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5/12-5/14 Red Sox vs. Cardinals Series Thread
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 11, 2023 9:34:23 GMT -5
5/12 Red Sox (LHP James Paxton, 2-3, 6.23, 21.2 IP, 26K:16BB*) vs. Cardinals (RHP Adam Wainwright, 0-0, 7.20, 5.0IP, 5K:0BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 5/13 Red Sox (LHP Chris Sale, 3-2, 6.37, 35.1 IP, 45K:11BB) vs. Cardinals (LHP Steven Matz, 0-4, 5.70, 36.1 IP, 33K:15BB) 4:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 5/14 Red Sox (RHP Corey Kluber, 2-4, 6.29, 34.1 IP, 28K:12BB) vs. Cardinals (RHP Miles Mikolas, 1-1, 5.40, 41.2 IP, 41K:12BB) 7:10 pm ET, ESPN/WEEI *AAA stats shownMLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2023: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 11, 2023 10:17:04 GMT -5
Time capsule.
If this was 5 years ago we'd be thinking one of the best staffs in baseball history. That would rival long ago Braves, Dodgers, Orioles and my favorite, Indians.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 10:39:02 GMT -5
Cardinals are last in the NL - 8 games out of the NL Central behind PIT/MIL, 6.5 currently back in the NL Wild Card. If we sweep them this weekend, is that as close to a dagger as you're going to get for hoped-to-be-a-contender in mid-May?
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Post by GyIantosca on May 11, 2023 10:46:01 GMT -5
I may be wrong but Matz does good against us.
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Post by seamus on May 11, 2023 11:01:51 GMT -5
Feels like a make-or-break start for Kluber. If he can't post a good outing against the Cardinals, you have to start wondering if he'll be the odd man out.
I never expect a sweep and will be fine with just a series win... but it really feels like there are 3 wins for the taking. Hoping we get good Paxton and Raffy busts out.
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Post by incandenza on May 11, 2023 11:08:41 GMT -5
Cardinals are last in the NL - 8 games out of the NL Central behind PIT/MIL, 6.5 currently back in the NL Wild Card. If we sweep them this weekend, is that as close to a dagger as you're going to get for hoped-to-be-a-contender in mid-May? Geez, no one wants to win that division. The Brewers have lost 8 of their last 10, Pirates have lost 9 of 10, Cubs have lost 12 of 18. Each of those teams has big question marks. I would dearly love a full on Cardinals collapse but that division makes it tough. |
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Post by ematz1423 on May 11, 2023 11:20:06 GMT -5
Cardinals record is real ugly but does anyone actually buy the Pirates over the course of a season? The Cubs are decent but could easily see the Cardinals passing them by July. The Reds aren't good either. I think the Brewers are probably better than they've been playing, especially if Woodruff comes back healthy at some point in the next few months. Would not surprise me if the Cardinals start stringing together enough wins to make a run back into that division.
It's been said before but boy both the AL & NL Central divisions are dreadful.
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Post by scottysmalls on May 11, 2023 11:39:33 GMT -5
Jays play the Braves, Yankees play the Rays and Orioles play the Pirates this weekend. Red Sox might have a chance to pick up some games on most of the division if they can take care of business.
Lines I'm most interested in tracking: Paxton's first start, Casas' continued rise, is Sale fully back
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Post by scottysmalls on May 11, 2023 11:44:50 GMT -5
If the Cardinals don't turn it around some interesting trade candidates: Montgomery and Stratton are obvious ones, but Goldschmidt is an interesting wild card. One more year left at a pretty good value, though still expensive, and he still rakes. I could get interested in a Red Sox trade for him if Turner and/or Casas are hurt or struggling.
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Post by incandenza on May 11, 2023 11:46:35 GMT -5
Jays play the Braves, Yankees play the Rays and Orioles play the Pirates this weekend. Red Sox might have a chance to pick up some games on most of the division if they can take care of business. Lines I'm most interested in tracking: Paxton's first start, Casas' continued rise, is Sale fully back It'll also be interesting to see how they pitch to Yoshida and how he responds. After crushing fastballs for a couple weeks the Braves threw him a bunch of curveballs and he looked all out of sorts.
Also he hasn't drawn a walk in the last six games.
And of course I am excited to see Casas continue his on-base streak!!! He's hitting .180/.370/.344 since it began, a 106 wRC+
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Post by scottysmalls on May 11, 2023 12:13:49 GMT -5
If the Cardinals don't turn it around some interesting trade candidates: Montgomery and Stratton are obvious ones, but Goldschmidt is an interesting wild card. One more year left at a pretty good value, though still expensive, and he still rakes. I could get interested in a Red Sox trade for him if Turner and/or Casas are hurt or struggling. I like it. Who you giving up to get him? He'd definitely be pretty expensive given the 1.5 years you'd be getting. Would something like Pivetta/Rafaela/Walter/Valdez package do it, I'm not sure. Maybe if Rafaela has started to hit well by and Pivetta is pitching like a 4. |
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Post by incandenza on May 11, 2023 12:22:06 GMT -5
I like it. Who you giving up to get him? He'd definitely be pretty expensive given the 1.5 years you'd be getting. Would something like Pivetta/Rafaela/Walter/Valdez package do it, I'm not sure. Maybe if Rafaela has started to hit well by and Pivetta is pitching like a 4. I don't see them getting Goldschmidt for anything less than Casas+. |
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on May 11, 2023 12:27:34 GMT -5
Finally, The Paxton experiment reaches the Sox debut phase. I would also think that Joely Rodriquez will make his Sox debut this weekend. The pitching staff is getting very close to that difficult decision when there are 14 pitchers for 13 slots. And 7 of them are starters !
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Post by scottysmalls on May 11, 2023 12:28:41 GMT -5
He'd definitely be pretty expensive given the 1.5 years you'd be getting. Would something like Pivetta/Rafaela/Walter/Valdez package do it, I'm not sure. Maybe if Rafaela has started to hit well by and Pivetta is pitching like a 4. I don't see them getting Goldschmidt for anything less than Casas+. Yeah probably not and I don't think the Red Sox should do that so probably a pipe dream, but man would he rake at Fenway. |
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Post by ematz1423 on May 11, 2023 12:37:34 GMT -5
He'd definitely be pretty expensive given the 1.5 years you'd be getting. Would something like Pivetta/Rafaela/Walter/Valdez package do it, I'm not sure. Maybe if Rafaela has started to hit well by and Pivetta is pitching like a 4. I don't see them getting Goldschmidt for anything less than Casas+. Might be right and Goldy would be the RHH perfect fit for the lineup but no way would I give up Casas for the next 5+ years for 1.5 of Goldy. |
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 11, 2023 13:16:10 GMT -5
There is a trade subforum for this sort of thing...
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Post by incandenza on May 11, 2023 13:21:53 GMT -5
Duran and Duvall have combined for 2.5 WAR in 30 games. The major league leader in WAR is Wander Franco, at 2.3.
I know someone posts something like this every few days but it's still amazing to me.
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Post by ianrs on May 11, 2023 13:55:04 GMT -5
Small aside
I did not see Kenley Jansen de-aging a decade and starting to pump 99 MPH fastballs with a wipeout slider again. What a signing.
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Post by redsoxpride34 on May 11, 2023 14:02:23 GMT -5
Can't help but wonder how much longer David Hamilton is going to be stuck in AAA despite putting up big numbers. .305 avg, .943 ops, 7 hr's, 20 sb's in 30 games. Meanwhile Kiké Hernandez is hitting .239 with a .658 ops, nearly as many k's as hits and 8 errors at ss. Good for a -0.2 war. We also have bobby dalbec on the major league roster when he's whiffing nearly 40% of the time in AAA. I get the need for righty bats, but doesn't matter if those bats suck.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on May 11, 2023 14:10:12 GMT -5
Can't help but wonder how much longer David Hamilton is going to be stuck in AAA despite putting up big numbers. .305 avg, .943 ops, 7 hr's, 20 sb's in 30 games. Meanwhile Kiké Hernandez is hitting .239 with a .658 ops, nearly as many k's as hits and 8 errors at ss. Good for a -0.2 war. We also have bobby dalbec on the major league roster when he's whiffing nearly 40% of the time in AAA. I get the need for righty bats, but doesn't matter if those bats suck. If you think that Hamilton would hit better than .240, and play a better SS than Hernandez right now (he's been damn good lately), I think you'd be quite disappointed with the results if he got the call up |
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Post by cdj on May 11, 2023 15:07:02 GMT -5
Kikés been fine at the plate since the slow start. The glove has started to come around a little too
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Post by ematz1423 on May 11, 2023 15:12:06 GMT -5
I think Hamilton would add some value to an MLB roster, maybe even the Sox at some point this year but yea I don't really see the need to call for him to be on the roster right now. He doesn't sound like an ML caliber SS and Valdez probably offers more value right now as a 2nd base only LHH.
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Post by shagworthy on May 11, 2023 15:50:26 GMT -5
Can't help but wonder how much longer David Hamilton is going to be stuck in AAA despite putting up big numbers. .305 avg, .943 ops, 7 hr's, 20 sb's in 30 games. Meanwhile Kiké Hernandez is hitting .239 with a .658 ops, nearly as many k's as hits and 8 errors at ss. Good for a -0.2 war. We also have bobby dalbec on the major league roster when he's whiffing nearly 40% of the time in AAA. I get the need for righty bats, but doesn't matter if those bats suck. If you think that Hamilton would hit better than .240, and play a better SS than Hernandez right now (he's been damn good lately), I think you'd be quite disappointed with the results if he got the call up for the record, Kiké is fine, but Cora needs to stop batting him up in the order. Him @ 5 kills me, and the team. I don't know what Cora sees in him as a hitter that allows him to keep putting him in higher leverage situations than are really warranted. But hey, this is nitpicking, and I certainly didn't think this club would be +500, I thought they would be exactly 500 at this point and I have been pleasantly surprised by Duran and Valdez, and hell, even Tapia getting in on the action with key pinch hits. Team has some chops. As for Hamilton, I wouldn't mind seeing him get some time in the majors, even if it's just initially to spell Kiké or a late game PR opportunity. This is the problem we always face with prospects, a few years ago all of us couldn't wait to see Duran in Boston, and when he got here he was overmatched and non-confident. There is always going to be a component of that, hell, if I remember correctly Mo Vaughn scuffled so much they sent him back down for some time and he turned out to have a pretty good career. At this point I think Hamilton's speed is alone > then Dalbec's potential for power so for me it's a weird fit to carry Dalbec in the majors, he's scoring on something absurd like 30% of his ABs. For a team that sometimes runs into outs in big moments, that's a good skill to have in the tool shed. |
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Post by shagworthy on May 11, 2023 15:54:57 GMT -5
If you think that Hamilton would hit better than .240, and play a better SS than Hernandez right now (he's been damn good lately), I think you'd be quite disappointed with the results if he got the call up for the record, Kiké is fine, but Cora needs to stop batting him up in the order. Him @ 5 kills me, and the team. I don't know what Cora sees in him as a hitter that allows him to keep putting him in higher leverage situations than are really warranted. But hey, this is nitpicking, and I certainly didn't think this club would be +500, I thought they would be exactly 500 at this point and I have been pleasantly surprised by Duran and Valdez, and hell, even Tapia getting in on the action with key pinch hits. Team has some chops. As for Hamilton, I wouldn't mind seeing him get some time in the majors, even if it's just initially to spell Kiké or a late game PR opportunity. This is the problem we always face with prospects, a few years ago all of us couldn't wait to see Duran in Boston, and when he got here he was overmatched and non-confident. There is always going to be a component of that, hell, if I remember correctly Mo Vaughn scuffled so much they sent him back down for some time and he turned out to have a pretty good career. At this point I think Hamilton's speed is alone > then Dalbec's potential for power so for me it's a weird fit to carry Dalbec in the majors, he's scoring on something absurd like 30% of his ABs. For a team that sometimes runs into outs in big moments, that's a good skill to have in the tool shed. I mean, to expand, if you told me no one in our starting rotation would have a sub 5 era to this point and 4 of the 6 would be 6+... and yet still somehow unfathomably in striking distance in the division. |
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Post by redsoxpride34 on May 11, 2023 16:00:06 GMT -5
Can't help but wonder how much longer David Hamilton is going to be stuck in AAA despite putting up big numbers. .305 avg, .943 ops, 7 hr's, 20 sb's in 30 games. Meanwhile Kiké Hernandez is hitting .239 with a .658 ops, nearly as many k's as hits and 8 errors at ss. Good for a -0.2 war. We also have bobby dalbec on the major league roster when he's whiffing nearly 40% of the time in AAA. I get the need for righty bats, but doesn't matter if those bats suck. If you think that Hamilton would hit better than .240, and play a better SS than Hernandez right now (he's been damn good lately), I think you'd be quite disappointed with the results if he got the call up Wouldn't it make sense to at least find out? We know what Kiké Hernandez is at this point in his career. No upside there. Super utility guy on a good team. Career .239 avg, .729 ops. Let the young guy play and see if what he's doing in AAA translates. |
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