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6/19-6/22 Red Sox @ Twins Series Thread
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Post by ramireja on Jun 17, 2023 12:39:10 GMT -5
6/19 Red Sox (LHP James Paxton, 2-1, 3.09, 32.0 IP, 44K:10BB) @ Twins (RHP Pablo Lopez, 3-3, 4.27, 84.1 IP, 101K:23BB) 7:40 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 6/20 Red Sox (RHP Kutter Crawford, 1-3, 4.20, 40.2 IP, 41K:9BB) @ Twins (RHP Bailey Ober, 4-3, 2.65, 57.2 IP, 54K:14BB) 7:40 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 6/21 Red Sox (RHP Garrett Whitlock, 4-2, 4.38, 39.0 IP, 33K:7BB) @ Twins (RHP Sonny Gray, 4-1, 2.37, 76.0 IP, 79K:30BB) 7:40 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 6/22 Red Sox (TBD) @ Twins (RHP Joe Ryan, 7-4, 3.30, 84.2 IP, 91K:15BB) 1:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2023: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by incandenza on Jun 19, 2023 9:49:32 GMT -5
I object to some of these Twins' starters ERAs.
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Post by station13 on Jun 19, 2023 11:01:08 GMT -5
I object to some of these Twins' starters ERAs. I object to the Twins' existence completely. Sweep these clowns and make ignominy of them as a team with a losing record to make the playoff. |
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Post by yuchangclan on Jun 19, 2023 11:04:16 GMT -5
I like seeing Paxton & Crawford lined up, while knowing that the Sox also had Paxton Crawford.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 19, 2023 11:09:22 GMT -5
I object to some of these Twins' starters ERAs. It's almost like they've discovered the Astros' secret sauce for pitching over there. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 19, 2023 11:12:52 GMT -5
I like seeing Paxton & Crawford lined up, while knowing that the Sox also had Paxton Crawford. Hopefully they don’t fall on a broken bottle off of the bed |
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Post by Canseco on Jun 19, 2023 11:14:08 GMT -5
I like seeing Paxton & Crawford lined up, while knowing that the Sox also had Paxton Crawford. I remember his debut. Gosh. Didn’t he have a little bit of hoopla around him? I seem to remember either hype or a hot start with Paxton Crawford. |
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Post by incandenza on Jun 19, 2023 11:16:22 GMT -5
I object to some of these Twins' starters ERAs. It's almost like they've discovered the Astros' secret sauce for pitching over there. I think their secret sauce might be that every other team in their division is 25th or worse in the majors in offense (wRC+). |
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Post by station13 on Jun 19, 2023 14:37:05 GMT -5
Minnesota Twins
1. Donovan Solano (R) 1B
2. Edouard Julien (L) 2B
3. Byron Buxton (R) DH
4. Carlos Correa (R) SS
5. Alex Kirilloff (L) RF
6. Willi Castro (S) CF
7. Kyle Farmer (R) 3B
8. Joey Gallo (L) LF
9. Christian Vazquez (R) C
Red Sox yet to post its lineup. Team is probably just landing at the airport
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jun 19, 2023 15:08:29 GMT -5
I like seeing Paxton & Crawford lined up, while knowing that the Sox also had Paxton Crawford. Hopefully they don’t fall on a broken bottle off of the bed Don't forget the hooker (allegedly) who helped. Thats a very important part of the Paxton Crawford journey. |
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Post by Guidas on Jun 19, 2023 16:16:30 GMT -5
Minnesota Twins 1. Donovan Solano (R) 1B 2. Edouard Julien (L) 2B 3. Byron Buxton (R) DH 4. Carlos Correa (R) SS 5. Alex Kirilloff (L) RF 6. Willi Castro (S) CF 7. Kyle Farmer (R) 3B 8. Joey Gallo (L) LF 9. Christian Vazquez (R) C Red Sox yet to post its lineup. Team is probably just landing at the airport Duran LF Verdugo RF Devers 3B Duvall CF Yoshida DH Arroyo 2B Casas 1B Wong C Reyes SS |
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 19, 2023 16:35:51 GMT -5
Keep playing Duran vs all the RHP please.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 19, 2023 16:43:35 GMT -5
Who do we expect to go in game 4? Options I could think of: Kluber, Pivetta, Murphy, bullpen game, Walter. I guess I'd expect Pivetta to start and aim for like 3 innings but I haven't looked too closely at it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 19, 2023 17:10:42 GMT -5
If Cora is doing to lead off Duran why can't he swap Verdugo and Yoshida in the batting order?
Yoshida should be their 2nd place in the lineup hitter.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jun 19, 2023 17:40:45 GMT -5
I like seeing Paxton & Crawford lined up, while knowing that the Sox also had Paxton Crawford. Hopefully they don’t fall on a broken bottle off of the bed This deserves first-prize in the clever category. |
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jun 19, 2023 17:50:46 GMT -5
If Cora is foing to lead off Duran why can't he swap Verdugo and Yoshida in the batting order? Yoshida should be their 2nd place in the lineup hitter. I don't particularly like Duran leading off tonght. Lopez is a big strikeout guy, 4th in the AL. Duran has struck out 18 times more than Dougie in 93 less ABs. Not a great formula for a spot that you would hope the guy would start and/ or keep a run producing inning going. In any event, if Duran is going to lead off, Dougie and Masa are both excellent choices for the #2. |
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 19, 2023 18:05:09 GMT -5
Today's collection of fun facts:
1) While the Sox were going 4-0 over a 5-day span, their 6 rivals for three the wild cards collectively went 10-18. They gained 4 games on the 0-4 Yanks, 3.5 on the 1-4 Astros, 2.5 on the 2-3 O's and Jays, 2 on the 2-2 Mariners, and 1.5 on the 3-2 Angels.
As a result, the Sox are now just 2 games behind the 3rd WC with 90 games left to play. This seems like an impossible hurdle to overcome. They've played the 3rd toughest schedule in MLB and are 10-4 against the two teams with the toughest (Jays and Yanks).
2) After the offense put up a disappointing .320 xwOBA while going 14-21 from May 5 to June 13, they rocked out a fabulous .322 while winning 4 straight.
The joker in this deck is of course the fact that wOBA - xwOBA, "karma" as I like to call it, is a real skill. We went from .320 / .309 to .322 .403 Some of this was mostly luck -- McGuire was .056 / .443 -- but a lot looked like skill. Yoshida had the next biggest karma split, .474 / .732, and a large part of that seemed to be taking outside pitches off the wall for Fenway doubles.
3) Most meaningful standings!
A quick refresh: the difference between BaseRuns Wins and actual Wins is real but not predictive. Based on a lot of of data I've looked at, it's clear that team offensive karma ("clutch") is both real and streaky. Teams collectively press or relax.
Karma is what's called a state variable rather than a trait variable. A team can be hugely "clutch" in the first half and terrible in the second. The O's may look like a powerhouse, but the schedule has handed them a win and good karma has snagged them 3 more. They have a -1 due for the former and the latter projects to zero. And the three extra wins they have in hand can be erased very quickly if they go into a recent-Sox-like funk.
There is definitely rounding errors in FG's separate Pyth Wins and BaseRun wins, in that at present there are two fewer of the former than there are actual wins, and 1 more of the latter. So let's just go to two decimal points for Schedule-Adjusted BaseRuns standings.
.68 Rays .67 Rangers .565 Twins
.55 Blue Jays .55 Red Sox .54 Angels .53 Orioles .53 Yankees .52 Astros .51 Mariners
The span from Jays to Mariners amounts to less than 3 wins.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jun 19, 2023 18:19:31 GMT -5
Who do we expect to go in game 4? Options I could think of: Kluber, Pivetta, Murphy, bullpen game, Walter. I guess I'd expect Pivetta to start and aim for like 3 innings but I haven't looked too closely at it. Pivetta has really taken off in the high leverage relief role. I would keep him right where he is. The team needs him right where he is. I think, what I would like to see actually, Ort gets sent down on Thursday so the Sox can call up Walter to start. Then Walter gets sent down Friday and Murphy gets called up to stay on Friday. ( this is the day he becomes eligible for a non injury call up). Oh wait, Joely Rodriquez is due back later this week. Crap, no Murphy. So, looks like Kluber gets the start Thursday and is the 5th starter for 2 starts before the all star break. |
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Post by soxin8 on Jun 19, 2023 18:29:09 GMT -5
Who do we expect to go in game 4? Options I could think of: Kluber, Pivetta, Murphy, bullpen game, Walter. I guess I'd expect Pivetta to start and aim for like 3 innings but I haven't looked too closely at it. Pivetta has really taken off in the high leverage relief role. I would keep him right where he is. The team needs him right where he is. I think, what I would like to see actually, Ort gets sent down on Thursday so the Sox can call up Walter to start. Then Walter gets sent down Friday and Murphy gets called up to stay on Friday. ( this is the day he becomes eligible for a non injury call up). Oh wait, Joely Rodriquez is due back later this week. Crap, no Murphy. So, looks like Kluber gets the start Thursday and is the 5th starter for 2 starts before the all star break. Murphy can't come back that soon unless someone goes on the injured list. |
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jun 19, 2023 18:34:35 GMT -5
Pivetta has really taken off in the high leverage relief role. I would keep him right where he is. The team needs him right where he is. I think, what I would like to see actually, Ort gets sent down on Thursday so the Sox can call up Walter to start. Then Walter gets sent down Friday and Murphy gets called up to stay on Friday. ( this is the day he becomes eligible for a non injury call up). Oh wait, Joely Rodriquez is due back later this week. Crap, no Murphy. So, looks like Kluber gets the start Thursday and is the 5th starter for 2 starts before the all star break. Murphy can't come back that soon unless someone goes on the injured list. Murphy is eligible for recall on Friday 6/23. He was sent down on the 8th afte pitching on the 7th. That makes 15 days. His stint as the 27th man on Sunday does not require the 15 day count to re start. |
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Post by soxin8 on Jun 19, 2023 18:35:32 GMT -5
Pivetta has really taken off in the high leverage relief role. I would keep him right where he is. The team needs him right where he is. I think, what I would like to see actually, Ort gets sent down on Thursday so the Sox can call up Walter to start. Then Walter gets sent down Friday and Murphy gets called up to stay on Friday. ( this is the day he becomes eligible for a non injury call up). Oh wait, Joely Rodriquez is due back later this week. Crap, no Murphy. So, looks like Kluber gets the start Thursday and is the 5th starter for 2 starts before the all star break. Murphy can't come back that soon unless someone goes on the injured list.Can he? |
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Post by soxin8 on Jun 19, 2023 18:36:15 GMT -5
Murphy is eligible for recall on Friday 6/23. He was sent down on the 8th afte pitching on the 7th. That makes 15 days. His stint as the 27th man on Sunday does not require the 15 day count to re start. Thanks. |
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jun 19, 2023 18:46:13 GMT -5
If Cora is foing to lead off Duran why can't he swap Verdugo and Yoshida in the batting order? Yoshida should be their 2nd place in the lineup hitter. I don't particularly like Duran leading off tonght. Lopez is a big strikeout guy, 4th in the AL. Duran has struck out 18 times more than Dougie in 93 less ABs. Not a great formula for a spot that you would hope the guy would start and/ or keep a run producing inning going. In any event, if Duran is going to lead off, Dougie and Masa are both excellent choices for the #2. Like I said, Duran leading off tonight is a brilliant idea  |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 19, 2023 18:46:54 GMT -5
i was released for good behaviour !! Not one post during MFY series. and a sweep ! Maybe we are on to something.
'Sup MILFY Flippers ?
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Post by semperfisox on Jun 19, 2023 18:49:45 GMT -5
Devers pitch selection still blows
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