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5/1-5/4 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 4, 2023 20:17:58 GMT -5
Can we play the Jays every game for the rest of the season.
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Post by briam on May 4, 2023 20:35:21 GMT -5
This team is awesome. Facing this lineup must feel like wrestling a grizzly bear for opposing pitchers.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 4, 2023 20:37:35 GMT -5
the division title just got a little more interesting after this series.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 4, 2023 20:41:13 GMT -5
Was out all night - came home in time to see Raffi's dinger. Great game, great series - bats are smoking. Schreiber seems back to where he was last year.
Third place in the AL east. Team BA .270, with only the Cubs (.272) and Rays (.280) ahead. 4th in HR, 4th in RBI, 2nd in hits (1 hit behind the Rays)! What's not to like about this team right now!
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on May 4, 2023 20:46:50 GMT -5
Feels like it has to be Bernardino and Brasier, but we'll see about the order. I would much prefer Brasier first even though Bernardino has options. Yeah I have a feeling too that it will be Bernardino optioned, Braiser DFA'd and Houck moving to the bullpen when Paxton is ready Braiser DFA is the only easy decision left for this roster. From here out it will be decisions that you really wish they did not have to make.
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Post by soxfaninnj on May 4, 2023 20:54:40 GMT -5
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Post by keninten on May 4, 2023 21:06:03 GMT -5
No stinking WC. The division baby.
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Post by incandenza on May 4, 2023 21:18:20 GMT -5
Red Sox now have 20 SB and only 1 CS. They seem to be doing pretty well with the new rules after all. Just need three more wins over the Blue Jays to win the season series against them; could turn out to be significant...
ADD: The Blue Jays, by the way, are only 9-12 against teams that aren't terrible (terrible teams = KC/DET/CHW/OAK/WAS/CIN/COL)
AL East standings against non-terrible teams:
Tampa Bay 9-4
Boston 16-14 New York 17-15 Baltimore 6-6 Toronto 9-12
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 4, 2023 21:30:30 GMT -5
WOW!! Jusr wow.
That was extremely impressive. I'm damn proud of them at this moment.
They faced the team that absolutely humiliated and obliterated them last year and kicked them in the balls four straight times. They took it to them. They hit like crazy, hit with power, and even ran roughshod over them.
Masataka is hitting like Wade Boggs did during his 24 HR season in 1987. Duran continues to hit and was great on the bases. Turner has been quietly effective and consistent. Raffy looks like he's busting out of his slump. McGuire finds ways to get his cheap hits - hey they count.
Even Tapia demonstrated why he is useful and belongs on the team.
The bullpen has been solid. Bernardino has been too good to send down.
Bello flashed his promise again. They have to eventually lengthen his outings.
And they won without having to use Jansen, Martin, and Winckowski, so they're still set up to extend their streak.
And they're even in 3rd place right now with a strong 19-14 record. They look a lot better than last year. I'm not ready to print world series tickets, but I'm believing in this team a lot more. They need to stabilize their rotation and hopefully still be able to add Houck to the pen.
But last year's team could never have done what they just did these past four games. That's why I never believed in them last year and that's why I do this year now.
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Post by GyIantosca on May 4, 2023 21:43:08 GMT -5
We also faced there 3 best pitchers
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 4, 2023 21:43:11 GMT -5
Yeah I have a feeling too that it will be Bernardino optioned, Braiser DFA'd and Houck moving to the bullpen when Paxton is ready Braiser DFA is the only easy decision left for this roster. From here out it will be decisions that you really wish they did not have to make. yeah, good point on this. If/when Brasier goes, Whitlock replaces him. Then...who or what of the pitchers? Where will Paxton or Rodriguez fit? And as for the bats - the chemistry is really good - so it is a group that shouldn't be tinkered with at all (as long as they play like this!). Dalbec may not see another game on the Sox - at some point, it would be fun to have a look at Hamilton. But I think we have what we have - and that's just fine.
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Post by rhswanzey on May 4, 2023 22:04:43 GMT -5
I hate being that guy throwing a little cold water on a great story, but the first outing really was shaky, and he had a lot of help from Verdugo to escape unscathed. That’s not to say he wasn’t really impressive pitching three days in a row after that initial appearance. But I do think the takes about him being too good to send down might be premature. His very short season looks considerably different if the first appearance went differently. He’s a useful shuttle arm with options, which as covered on the most recent podcast, is something the org is pretty short on in Worcester.
There’s probably not enough incentive to do something besides push decisions as far out as possible, at this stage of the season. You’re ultimately going to need both his and Brasier’s spots anyway. We‘re not deep enough on relief depth to DFA first, option second.
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Post by joemayosparty on May 4, 2023 22:05:23 GMT -5
In the words of noted social critic Chuck Berry, "You can't stop the train, you've got to let it roll on". Great series win.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 4, 2023 22:10:40 GMT -5
I hate being that guy throwing a little cold water on a great story, but the first outing really was shaky, and he had a lot of help from Verdugo to escape unscathed. That’s not to say he wasn’t really impressive pitching three days in a row after that initial appearance. But I do think the takes about him being too good to send down might be premature. His very short season looks considerably different if the first appearance went differently. He’s a useful shuttle arm with options, which as covered on the most recent podcast, is something the org is pretty short on in Worcester. There’s probably not enough incentive to do something besides push decisions as far out as possible, at this stage of the season. You’re ultimately going to need both his and Brasier’s spots anyway. We‘re not deep enough on relief depth to DFA first, option second. I'm not trying to imply that he's necessarily LH bullpen solution long term but at this point I think he's been too good to send down. He doing a good job. I'm in no hurry to swap him out for Joely Rodriguez and at this point I'd certainly keep him over Brasier.
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Post by rhswanzey on May 4, 2023 22:23:34 GMT -5
I won’t mind this being a bad take in 2 or 3 weeks!
If our guy has a 4ish ERA in 5.2ip instead of a 0 ERA, I think we’d be satisfied to have gotten any positive contributions here, but it would color perception of how secure that roster spot is. The difference between these two things is one hell of a catch by the foul line by Verdugo, no?
Man, if that drops in, and Schrieber comes in and gives up a hit or two tonight, we’re actually talking about the difference between 0 and ~6.
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Post by scottysmalls on May 4, 2023 22:31:24 GMT -5
The Red Sox might just be really good. It’s a different way to win every night right now and it’s really fun to watch. Yoshida has to be an early odds leader for fan favorite free agent since at least Napoli right?
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Post by yuchangclan on May 4, 2023 23:10:23 GMT -5
Great call! He almost had 2….
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 4, 2023 23:28:28 GMT -5
I won’t mind this being a bad take in 2 or 3 weeks! If our guy has a 4ish ERA in 5.2ip instead of a 0 ERA, I think we’d be satisfied to have gotten any positive contributions here, but it would color perception of how secure that roster spot is. The difference between these two things is one hell of a catch by the foul line by Verdugo, no? Man, if that drops in, and Schrieber comes in and gives up a hit or two tonight, we’re actually talking about the difference between 0 and ~6. I think you're reading way too much into my comments about Bernardino. I'm not talking about 2 or 3 weeks, I'm talking about now. He's doing a good job now whether Verdugo makes that catch or not. He's coming into games and not getting lit up or walking the ballpark. I'm saying give the guy a little more run. Give him a chance to fail. It's nice to have 2 viable lefties in the pen right now, key words, right now. At this moment. If Paxton is ready, dump Brasier. I suspect by then he might start struggling or somebody will get hurt and the roster space might be there a little longer. I'm not a big fan of Rodriguez because of his track record of not consistently throwing strikes. So in that particular case I'm open to seeing if Benardino pitches better than Rodriguez, but either way, yeah if Paxton and Whitlock are ready, sure he loses his spot, but when are those guys ever healthy anyways? All I'm saying is that I've been more impressed with a 31 year old journeyman minor league reliever than I thought I'd be. I've seen Cora use him in big spots and he responded coming in throwing strikes and being competitive. That can change in an instant, but for now, he's done nothing to deserve to be sent down.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on May 4, 2023 23:56:21 GMT -5
I won’t mind this being a bad take in 2 or 3 weeks! If our guy has a 4ish ERA in 5.2ip instead of a 0 ERA, I think we’d be satisfied to have gotten any positive contributions here, but it would color perception of how secure that roster spot is. The difference between these two things is one hell of a catch by the foul line by Verdugo, no? Man, if that drops in, and Schrieber comes in and gives up a hit or two tonight, we’re actually talking about the difference between 0 and ~6. I think you're reading way too much into my comments about Bernardino. I'm not talking about 2 or 3 weeks, I'm talking about now. He's doing a good job now whether Verdugo makes that catch or not. He's coming into games and not getting lit up or walking the ballpark. I'm saying give the guy a little more run. Give him a chance to fail. It's nice to have 2 viable lefties in the pen right now, key words, right now. At this moment. If Paxton is ready, dump Brasier. I suspect by then he might start struggling or somebody will get hurt and the roster space might be there a little longer. I'm not a big fan of Rodriguez because of his track record of not consistently throwing strikes. So in that particular case I'm open to seeing if Benardino pitches better than Rodriguez, but either way, yeah if Paxton and Whitlock are ready, sure he loses his spot, but when are those guys ever healthy anyways? All I'm saying is that I've been more impressed with a 31 year old journeyman minor league reliever than I thought I'd be. I've seen Cora use him in big spots and he responded coming in throwing strikes and being competitive. That can change in an instant, but for now, he's done nothing to deserve to be sent down. To kinda tie a bow on this convo, Paxton's 30 day IL stint is over May 8th, so he's absolutely coming up next week. Optioning Bernardino is likely the countermove and having Houck slide into the pen to make room for Paxton in the rotation.
Whether you like Joely or not, he signed a big league contract and will absolutely be part of the pen once he has 2-3 more rehab appearances in the minors. It's then we will finally see the glorious day of Braiser being DFA'd to make room for him.
I have no doubt Bernardino will be back. Unfortunately it's only a matter of time when a bullpen arm will the hit IL.
The harder roster decision comes when Whitlock is healthy. The only route I see right now is optioning Bello which really irks me as he's shown good stuff and really, really needs the big league experience.
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Post by keninten on May 5, 2023 0:07:35 GMT -5
Time to trade Kluber for a AAA SS.😁
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Post by notstarboard on May 5, 2023 8:16:39 GMT -5
I hate being that guy throwing a little cold water on a great story, but the first outing really was shaky, and he had a lot of help from Verdugo to escape unscathed. That’s not to say he wasn’t really impressive pitching three days in a row after that initial appearance. But I do think the takes about him being too good to send down might be premature. His very short season looks considerably different if the first appearance went differently. He’s a useful shuttle arm with options, which as covered on the most recent podcast, is something the org is pretty short on in Worcester. There’s probably not enough incentive to do something besides push decisions as far out as possible, at this stage of the season. You’re ultimately going to need both his and Brasier’s spots anyway. We‘re not deep enough on relief depth to DFA first, option second. I think you're entirely right that they will option, then DFA. I'm just so sick of watching Brasier pitch that I'm allowing myself to hope
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Post by rhswanzey on May 5, 2023 10:45:45 GMT -5
And Bello might be before Brasier, too, since they won’t need a 5th starter for a couple of weeks. I don’t disagree on that being frustrating, but I hope they are figuring out a solution to the finger issue.
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Post by okin15 on May 5, 2023 11:17:35 GMT -5
The Red Sox might just be really good. It’s a different way to win every night right now and it’s really fun to watch. Really enjoying watching this. Prior to this series, the mark against the Sox was the series losses to O's and Rays. Now that they've evened up their results vs the ALEast, I feel like their record reflects who they are (give or take).
Even going into the week, their only series losses were against the top three teams in the bigs (Braves have since climbed past the O's and Pirates.)
Now lets see if they can keep it up!
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