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Post by ogshortstufff on Apr 17, 2024 11:20:52 GMT -5
I would listen to Future Projection's latest podcast for the rundown on Yesavage. Badler and Collazo do a a great job of breaking down his game, and it seems like he has a profile that Breslow would like given the Horton selection a few years ago.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 18, 2024 8:30:08 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 18, 2024 8:50:48 GMT -5
"This draft is really atrocious after the top tier or two — there’s a very strong group of eight college players who should be the first eight picks in some order, then a decent second tier of guys from the college and high school ranks that maybe gets us to about pick 20, and then the position player group and the college pitchers just kind of fall apart. There are certainly interesting players beyond that, and if you are willing to swim in the high school pitching pond there are plenty of those guys to sign, but this year’s draft is going to have a lot of first rounders who wouldn’t go nearly that high in a typical draft." I'm a broken record with this, but I definitely think if you had to choose an optimal strategy in a vacuum it would be whatever college player in that tier you feel will go underslot and then high school arm in the second.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Apr 18, 2024 9:10:48 GMT -5
"This draft is really atrocious after the top tier or two — there’s a very strong group of eight college players who should be the first eight picks in some order, then a decent second tier of guys from the college and high school ranks that maybe gets us to about pick 20, and then the position player group and the college pitchers just kind of fall apart. There are certainly interesting players beyond that, and if you are willing to swim in the high school pitching pond there are plenty of those guys to sign, but this year’s draft is going to have a lot of first rounders who wouldn’t go nearly that high in a typical draft." I'm a broken record with this, but I definitely think if you had to choose an optimal strategy in a vacuum it would be whatever college player in that tier you feel will go underslot and then high school arm in the second. Seeing Michael Massey at 50 to me is the perfect example of what he means about the draft falling off.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 18, 2024 9:14:35 GMT -5
I'm still holding out some hope that someone in that top tier of eight guys falls to 12, probably not all that likely but I didn't think Teel would fall to Sox last year either so one never knows. If not as TheGoodTheBadSox says I could see it a good strategy as any to pickout whichever guy in tier two who will sign for most underslot and then spread the savings around for some of those high school arms.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Apr 18, 2024 9:22:01 GMT -5
I'm still holding out some hope that someone in that top tier of eight guys falls to 12, probably not all that likely but I didn't think Teel would fall to Sox last year either so one never knows. If not as TheGoodTheBadSox says I could see it a good strategy as any to pickout whichever guy in tier two who will sign for most underslot and then spread the savings around for some of those high school arms. The difference is the apparent tiers. Last year there was an elite top 5 tier and then a second tier that was 10-15 players or something. Teel was highly ranked within that second tier, but imo he "slipped" numerically a lot more than he slipped qualitatively. None of the top tier slid out of their slots. If this year the top tier is a bigger top 8, then last year would suggest teams will draft top tiers in their slots and 'getting another Teel" would be getting someone towards the top of the second tier a bit lower than their numerical ranking, not anyone from the top tier.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 18, 2024 9:31:15 GMT -5
I'm still holding out some hope that someone in that top tier of eight guys falls to 12, probably not all that likely but I didn't think Teel would fall to Sox last year either so one never knows. If not as TheGoodTheBadSox says I could see it a good strategy as any to pickout whichever guy in tier two who will sign for most underslot and then spread the savings around for some of those high school arms. The difference is the apparent tiers. Last year there was an elite top 5 tier and then a second tier that was 10-15 players or something. Teel was highly ranked within that second tier, but imo he "slipped" numerically a lot more than he slipped qualitatively. None of the top tier slid out of their slots. If this year the top tier is a bigger top 8, then last year would suggest teams will draft top tiers in their slots and 'getting another Teel" would be getting someone towards the top of the second tier a bit lower than their numerical ranking, not anyone from the top tier. True I'm not taking into account the fact that last draft was a stronger draft. Still, a guy can hope even if it probably is asking too much for four different teams to pass on Law's perceived top tier of eight players. That's also assuming that evaluators across the board are in line with Law which likely isn't the case. Goes without saying some teams might have 10-15 guys in the top tier and some teams might have 5. It's also not taking into account that there is much of the season left still and there will be risers and fallers. We'll know in a few short months.
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Post by GyIantosca on Apr 18, 2024 11:08:55 GMT -5
Let me guess Mr Law will do his best to stick as many MFY’S as he can in the top 50.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 18, 2024 11:13:06 GMT -5
Can someone who is smarter than me from a baseball scouting perspective explain why having a short arm action is seen as a negative and a sign of relief risk? This is specifically in reference to Yesavage's writeup.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 18, 2024 14:13:04 GMT -5
"This draft is really atrocious after the top tier or two — there’s a very strong group of eight college players who should be the first eight picks in some order, then a decent second tier of guys from the college and high school ranks that maybe gets us to about pick 20, and then the position player group and the college pitchers just kind of fall apart. There are certainly interesting players beyond that, and if you are willing to swim in the high school pitching pond there are plenty of those guys to sign, but this year’s draft is going to have a lot of first rounders who wouldn’t go nearly that high in a typical draft." I'm a broken record with this, but I definitely think if you had to choose an optimal strategy in a vacuum it would be whatever college player in that tier you feel will go underslot and then high school arm in the second. How is 2025 Draft? We should have a Top 10 pick.
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Post by insanesoxfan on Apr 18, 2024 14:59:28 GMT -5
"This draft is really atrocious after the top tier or two — there’s a very strong group of eight college players who should be the first eight picks in some order, then a decent second tier of guys from the college and high school ranks that maybe gets us to about pick 20, and then the position player group and the college pitchers just kind of fall apart. There are certainly interesting players beyond that, and if you are willing to swim in the high school pitching pond there are plenty of those guys to sign, but this year’s draft is going to have a lot of first rounders who wouldn’t go nearly that high in a typical draft." I'm a broken record with this, but I definitely think if you had to choose an optimal strategy in a vacuum it would be whatever college player in that tier you feel will go underslot and then high school arm in the second. How is 2025 Draft? We should have a Top 10 pick. 2025 is Ethan Holliday. Younger brother of Jackson and is supposed to have a higher ceiling than his older brother. I have no idea beyond that.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 18, 2024 15:02:27 GMT -5
How is 2025 Draft? We should have a Top 10 pick. 2025 is Ethan Holliday. Younger brother of Jackson and is supposed to have a higher ceiling than his older brother. I have no idea beyond that. Sox need a Holliday of their own, I'm sold! Probably too early to even try and guess lotto odds but I would have to imagine there are at least a handful of teams who are disqualified from getting the top pick due to the lotto rules so that would seemingly help the Sox if they do indeed end up a lottery team.
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Post by insanesoxfan on Apr 18, 2024 15:06:40 GMT -5
2025 is Ethan Holliday. Younger brother of Jackson and is supposed to have a higher ceiling than his older brother. I have no idea beyond that. Sox need a Holliday of their own, I'm sold! Probably too early to even try and guess lotto odds but I would have to imagine there are at least a handful of teams who are disqualified from getting the top pick due to the lotto rules so that would seemingly help the Sox if they do indeed end up a lottery team. If Cleveland can win the lottery then we can too, right?? Whoever does win is going to have an absolute stud. The bloodlines and he's already 6'4 200 pounds.
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Post by soxin8 on Apr 18, 2024 15:55:20 GMT -5
Someone asked Keith if the Pirates should cut a deal with a player to spend the money later in the draft. Keith said no, you take BPA because you might miss out on Marcelo Mayer.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 19, 2024 13:58:44 GMT -5
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Post by RedSoxStats on Apr 22, 2024 7:53:38 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Apr 22, 2024 8:21:52 GMT -5
yeah I’m never drafting somebody with a 30% k rate in college in the 1st round
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 22, 2024 15:12:10 GMT -5
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Post by cstalker14 on Apr 22, 2024 15:16:31 GMT -5
Seaver King. Easy pop. Strong, athletic, and versatile with an up the middle profile. Not sure I'd take Honeycutt, with King still on the board. 114 off the bat is some legit pop. Approach may be lacking, but the K rate isn't scary.
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Post by cstalker14 on Apr 22, 2024 15:20:21 GMT -5
The stuff is absolutely disgusting. If someone could harness it, the results would be nuts. With Sox revamped pitching analytics, would be an exciting get.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 22, 2024 15:36:27 GMT -5
Seaver King. Easy pop. Strong, athletic, and versatile with an up the middle profile. Not sure I'd take Honeycutt, with King still on the board. 114 off the bat is some legit pop. Approach may be lacking, but the K rate isn't scary. He's a super exciting athlete but the lack of any kind of approach concerns me. I'd probably rather have him than Honeycutt but I'm out on both at 12, IMO.
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Post by alnipper on Apr 24, 2024 11:29:51 GMT -5
I want two top 10 ranked Sox prospects out of this draft. Ranked at the end of the year on here.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Apr 24, 2024 11:42:34 GMT -5
I want two top 10 ranked Sox prospects out of this draft. Ranked at the end of the year on here. That would be exciting. Rafaela and Abreu will be graduated, so there will be openings. Zanetello and Sandlin could be risers though.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 24, 2024 12:16:04 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Apr 24, 2024 15:05:38 GMT -5
I was listening to the pipeline Pod today and they mentioned a clear college 8 as well as the top tier. Also hard for me to say I’m out on anyone right now especially when it’s impossible to say if drafting someone allows you to give a bigger bonus in R2. I will say I’m going to try to find a few Florida St games on TV soon to see how those two are.
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