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Red Sox 2nd Half Predictions
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 12, 2023 12:47:36 GMT -5
Seeing we have no baseball for two days, my boredom has lead me to make a new thread to see what everyone’s predictions for the second half might be.
My predictions:
Record: 42-29 (finish 90-72)
The team finally finds a way to cleanup against lowly opponents and snags a 3rd wildcard spot in the last week of the season from either NYY or TOR
Deadline: team acquires Eduardo Rodriguez or Michael Lorenzen from the Tigers and dumps Kiké
In the Eddy scenario, I have a feeling Nick Yorke and Shane Drohan are traded away. Yorke’s bat first profile makes him expendable and I’m confident another minor league arm will emerge in the next year or so to take Drohan’s place. With Lorenzen, I’d expect Walter and Bonaci going to Detroit. Kiké is dumped to accommodate Reyes seeing his apparent fall out w/ the front office.
2nd half MVP: Duran & Bello
Bello will continue his dominance and Duran will continue lighting the world on fire.
What’s everyone else think?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 12, 2023 13:11:21 GMT -5
Your 5th and 6th prospects for 15 starts of a guy that's going to opt out at the end of the year is a hefty cost
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 13:57:24 GMT -5
Your 5th and 6th prospects for 15 starts of a guy that's going to opt out at the end of the year is a hefty cost To add to that, the possible "if he gets hurt the remaining 3 years $50 mil he opts into are your problem, not ours" issue one would think would lower the price for E-rod. Would sure love another starter though. I'll throw these out there: Positive: Red Sox make the playoffs after the Blue Jays choke and the Yankees screw up yet another trade deadline. Trevor Story looks great at SS when he comes back in mid-August... Negative: ... but his production at the plate is middling and his swing still a tad off after coming in back mid-season post-surgery.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 12, 2023 13:58:52 GMT -5
The team hits the deadline at 56-50, 3 GB of WC3. The deadline is a buy and sell affair. Kiké is DFA'd for Reyes and Arroyo is eventually traded, leaving Valdez/Hamilton, Chang, and Reyes as the middle infield with Story looming. A rental back-end starter a la Michael Lorenzen or Jack Flaherty is also acquired to help stabilize the pitching staff with a lot of starters out. Normies start to get antsy because the team hasn't made a run in the standings yet or any sufficiently flashy moves.
But then they start to get healthy. Whitlock and Schreiber are back (and stay that way), Story finally comes back in early August, and Houck and Sale both come back towards the end of the month. By the time they get into the difficult part of the schedule from late August through the end of the year, the team has a top 10 offense and borderline top 10 pitching staff. They hold their own down the stretch and finish with a record of 88-74, good enough for a tie for WC2.
They lose the tiebreaker and are punished (rewarded?) by getting to play a three-game series against Minnesota in the first round of the playoffs. In the playoffs, a rotation headed by Sale, Paxton, and Bello combined with a solid pen and a disciplined and deep lineup makes the team formidible. They end up dispatching Minnesota and beating Houston in the ALDS in 5 games before falling to Tampa in 7 in the ALCS.
Normies are furious that more was not done at the deadline to improve the team and call into WEEI en masse to complain about Chaim Bloom's second mid-rebuild ALCS appearance in 3 years. After all, did you hear they finished in last place in 2020 and 2022?
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 12, 2023 14:03:39 GMT -5
I'll play:
Record: 40-31, end the year at 88-74 and in the third wild card Best hitter: Devers Best pitcher: Paxton
Deadline: Kiké offloaded, some okay reliever onboarded
Long shot: Yoshida hits even better, ends at 4 WAR
Prospects: Yorke heats back up, Anthony pushes himself to AA
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Post by incandenza on Jul 12, 2023 14:04:29 GMT -5
Record: 39-32 (finish 87-75)
Win the third wild card over the Yankees by head-to-head record tiebreaker. Other playoff teams are the Rangers, Astros, Twins, Rays, and Blue Jays. Orioles fade in the end.
Casas goes 3-4 with two singles and a double on September 2nd in Kansas City.
No really major trade deadline moves; they ship out one of Kiké/Duvall and add a reliever. Mostly they count on injured guys returning to fill holes (Story, Whitlock, Houck, Sale, Schreiber).
Success mode: That plan actually works: Story comes back and gives a huge boost with his defense; Whitlock returns quickly and Houck and Sale soon enough to help down the stretch - and make for a scary bunch to face in the postseason.
Failure mode: Last season when the starting pitchers dropped like flies the team actually defied gravity for several weeks; they went 15-8 immediately after Eovaldi went down while getting starts from the likes of Winckowski, Crawford, and Seabold. Then Wacha and Hill went down, and Sale never really made it back, and that set the stage for the July-August flameout. Now again this year the rotation is in spit-and-glue condition, and again they're defying gravity: 13-8 since Houck got his face broken. I doubt they can keep it up forever; they need (some of) the injured pitchers to come back, and the healthy pitchers to stay that way. If that doesn't happen it could be 2022 redux.
TL;DR: it's gonna come down to health.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Jul 12, 2023 14:23:40 GMT -5
They will play 71 games. Story will replace Kiké in the lineup and hit like him for about two weeks until he gets his groove back meanwhile playing GG level D. Casas will continue to improve, Devers will return to form and Duran and Yoshida will hold their own along with Turner. Pitchers will return and leave but Bello will confirm his status as the lead dog while some combo of Paxton/Sale will hold down the 1A spot.
Final result will be a 90 win season (same as I optimistically and naively predicted at the outset) and the 3rd Wild Card spot where they will beat the Twins in the first round. After that the Magic 8 Ball says things become cloudy - do we get revenge on the Cheatos or feel revenge from the Rays - "Ask Again Later!"
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 12, 2023 14:32:36 GMT -5
Two weeks ago I figured they should sell. Now they have roped me back in and I hope I will not be let down again.
I think a modest buy would make sense. I don't think Sale makes it back so trading for a SP makes the most sense, but not sure if ERod is the correct target. Whoever it ends up being you will need to give something up as you can't get something for nothing. Given the batch of middle infielders (all plus defenders) that the Sox just drafted I wouldn't be surprised if Yorke ended up being moved as the Sox evolve their system towards a no-shift MLB.... I mean haven't Kiké, Hamilton, & Valdez taught us that something needs to change defensively?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 12, 2023 16:20:18 GMT -5
They will make a big play on a TOR starter trade and will be willing to part with prospects, although i don't know if they will be successful I don't follow baseball that closely to know who, but I don't see a half measured approach for pitching, there are still unknowns with Sale and frankly, Whitlock and Houck. As far as record or finish, I mean who knows, this team is too Jekyll and Hyde to make an accurate call. Most of you are just trying to play out your prediction, so you can say you are smart (even though you are not).
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 12, 2023 16:25:46 GMT -5
Your 5th and 6th prospects for 15 starts of a guy that's going to opt out at the end of the year is a hefty cost Agree. Naturally overshooting here. My hope is thay E-Rod would opt in to the remaining 3 years, but seeing how thin the pitching market is this off-season, it’s hard seeing that he would. Maybe Yorke and Wikelman?
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Post by rhswanzey on Jul 12, 2023 17:39:28 GMT -5
Edit: it was corrected below, but Harper had full TJ, not just the bracing procedure Story had. Still, I’m thinking closer to .250/.325/.350 then !!Trevor Story!!
Bryce Harper had the same procedure as Trevor Story and is batting .290/.386/.400 in 246 PA with easily the lowest ISO of his career. Story is definitely a piece that will help and stabilize the position player mix. Beyond that, I’m getting big “Chris Sale is the best 2021 trade deadline addition” vibes here.
I have no idea what’s going to happen in the second half, but I’m excited about the progress the organization has made. The team entered the year as a bridge year team with a middle of the pack farm system light on pitching. It’s now legitimately in the mix for a wild card. It’s also developed a firmly top 10 farm with a large handful of pop up arms, that just graduated someone who looks like a legit high end #2 after just 25 MLB starts.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 12, 2023 17:47:00 GMT -5
Your 5th and 6th prospects for 15 starts of a guy that's going to opt out at the end of the year is a hefty cost Agree. Naturally overshooting here. My hope is thay E-Rod would opt in to the remaining 3 years, but seeing how thin the pitching market is this off-season, it’s hard seeing that he would. Maybe Yorke and Wikelman? NO NO NO, for the love of god, not those two for the uncertainty that is ERod.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 12, 2023 17:47:13 GMT -5
Bryce Harper had the same procedure as Trevor Story and is batting .290/.386/.400 in 246 PA with easily the lowest ISO of his career. Story is definitely a piece that will help and stabilize the position player mix. Beyond that, I’m getting big “Chris Sale is the best 2021 trade deadline addition” vibes here. I have no idea what’s going to happen in the second half, but I’m excited about the progress the organization has made. The team entered the year as a bridge year team with a middle of the pack farm system light on pitching. It’s now legitimately in the mix for a wild card. It’s also developed a firmly top 10 farm with a large handful of pop up arms, that just graduated someone who looks like a legit high end #2 after just 25 MLB starts. The rise of the farm is definitely the most exciting development this year. Lots of promise. If all the top performers keep up, I wouldn’t be surprised if the team pops up in the top 10 of all farm systems in off-season rankings. EDIT: Also an optimistic farm prediction is that Perales keeps shoving and that Anthony plays his way up to Portland by the end of the year.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 12, 2023 17:51:50 GMT -5
Agree. Naturally overshooting here. My hope is thay E-Rod would opt in to the remaining 3 years, but seeing how thin the pitching market is this off-season, it’s hard seeing that he would. Maybe Yorke and Wikelman? NO NO NO, for the love of god, not those two for the uncertainty that is ERod. I hear you on the uncertainty of E-Rod, but he’d be an improvement over say Kutter or even Whitlock if he has any setbacks. In all, I’m not sure if holding onto Yorke is particularly beneficial given his scouting projections and the middle IF logjams. Why not sell when his stock is potentially the highest it will be?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 12, 2023 17:54:54 GMT -5
My prediction is they will buy and sell at the trade deadline again but the injuries will be too much to overcome, similar to last year.
On the positive side I think a lot will go right on the developmental front.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 12, 2023 17:58:26 GMT -5
NO NO NO, for the love of god, not those two for the uncertainty that is ERod. I hear you on the uncertainty of E-Rod, but he’d be an improvement over say Kutter or even Whitlock if he has any setbacks. In all, I’m not sure if holding onto Yorke is particularly beneficial given his scouting projections and the middle IF logjams. Why not sell when his stock is potentially the highest it will be? I like Yorke, be he has his warts. Not opposed to parting with him - in the right deal. And ERod isn't that for me. Now, perhaps Cora and others have some inside intel?? Would he even want to come back? Not sure the circumstances under which he left.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 12, 2023 18:06:55 GMT -5
Bryce Harper had the same procedure as Trevor Story and is batting .290/.386/.400 in 246 PA with easily the lowest ISO of his career. Story is definitely a piece that will help and stabilize the position player mix. Beyond that, Iâm getting big âChris Sale is the best 2021 trade deadline additionâ vibes here.I have no idea whatâs going to happen in the second half, but Iâm excited about the progress the organization has made. The team entered the year as a bridge year team with a middle of the pack farm system light on pitching. Itâs now legitimately in the mix for a wild card. Itâs also developed a firmly top 10 farm with a large handful of pop up arms, that just graduated someone who looks like a legit high end #2 after just 25 MLB starts. The thing is, his defense alone will be such a boon. Then whatever offense he can provide above what Kiké or Chang have will just be a bonus.
I wonder what they'll do at 2B. Story at SS and Chang at 2B would suddenly completely change the defensive identity of the team. Watch the team ERA go down a run while the FIP stays the same...
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 12, 2023 18:31:17 GMT -5
Bryce Harper had the same procedure as Trevor Story and is batting .290/.386/.400 in 246 PA with easily the lowest ISO of his career. Story is definitely a piece that will help and stabilize the position player mix. Beyond that, Iâm getting big âChris Sale is the best 2021 trade deadline additionâ vibes here.I have no idea whatâs going to happen in the second half, but Iâm excited about the progress the organization has made. The team entered the year as a bridge year team with a middle of the pack farm system light on pitching. Itâs now legitimately in the mix for a wild card. Itâs also developed a firmly top 10 farm with a large handful of pop up arms, that just graduated someone who looks like a legit high end #2 after just 25 MLB starts. The thing is, his defense alone will be such a boon. Then whatever offense he can provide above what Kiké or Chang have will just be a bonus.
I wonder what they'll do at 2B. Story at SS and Chang at 2B would suddenly completely change the defensive identity of the team. Watch the team ERA go down a run while the FIP stays the same...
Precisely. Having Story @ SS and Chang @ 2B for the second half would mirror the exact approach in 2004. Their defense during the 1st half was downright awful with Nomar @ SS, Bellhorn @ 2B and Millar @ 1B. Their deadline acquisitions of Cabrera @ SS and Mientkiewicz @ 1B and plugging Pokey more @ 2B late in games is one the most understated reasons of how they turned things around that season defensively.
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Post by manfred on Jul 12, 2023 18:58:32 GMT -5
Bryce Harper had the same procedure as Trevor Story and is batting .290/.386/.400 in 246 PA with easily the lowest ISO of his career. Story is definitely a piece that will help and stabilize the position player mix. Beyond that, I’m getting big “Chris Sale is the best 2021 trade deadline addition” vibes here. I have no idea what’s going to happen in the second half, but I’m excited about the progress the organization has made. The team entered the year as a bridge year team with a middle of the pack farm system light on pitching. It’s now legitimately in the mix for a wild card. It’s also developed a firmly top 10 farm with a large handful of pop up arms, that just graduated someone who looks like a legit high end #2 after just 25 MLB starts. Bryce Harper has not played the field. Story is no big addition as a mere DH.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 12, 2023 18:58:54 GMT -5
I'll go with 38-33 the rest of the way. That makes 86- 76 for the season. That was Rays record as 3rd wildcard spot last year. So, 3rd wildcard it is. Anything can happen from there.
I'll predict Kiki will last the full season with the Sox. Corey Kluber will not.(unless on IL all year). Adam Duvall will be a highly sought after trade piece at the deadline and will bring the Sox a prospect that slots in to the Sox top 20.
Most important, that the Sox/Astros game on August 30, will be the most exciting game of the season. Bello will shut the Stro's out, complete game and the Sox will score 10 + runs. Why? That's my Fenway Day this season !!!
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 12, 2023 19:05:22 GMT -5
Harper had Tommy John surgery, not an internal brace.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 20:00:33 GMT -5
The thing is, his defense alone will be such a boon. Then whatever offense he can provide above what Kiké or Chang have will just be a bonus.
I wonder what they'll do at 2B. Story at SS and Chang at 2B would suddenly completely change the defensive identity of the team. Watch the team ERA go down a run while the FIP stays the same...
Precisely. Having Story @ SS and Chang @ 2B for the second half would mirror the exact approach in 2004. Their defense during the 1st half was downright awful with Nomar @ SS, Bellhorn @ 2B and Millar @ 1B. Their deadline acquisitions of Cabrera @ SS and Mientkiewicz @ 1B and plugging Pokey more @ 2B late in games is one the most understated reasons of how they turned things around that season defensively. Would you believe me if I told you through 91 games they only two games worse this year than the 2004 Red Sox
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 12, 2023 20:16:35 GMT -5
Precisely. Having Story @ SS and Chang @ 2B for the second half would mirror the exact approach in 2004. Their defense during the 1st half was downright awful with Nomar @ SS, Bellhorn @ 2B and Millar @ 1B. Their deadline acquisitions of Cabrera @ SS and Mientkiewicz @ 1B and plugging Pokey more @ 2B late in games is one the most understated reasons of how they turned things around that season defensively. Would you believe me if I told you through 91 games they only two games worse this year than the 2004 Red Sox I believe it! Up until that infamous July 24th game (the Tek/Arod brawl, Mueller walk off), it was a really up-and-down kinda season. The team absolutely took off on a rocket ship after that game.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 12, 2023 20:46:51 GMT -5
I'll play
45-26 (.634 pace) to finish with 93 wins.
Kluber has a dramatic comeback and second half. His bullpens now are being described as "sharp", a word that never would have been used prior to the IL.
We stay under the lux-tax barrier.
Yorke is traded.
Kiké or Deval are gone.
We pick up a bulk innings starter who isn't a significant pitcher, maybe for Yorke.
Red Sox go deeper into the playoffs than the Yankees.
If we do pick up a prospect, it will be for a prospect that doesn't need to be on the 40 man this coming off-season.
Bloom wins exec of the year.
Barring an injury to someone, Rafela makes his major league debut after he won't lose his rookie status.
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Post by cdj on Jul 12, 2023 20:56:50 GMT -5
Harper had Tommy John surgery, not an internal brace. Yeah I thought I was missing something for a second there, they absolutely did not have the same surgery lol Story will be back and he’ll be huge just for the defense alone. I don’t want to see this team buying rentals unless they cost a Nick Northcut level of a prospect. Maybe Binelas for a reliever.
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