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Post by vermontsox1 on May 14, 2023 22:06:50 GMT -5
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Post by taiwansox on May 14, 2023 22:09:36 GMT -5
Does that leave just Devers and Sale from 2018?
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Post by GyIantosca on May 14, 2023 22:11:04 GMT -5
Oh no, he deserves more chances, he was Turing a corner, instead of 5 runs, he cut it down to 3 runs.
I think Rodriguez is coming up.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 14, 2023 22:11:10 GMT -5
Does that leave just Devers and Sale from 2018? Yes |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 14, 2023 22:11:41 GMT -5
The long national nightmare is over.
Thank you for 2018. And not for much else afterward.
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Post by GyIantosca on May 14, 2023 22:14:25 GMT -5
The long national nightmare is over. Thank you for 2018. And not for much else afterward. He was a great story that year but he is a jag. Why did they think he was more. They found a diamond in the ruff one year. Back to being a piece of coal. No shame in that. That’s the relief game for 75% of the guys. Maybe less. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 14, 2023 22:17:56 GMT -5
The long national nightmare is over. Thank you for 2018. And not for much else afterward. He was a great story that year but he is a jag. Why did they think he was more. They found a diamond in the ruff one year. Back to being a piece of coal. No shame in that. That’s the relief game for 75% of the guys. Maybe less. At least he was good when it really mattered, in 2018. Would have been nice if he was better in the post season in 2021, but yeah, when they reunite the 2018 team, he's a part of that, so that is something, more than a lot of other guys can say. But yeah, they hung on to him, way, way too long. |
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Post by julyanmorley on May 14, 2023 22:28:51 GMT -5
11 years in the minors, finally makes it at and contributes to one of the all time great teams. Hung around long enough to make some pretty good cash. Well done.
He had a 5-1 strikeout to walk ratio last year and his stuff was good, it shouldn't have been a mystery why they kept him around despite the bad ERA. But he fell off this season and its time to go.
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Post by rhswanzey on May 14, 2023 22:36:13 GMT -5
If you weigh K/9 and BB/9 heavily - as every predictive pitching model does, and should - but excuse away H/9 and HR/9, you’re going to get a list of pitchers that includes guys who truly have had some poor luck on balls in play, due to defense and soft contact and whatever else. And it’ll also include guys who are experiencing hard contact and a high hit rate because that’s the combination of stuff and command that they have. Three true outcomes never really made sense; pitchers of different body types throw different pitches at different speeds and movement rates, but we should expect all of the contact rates to be more or less the same in between them all? You can’t scout stat lines.
Even after tonight, Brasier’s got a decent FIP of 4.38, nearly three full runs below his ERA.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 14, 2023 22:45:25 GMT -5
11 years in the minors, finally makes it at and contributes to one of the all time great teams. Hung around long enough to make some pretty good cash. Well done. He had a 5-1 strikeout to walk ratio last year and his stuff was good, it shouldn't have been a mystery why they kept him around despite the bad ERA. But he fell off this season and its time to go. It also wasn't surprising he was awful. How many of us wondered why the hell they kept him. We didn't wonder because we thought he was going to pitch well. I know I shouldn't speak for others, only myself, but I know my voice wasn't the only one that didn't think Brasier would succeed in 2023. He gives up hard constant contact. And that continued. Yes, he limited the walks, etc, but he still gave up HRs and got hit all over the ballpark. Somehow the indicators kind of missed that. The scouting eyes here could see that he simply doesn't get guys out consistently. And that continued on in 2023. |
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Post by soxfaninnj on May 14, 2023 22:51:04 GMT -5
Can’t believe it really happened!! Hopefully we can trade him if not for a lottery ticket for some salary relief
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 14, 2023 23:03:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the great contributions, Ryan. Best of luck with what happens next.
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Post by incandenza on May 14, 2023 23:05:56 GMT -5
11 years in the minors, finally makes it at and contributes to one of the all time great teams. Hung around long enough to make some pretty good cash. Well done. He had a 5-1 strikeout to walk ratio last year and his stuff was good, it shouldn't have been a mystery why they kept him around despite the bad ERA. But he fell off this season and its time to go. It also wasn't surprising he was awful. How many of us wondered why the hell they kept him. We didn't wonder because we thought he was going to pitch well. I know I shouldn't speak for others, only myself, but I know my voice wasn't the only one that didn't think Brasier would succeed in 2023. He gives up hard constant contact. And that continued. Yes, he limited the walks, etc, but he still gave up HRs and got hit all over the ballpark. Somehow the indicators kind of missed that. The scouting eyes here could see that he simply doesn't get guys out consistently. And that continued on in 2023. It's not like hard contact is some abstruse factor the metrics can't capture. Even xERA, which would take hardness of contact into account, had him at 3.97 last season, almost two runs below his ERA. It's not mysterious why they kept him around; he had a shot at being a serviceable reliever on the cheap. But all the peripheral numbers are much worse this year. Maybe he just got old.
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Post by cdj on May 14, 2023 23:20:54 GMT -5
thanks for the Gary Sanchez moment, that was truly awesome
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Post by cdj on May 14, 2023 23:32:30 GMT -5
I imagine this is for Joely
Maybe this allows us to use Joely against other teams LHH and use Bleier to get grounders.
SSS but LHH are torching Bleier and RHH can’t hit him this season. And honestly given his arsenal that reverse split makes sense to me. Just seems like it would play better against RHH (sinker/changeup). Make him lefty badenhop
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Post by manfred on May 14, 2023 23:41:10 GMT -5
Ok, call me a softy, but I feel bad for him. Yeah, he wasn’t great… or especially good… but he has been here a while, he kept grinding, and he often took one for the team.
I’m obviously not saying I am against the move, but I’m also not dancing on his grave.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on May 14, 2023 23:48:34 GMT -5
Something had to give, he got pounded far too often and that couldn't have been good for him either. A change is best for all.
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Post by cdj on May 14, 2023 23:54:38 GMT -5
just don’t let him get to Tampa
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Post by GyIantosca on May 15, 2023 0:17:14 GMT -5
Yeah I know he goes to Tampa and becomes a shut down closer.
But AC and the FO were very patient with him. Every time he did a little better he got higher leverage jobs. I don’t think another reliever would of gotten the same opportunities so they were really rooting for him.
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Post by orion09 on May 15, 2023 1:20:40 GMT -5
We’ll always have 2018
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on May 15, 2023 2:51:08 GMT -5
2018 was great. Brasier was a big part of it. But I'm glad that they finally came to this conclusion.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 15, 2023 3:52:42 GMT -5
A career plus for the Sox but a long overdue move.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 15, 2023 6:27:45 GMT -5
It also wasn't surprising he was awful. How many of us wondered why the hell they kept him. We didn't wonder because we thought he was going to pitch well. I know I shouldn't speak for others, only myself, but I know my voice wasn't the only one that didn't think Brasier would succeed in 2023. He gives up hard constant contact. And that continued. Yes, he limited the walks, etc, but he still gave up HRs and got hit all over the ballpark. Somehow the indicators kind of missed that. The scouting eyes here could see that he simply doesn't get guys out consistently. And that continued on in 2023. It's not like hard contact is some abstruse factor the metrics can't capture. Even xERA, which would take hardness of contact into account, had him at 3.97 last season, almost two runs below his ERA. It's not mysterious why they kept him around; he had a shot at being a serviceable reliever on the cheap. But all the peripheral numbers are much worse this year. Maybe he just got old.
The "metrics" can always capture what they want but cant s eem to explain why the reality of how he pitched doesnt line up with whatever it calculates. Makes me question how accurate the metric is. Eithe way, the reality of how he pitches from the eye test in his case turned out to be more reliable than what virtual world had to say. It does happen sometimes. Brasier getting torched wasn't that hard to predict, regardless of what that metric said. The reality of his pitching, aka the actual results, have been bad for awhile. From what me eyes saw, I dont think luck had a helluva lot to do with it, but I guess to each their own. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 15, 2023 6:41:13 GMT -5
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 15, 2023 8:22:10 GMT -5
Ok, call me a softy, but I feel bad for him. Yeah, he wasn’t great… or especially good… but he has been here a while, he kept grinding, and he often took one for the team. I’m obviously not saying I am against the move, but I’m also not dancing on his grave.  |
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