (60 v. 55), Romero (55 v. 45+) and Yorke, especially, if I understand the system correctly, these are not linear from one level to the next. For instance, the WAR gap between a 55 and 50 is much larger than 50 to 45. So, for example, Mayer having a FV of 65 from BA but a 55 from Fangraphs is a future fWAR variance of about 4.5-6.5 vs. 2.5-3.3. It'll be fun to see how this bears out over the next 3-5 years. Also, Perales nowhere to be found in the Fangraphs rankings which seems like a significant omission. Not sure about BA vs. FG, but in general it seems like some lists are overall lower graders than others. MLB Pipeline for instance consistently has higher ratings overall, so I'm not sure if they actually disagree on these guys or not. Yeah, Fangraphs has Bleis higher on their top 100 for instance.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 15, 2023 20:24:22 GMT -5
I'm just now catching up to the Fangraphs list, and while there are certain things that are certainly head-scratching, Longenhagen saying that Bradley Blalock has two pitches that could get MLB outs right now is probably the most shocking piece of the story that I'm surprised nobody has explicitly mentioned.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 23, 2023 13:54:22 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 25, 2023 11:20:32 GMT -5
Baseball America has Roman Anthony at #95
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 25, 2023 12:08:40 GMT -5
Damnit, I was hoping he'd stay healthy next year.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 25, 2023 21:17:01 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Jun 25, 2023 22:00:01 GMT -5
Somebody needs to clue them in, Anthony is the new Bleis!
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Post by kingstephanos on Jun 25, 2023 22:10:11 GMT -5
Perhaps the Sox can get 5 players on the top 100s by year's end.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 26, 2023 6:56:20 GMT -5
Perhaps the Sox can get 5 players on the top 100s by year's end. As has been mentioned a few times on the podcast, the draft is going to bump a lot of these guys out, so I’d say finishing with two is more likely than finishing with five (but really I think it’ll be three or four still)
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Post by kingstephanos on Jun 26, 2023 11:59:22 GMT -5
Perhaps. Though I think the helium of Roman Anthony will lead to a minimum of 3 prospects listed (including Rafaela and Mayer).
Especially because Ceddanne is now in Worcester.
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