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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 9, 2023 16:54:41 GMT -5
Your choices are:
- Pablo Reyes - Christian Arroyo - Kiké Hernandez - Adam Duvall trade (assume a mediocre return since obviously you choose to trade Duvall if there's a great return)
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jul 9, 2023 16:57:21 GMT -5
If you DFA Hernandez then you can’t trade Duvall and vice versa. Need the CF depth
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 9, 2023 17:01:27 GMT -5
I'd dump Kiké unless Arroyo gets hurt between now and then.
I'd rather see Duvall on the roster. They could use his RH power off the bench in a platoon thing where Casas winds up hitting the bench against lefties.
Arroyo is capable if holding down a semi regular job if healthy.
I can see keeping Reyes around at least until Story returns. Did I mention Arroyo could get injured, lol?
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jul 9, 2023 17:18:37 GMT -5
I am hoping either Kiki or Arroyo, but I bet it's Reyes. I think they would have already activated him if they intended to keep him on the big team.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 9, 2023 17:19:32 GMT -5
I hope either Kiki ( 1st choice) or Duvall gets traded for a starting pitcher. If not, Reyes DFA is what I think will happen. His SSS is not enough performance for one of those guys to get DFA because of.
Of the three, Duvall is most valuable for a playoff run.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jul 9, 2023 17:21:45 GMT -5
If you DFA Hernandez then you can’t trade Duvall and vice versa. Need the CF depth Can't Duran and Refsnyder both play center? Moreover, I hear we have a guy at AAA who is a pretty good defensive centerfielder if either of those two get hurt. |
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Post by ed978 on Jul 9, 2023 17:47:03 GMT -5
Refsnyder, Kiké, and Duran can all play CF if you trade Duvall. The Sox haven't had enough short stops defensively all year. They need to fix that problem. Duvall is the one you can get something for, and he's redundant now. If anyone else besides him goes, it's the wrong move.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 9, 2023 17:51:24 GMT -5
Kiké has been the worst player on the team. Has to be him.
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Post by cheers on Jul 9, 2023 18:01:30 GMT -5
If you DFA Hernandez then you canât trade Duvall and vice versa. Need the CF depth Can't Duran and Refsnyder both play center? Moreover, I hear we have a guy at AAA who is a pretty good defensive centerfielder if either of those two get hurt. Rumor has it that the guy at AAA who plays a mean CF is also a competent SS. He clearly will struggle some with MLB pitching, but could it be worse than Kiké's .602 OPS? I think absolutely not. The downside to moving Kiké is that we could stunt Cedanne's development a little bit (if we had to call him up) - he clearly would benefit from some more time at the Woo incubator. Secondary downside: Not going to get anything better than a meh reliever in return, and the Sox will be eating the contract. DFA'ing Reyes is cheap/effectively free. |
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jul 9, 2023 18:07:13 GMT -5
If you DFA Hernandez then you can’t trade Duvall and vice versa. Need the CF depth Can't Duran and Refsnyder both play center? Moreover, I hear we have a guy at AAA who is a pretty good defensive centerfielder if either of those two get hurt. Yea Duran would be the full time guy. And then you’ve only got Refsnyder? I don’t think Rafaela is part of the equation this year but if they think he can play then that certainly gives them more options |
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 9, 2023 18:17:16 GMT -5
Right at this moment I lean towards Arroyo should be the odd man out.
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Post by rhswanzey on Jul 9, 2023 20:10:26 GMT -5
The Sox had such a rough second half that it’s pretty easy to overlook how very good Arroyo was after coming off the IL just before the trade deadline.
I’m just DFAing Reyes and not thinking very hard about it. He did a great job as a fill in we fished out of someone else’s AAA roster. It’s not like he has a long term future in the organization. I want to punt the difficult decision to when Story is ready to come back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 21:27:09 GMT -5
The Sox had such a rough second half that it’s pretty easy to overlook how very good Arroyo was after coming off the IL just before the trade deadline. I’m just DFAing Reyes and not thinking very hard about it. He did a great job as a fill in we fished out of someone else’s AAA roster. It’s not like he has a long term future in the organization. I want to punt the difficult decision to when Story is ready to come back. Can Reyes be outrighted to AAA if he clears waivers after a theoretical DFA? My gut is there might not be effectively that much of difference in value/performance between Kiké/Arroyo/Reyes looking forward the next 2.5 months - but Reyes might be the one you could actually stash in the Worcester to preserve your options. |
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 9, 2023 21:34:09 GMT -5
The Sox had such a rough second half that it’s pretty easy to overlook how very good Arroyo was after coming off the IL just before the trade deadline. I’m just DFAing Reyes and not thinking very hard about it. He did a great job as a fill in we fished out of someone else’s AAA roster. It’s not like he has a long term future in the organization. I want to punt the difficult decision to when Story is ready to come back. Can Reyes be outrighted to AAA if he clears waivers after a theoretical DFA? My gut is there might not be effectively that much of difference in value/performance between Kiké/Arroyo/Reyes looking forward the next 2.5 months - but Reyes might be the one you could actually stash in the Worcester to preserve your options. Reyes would have to accept the outright assignment. Otherwise he would become a free agent. |
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 9, 2023 22:35:11 GMT -5
It’s either Reyes or somebody else to the DL. Reyes redundant with Chang. Keep all in mind the same issue is going to happen when Story returns ( potentialy 3 weeks away)
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Post by cdj on Jul 9, 2023 22:58:34 GMT -5
I was gonna say Arroyo but he’s clearly felt the heat the last couple games and started to hit
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 9, 2023 23:09:01 GMT -5
Kiké has been bad for a year and a half now. Its easily him.
I’d keep Duvall. Never been a fan of the buy and sell thing.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 9, 2023 23:39:03 GMT -5
numerous off days in July.
Option a reliever, go with a 12-man staff for a bit. And then option Casas for 10 days. if his slump continues
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 10, 2023 0:40:20 GMT -5
Can't Duran and Refsnyder both play center? Moreover, I hear we have a guy at AAA who is a pretty good defensive centerfielder if either of those two get hurt. Rumor has it that the guy at AAA who plays a mean CF is also a competent SS. He clearly will struggle some with MLB pitching, but could it be worse than Kiké's .602 OPS? I think absolutely not. The downside to moving Kiké is that we could stunt Cedanne's development a little bit (if we had to call him up) - he clearly would benefit from some more time at the Woo incubator. Secondary downside: Not going to get anything better than a meh reliever in return, and the Sox will be eating the contract. DFA'ing Reyes is cheap/effectively free. A .602 OPS in the majors (this year) would be a nice mark for the prospect you speak of. |
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Post by okin15 on Jul 10, 2023 8:45:51 GMT -5
I don't want Kiké playing much more for this team, but if you can get value for Duvall that's an equally good solution.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 11:29:04 GMT -5
Can Reyes be outrighted to AAA if he clears waivers after a theoretical DFA? My gut is there might not be effectively that much of difference in value/performance between Kiké/Arroyo/Reyes looking forward the next 2.5 months - but Reyes might be the one you could actually stash in the Worcester to preserve your options. Reyes would have to accept the outright assignment. Otherwise he would become a free agent. Okay, thanks for the clarification. So one legit just has to go, injury/DFA or otherwise. You look around for 2B/middle infield trade options - it's very, very sparse. There's a very likely possibility that when Story comes back to play SS your options to play 2B is limited to whoever is already in the building (Arroyo, Chang, Kiké, Reyes, Valdez). Kiké's advantage over the others is that he can play a great CF. But aside from the fact that you're not playing Kiké over Duran/Duvall, if you're keeping him around as defensive backup outfielder who can't really hit... are we sure Rafaela can't be just as good if not better if you need that role in the fall? It might not be unreasonable to think Rafaela could match or exceed Kiké's .221/.278/.324? |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 10, 2023 11:33:07 GMT -5
Not sure what it means, but Reyes only played 2B during his rehab (assuming he is getting activated after the break).
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 11, 2023 3:13:03 GMT -5
Not sure what it means, but Reyes only played 2B during his rehab (assuming he is getting activated after the break). Reyes at 2nd and Story at SS? |
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 11, 2023 12:29:09 GMT -5
After hearing Chris Cotillo’s report on the Name Redacted podcast about Kiké’s crap attitude, I’m now leaning on parting ways with him.
I also agree that Duvall would make sense to hold onto as your RH power bat off the bench unless you’re getting a quality return from a trade. He was getting some reps @ 1B so maybe the team could start plugging him in there during the second half?
Reyes also may seem redundant w/ Chang, but with the way injuries have been @ SS this year, I prefer to hold onto to him as long as the team can for depth.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 11, 2023 12:30:57 GMT -5
Not sure what it means, but Reyes only played 2B during his rehab (assuming he is getting activated after the break). Reyes at 2nd and Story at SS? Maybe a platoon w/ Arroyo w/ Chang being the primary backup IF? |
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