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Post by Guidas on Jul 14, 2023 15:17:11 GMT -5
Gotta get Duvall going...
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Post by rhswanzey on Jul 14, 2023 15:24:15 GMT -5
Curious if this is going to be like the Dalbec at SS experiment, where weâre only going to see it once or twice.
I think this would be much more of a statement if they were facing a LHP tonight. It does say they donât want Kiké hitting R v R if they can help it.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 14, 2023 15:28:24 GMT -5
I feel like Arroyo basically can’t be on a team where he’s not a starting 2B
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Post by wildsox on Jul 14, 2023 15:29:07 GMT -5
I wonder if this is a signal that the Kiké experience is over? I canât see them starting Turner over both Arroyo and Kiké if they are available
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2023 15:29:27 GMT -5
Considering Enmanuel Valdez had graded out as one of the worst second basemen defensively in the majors this year, and Kiké’s struggles at short this year have been well documented, a Chang-Turner combo (which I imagine they’re merely just trying out tonight to get all the big bats in) somehow might be an improvement compared to earlier in the year
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 14, 2023 15:34:09 GMT -5
If they're actually going to play Turner at 2B then this roster makes no sense. Kiké has no role except as the break in case of emergency SS, and Arroyo also has no role. Something's gotta give and you'd think it would have already happened over the ASB. I have a feeling Hernandez won't be on the team much longer. Honestly I'd rather carry Reyes than Arroyo at this point, Kiké still has some value as a backup CF if they deal Duvall. Reyes was a .5 war player in limited time and solidified the SS position when it was a mess. Yes, he's due for a regression offensively, but I'd rather have his defense. Arroyo just can't stay healthy and is miscast as a starter. Kiké if not starting in the OF only has value as a late inning defensive replacement who you hope never gets to see an AB. If you asked me in the beginning of the year, I would have been skeptical of Duran in CF, but the kid has shown drastic improvement on that side of the ball, and has made adjustments to what teams are trying to do to him. Unless they are fitting Kiké for a Tessie costume the writing is on the wall there.
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 14, 2023 15:36:27 GMT -5
Either way, they have to take the decision RE: Kiké out of Cora's hands. Kiké seems like an awesome teammate, but that only goes so far on a winning team.
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 14, 2023 15:37:14 GMT -5
Gotta get Duvall going... How did you hack into my icloud personal photos?
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 14, 2023 15:38:16 GMT -5
Either way, they have to take the decision RE: Kiké out of Cora's hands. Kiké seems like an awesome teammate, but that only goes so far on a winning team. Reports recently have been pretty much the opposite on how Hernandez has been as a teammate and professional. Which is my thoughts on why one way or another he won't be a Sox after the deadline.
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 14, 2023 15:39:47 GMT -5
Either way, they have to take the decision RE: Kiké out of Cora's hands. Kiké seems like an awesome teammate, but that only goes so far on a winning team. Reports recently have been pretty much the opposite on how Hernandez has been as a teammate and professional. Which is my thoughts on why one way or another he won't be a Sox after the deadline. Hmm. I hadn't seen those reports, but that is disappointing none the less.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 14, 2023 15:47:27 GMT -5
Reports recently have been pretty much the opposite on how Hernandez has been as a teammate and professional. Which is my thoughts on why one way or another he won't be a Sox after the deadline. Hmm. I hadn't seen those reports, but that is disappointing none the less. I forget which thread it was but someone posted something from Cotillo and to paraphrase said how Hernandez has ruffled feathers and the front office is about sick of his attitude and he's sulking because of playing time even though he's been absolutely garbage and playing way more than he deserves to anyway. That last part was my opinion not part of the report.
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Post by cdj on Jul 14, 2023 15:48:28 GMT -5
Either way, they have to take the decision RE: Kiké out of Cora's hands. Kiké seems like an awesome teammate, but that only goes so far on a winning team. Reports recently have been pretty much the opposite on how Hernandez has been as a teammate and professional. Which is my thoughts on why one way or another he won't be a Sox after the deadline. There a source for this? Lol nvm we posted at the same time
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 14, 2023 15:51:02 GMT -5
Hmm. I hadn't seen those reports, but that is disappointing none the less. I forget which thread it was but someone posted something from Cotillo and to paraphrase said how Hernandez has ruffled feathers and the front office is about sick of his attitude and he's sulking because of playing time even though he's been absolutely garbage and playing way more than he deserves to anyway. That last part was my opinion not part of the report. This is sort of reminiscent of 2015 Shane Victorino declaring he was a starter in ST even though at that point he was a shell of himself. It's always equal parts sad, and frustrating when guys can't see the writing on the wall.
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Post by cdj on Jul 14, 2023 15:51:23 GMT -5
âHernándezâs value is in his versatility and experience though his play has been hard to watch on both sides of the ball this season. The 14 errors at shortstop, which cost him the starting role, speak for themselves, but he has been a black hole in the lineup as well. Through 75 games, heâs hitting just .225 with little power (6 homers) and a low .615 OPS. At this point, his $10 million contract looks like a sunk cost and the Red Sox may have seen enough. Considering what Hernández has meant at times over his three seasons in Boston, cutting him would not be a decision that would be taken lightlyâ www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/07/red-sox-roster-crunch-puts-Kiké-hernandez-christian-arroyo-in-jeopardy.html?outputType=ampAlthough this is the last thing written by Cotillo in regards to Kikè that I found. Itâs from last week and indicates the opposite of the claim that theyâre getting annoyed with him- it says it’s a decision they wouldn’t take lightly
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 14, 2023 15:56:55 GMT -5
âHernándezâs value is in his versatility and experience though his play has been hard to watch on both sides of the ball this season. The 14 errors at shortstop, which cost him the starting role, speak for themselves, but he has been a black hole in the lineup as well. Through 75 games, heâs hitting just .225 with little power (6 homers) and a low .615 OPS. At this point, his $10 million contract looks like a sunk cost and the Red Sox may have seen enough. Considering what Hernández has meant at times over his three seasons in Boston, cutting him would not be a decision that would be taken lightlyâ www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/07/red-sox-roster-crunch-puts-Kiké-hernandez-christian-arroyo-in-jeopardy.html?outputType=ampAlthough this is the last thing written by Cotillo in regards to Kikè that I found. Itâs from last week and indicates the opposite of the claim that theyâre getting annoyed with him- it says it’s a decision they wouldn’t take lightly Found the post/thread. It started on page 1 of the "Who Goes When Pablo Reyes Comes Back" thread. Dirtywaterinla mentioned how he listened to Cotillo's name redacted podcast and mentioned that Hernandez has a crap attitude. It continues on page 2 in a little more detail.
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 14, 2023 16:01:37 GMT -5
âHernándezâs value is in his versatility and experience though his play has been hard to watch on both sides of the ball this season. The 14 errors at shortstop, which cost him the starting role, speak for themselves, but he has been a black hole in the lineup as well. Through 75 games, heâs hitting just .225 with little power (6 homers) and a low .615 OPS. At this point, his $10 million contract looks like a sunk cost and the Red Sox may have seen enough. Considering what Hernández has meant at times over his three seasons in Boston, cutting him would not be a decision that would be taken lightlyâ www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/07/red-sox-roster-crunch-puts-Kiké-hernandez-christian-arroyo-in-jeopardy.html?outputType=ampAlthough this is the last thing written by Cotillo in regards to Kikè that I found. Itâs from last week and indicates the opposite of the claim that theyâre getting annoyed with him- it says it’s a decision they wouldn’t take lightly IMO the only thing that makes the decision really difficult is the $ outlay. They would have to pay off the rest of his deal to facilitate a trade anywhere, and given the health issues this club has faced in the IF, and no guarantee that Duvall rounds back into form in the OF, puts the Sox in a wait and see position. I could see them cutting ties with Arroyo sooner just because of his inability to stay on the field and because he doesn't seem to thrive in a non-every-day role on the offensive side. I'm still shocked Dalbec hasn't been traded to a 2nd division team where he could get more playing time. We shall see I guess.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 14, 2023 16:09:06 GMT -5
To be fair, the Pirates were decent when the Sox played them (feels like a lifetime ago). It was the second series of the year. Hard to say whether they were decent or just off to a hot start. They played well for awhile but the underlying metrics of the team weren’t all that good. Furthermore, if the sox take 2/3 vs the Pirates, they suddenly don't look "hot". I've said it before and I'll say it again, you have to take h2h games out before you look at your opponents' records both overall and in short samples.
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 14, 2023 16:17:12 GMT -5
It was the second series of the year. Hard to say whether they were decent or just off to a hot start. They played well for awhile but the underlying metrics of the team weren’t all that good. Furthermore, if the sox take 2/3 vs the Pirates, they suddenly don't look "hot". I've said it before and I'll say it again, you have to take h2h games out before you look at your opponents' records both overall and in short samples. I'd gladly take Oneil Cruz off their hands.
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Post by yuchangclan on Jul 14, 2023 18:27:31 GMT -5
I’m all rested & tan and ready to kick off the 2nd half. Let’s go Sox!
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Post by yuchangclan on Jul 14, 2023 18:31:19 GMT -5
If they're actually going to play Turner at 2B then this roster makes no sense. Kiké has no role except as the break in case of emergency SS, and Arroyo also has no role. Something's gotta give and you'd think it would have already happened over the ASB. Now nowâ¦the less we see of Kiké and Arroyo the better. This is addition by subtraction(even if Turner is a mess at 2ndâ¦which I donât expect).
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Post by cdj on Jul 14, 2023 19:08:08 GMT -5
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 14, 2023 19:11:28 GMT -5
Looking at the weather forecast in Chicago and we may get a late start on this one. 100% chance of T-storms at 8, drops to 50% at 9, and then seems good to go after. Just gonna be on the grounds crew to keep the field from flooding I just looked at the radar. I’d be surprised if there isn’t a delay in an hour or so.
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Post by cdj on Jul 14, 2023 19:12:24 GMT -5
Looking at the weather forecast in Chicago and we may get a late start on this one. 100% chance of T-storms at 8, drops to 50% at 9, and then seems good to go after. Just gonna be on the grounds crew to keep the field from flooding I just looked at the radar. I’d be surprised if there isn’t a delay in an hour or so. I tried the reverse jinx on it but I can’t jinx the rain gods
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Post by cdj on Jul 14, 2023 19:16:26 GMT -5
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 14, 2023 19:19:18 GMT -5
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