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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 17, 2023 11:27:43 GMT -5
It's never too early to mock the Red Sox a California high school shortstop! futurestarsseries.com/2024-mlb-draft-mock-draft-1-0-vance-honeycutt-jac-caglianone/"15. Bryce Rainer, SS — Harvard-Westlake Square in the middle of the pack, the Red Sox currently hold the no. 15 overall pick in the draft were the season to end today. Boston veered away from it’s California high school tendencies in 2023 selecting Kyle Teel in round one. With Rainer on the board here, it seems like a match made in heaven. He’d join Nick Yorke and Mikey Romero as California prep shortstops taken in the first round by Chaim Bloom and Paul Toboni." Initial takeaways from this mock: 1. Tons of pitching, though given that most of the players listed here are more well-established college players you'll certainly see a lot of the college arms start to settle in at the tail end of the first/comp rounds/early second where I feel like there's always a little run. Still, a ton of quality arms should be available. 2. Jac Caglianone is 11th in this mock draft as opposed to being in the top 5 in another that I'd seen somewhere else (though I think it was from BR, which is not all that valuable), which I think is probably closer to being correct for him. I think he's a teensy bit overrated as a pro prospect right now because I think there's a tendency to hype up guys that are two-way players for being good at two things where they may not be great at one and are unlikely to continue to pursue both. Obviously Jac has a ton of tools on both sides but there's some pretty serious approach/swing and miss concerns and he is a first baseman, and on the mound he'll have to develop either a third pitch or some command to be a high-end starter prospect, in my opinion. 3. Pretty sure this fanbase would riot if Mike Sirota was on the board in a spot that is justified, yet wasn't the pick. I personally don't care as I'm not from New England, but it would be pretty funny to see the reaction on some of the messier comment sections lol. |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 17, 2023 11:38:37 GMT -5
It's never too early to mock the Red Sox a California high school shortstop! futurestarsseries.com/2024-mlb-draft-mock-draft-1-0-vance-honeycutt-jac-caglianone/"15. Bryce Rainer, SS — Harvard-Westlake Square in the middle of the pack, the Red Sox currently hold the no. 15 overall pick in the draft were the season to end today. Boston veered away from it’s California high school tendencies in 2023 selecting Kyle Teel in round one. With Rainer on the board here, it seems like a match made in heaven. He’d join Nick Yorke and Mikey Romero as California prep shortstops taken in the first round by Chaim Bloom and Paul Toboni." Initial takeaways from this mock: 1. Tons of pitching, though given that most of the players listed here are more well-established college players you'll certainly see a lot of the college arms start to settle in at the tail end of the first/comp rounds/early second where I feel like there's always a little run. Still, a ton of quality arms should be available. 2. Jac Caglianone is 11th in this mock draft as opposed to being in the top 5 in another that I'd seen somewhere else (though I think it was from BR, which is not all that valuable), which I think is probably closer to being correct for him. I think he's a teensy bit overrated as a pro prospect right now because I think there's a tendency to hype up guys that are two-way players for being good at two things where they may not be great at one and are unlikely to continue to pursue both. Obviously Jac has a ton of tools on both sides but there's some pretty serious approach/swing and miss concerns and he is a first baseman, and on the mound he'll have to develop either a third pitch or some command to be a high-end starter prospect, in my opinion. 3. Pretty sure this fanbase would riot if Mike Sirota was on the board in a spot that is justified, yet wasn't the pick. I personally don't care as I'm not from New England, but it would be pretty funny to see the reaction on some of the messier comment sections lol. 5 of the top 11 are 1B. Have we ever seen that before? |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 17, 2023 11:45:27 GMT -5
It's never too early to mock the Red Sox a California high school shortstop! futurestarsseries.com/2024-mlb-draft-mock-draft-1-0-vance-honeycutt-jac-caglianone/"15. Bryce Rainer, SS — Harvard-Westlake Square in the middle of the pack, the Red Sox currently hold the no. 15 overall pick in the draft were the season to end today. Boston veered away from it’s California high school tendencies in 2023 selecting Kyle Teel in round one. With Rainer on the board here, it seems like a match made in heaven. He’d join Nick Yorke and Mikey Romero as California prep shortstops taken in the first round by Chaim Bloom and Paul Toboni." Initial takeaways from this mock: 1. Tons of pitching, though given that most of the players listed here are more well-established college players you'll certainly see a lot of the college arms start to settle in at the tail end of the first/comp rounds/early second where I feel like there's always a little run. Still, a ton of quality arms should be available. 2. Jac Caglianone is 11th in this mock draft as opposed to being in the top 5 in another that I'd seen somewhere else (though I think it was from BR, which is not all that valuable), which I think is probably closer to being correct for him. I think he's a teensy bit overrated as a pro prospect right now because I think there's a tendency to hype up guys that are two-way players for being good at two things where they may not be great at one and are unlikely to continue to pursue both. Obviously Jac has a ton of tools on both sides but there's some pretty serious approach/swing and miss concerns and he is a first baseman, and on the mound he'll have to develop either a third pitch or some command to be a high-end starter prospect, in my opinion. 3. Pretty sure this fanbase would riot if Mike Sirota was on the board in a spot that is justified, yet wasn't the pick. I personally don't care as I'm not from New England, but it would be pretty funny to see the reaction on some of the messier comment sections lol. 5 of the top 11 are 1B. Have we ever seen that before? I think that's just a product of how early the mock is - Most of the guys in that mock are there because they have high-level track records and those four college "first basemen" (I think White and Condon have a shot to play other positions) have all absolutely raked in seasons past. Once guys at premium positions pop up I'd imagine they'll slide a bit, but I do think it does look to be a remarkably strong class for those types of bats at the top, at least early on. |
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Post by ixnayexxus on Jul 17, 2023 15:58:22 GMT -5
I remember liking this kid out of high school:
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 18, 2023 9:46:10 GMT -5
Guessing mid 1st again i’ll take Pierce Coppola or William Schmidt
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 9, 2023 16:01:30 GMT -5
New leader in the clubhouse for my personal preference of first round pick in 2024 is Braden Montgomery, who just committed to Texas A&M in the portal out of Stanford, and who I will now get to see ~20-25 times in person next season. Non-zero chance A&M has the two best outfielders in college baseball next year between Montgomery and rising sophomore Jace LaViolette (who will likely not be on the board by the time the Sox pick in 2025, and something will have gone very very wrong if he is).
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 9, 2023 18:34:02 GMT -5
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Post by capesox on Aug 9, 2023 19:07:42 GMT -5
New leader in the clubhouse for my personal preference of first round pick in 2024 is Braden Montgomery, who just committed to Texas A&M in the portal out of Stanford, and who I will now get to see ~20-25 times in person next season. Non-zero chance A&M has the two best outfielders in college baseball next year between Montgomery and rising sophomore Jace LaViolette (who will likely not be on the board by the time the Sox pick in 2025, and something will have gone very very wrong if he is). Montgomery was on the Cape playing for YD this year and looked great when I saw him. He hit a line drive HR that was a real rocket to CF. I'm no scout and not going to play one on here, but he certainly looked the part when I saw him. Looked every bit of his listed 6'2 217 LB frame (from Stanford website), lean and strong build. He pitches also, didn't see him do that though. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 9, 2023 21:34:17 GMT -5
New leader in the clubhouse for my personal preference of first round pick in 2024 is Braden Montgomery, who just committed to Texas A&M in the portal out of Stanford, and who I will now get to see ~20-25 times in person next season. Non-zero chance A&M has the two best outfielders in college baseball next year between Montgomery and rising sophomore Jace LaViolette (who will likely not be on the board by the time the Sox pick in 2025, and something will have gone very very wrong if he is). Montgomery was on the Cape playing for YD this year and looked great when I saw him. He hit a line drive HR that was a real rocket to CF. I'm no scout and not going to play one on here, but he certainly looked the part when I saw him. Looked every bit of his listed 6'2 217 LB frame (from Stanford website), lean and strong build. He pitches also, didn't see him do that though. Stanford loves recruiting physical kids like that. I’d be relatively surprised if he pitched at A&M, on one hand he’s not bad at it, Texas A&M needs it, and he did it over the summer. But on the other hand I think a guy like Skenes is an example of the jump you can take if you just focus on one thing, and while he’s a good pitcher I’m not sure he’s particularly great. |
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Post by ephus on Sept 17, 2023 9:22:00 GMT -5
OK, I am confused about the new rules.
I get that the Yankees, Mets and Padres all drop 10 spots due to payroll.
Apparently the Nats are also locked in to no higher than 10th.
So given the current odds the Red Sox and Guards should move up 2 spots; but the Guards can’t be 10, because that’s where the Nats are locked.
And yet, it would seem weird to essentially punish Cleveland and Boston because of the Nats actions.
Any way, I think the Sox probably wind up at 12, and move up only one.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 17, 2023 9:42:22 GMT -5
OK, I am confused about the new rules. I get that the Yankees, Mets and Padres all drop 10 spots due to payroll. Apparently the Nats are also locked in to no higher than 10th. So given the current odds the Red Sox and Guards should move up 2 spots; but the Guards can’t be 10, because that’s where the Nats are locked. And yet, it would seem weird to essentially punish Cleveland and Boston because of the Nats actions. Any way, I think the Sox probably wind up at 12, and move up only one. Why wouldn't Cleveland just move up to 9th and Boston to 11th? |
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Post by ephus on Sept 17, 2023 9:48:17 GMT -5
OK, I am confused about the new rules. I get that the Yankees, Mets and Padres all drop 10 spots due to payroll. Apparently the Nats are also locked in to no higher than 10th. So given the current odds the Red Sox and Guards should move up 2 spots; but the Guards can’t be 10, because that’s where the Nats are locked. And yet, it would seem weird to essentially punish Cleveland and Boston because of the Nats actions. Any way, I think the Sox probably wind up at 12, and move up only one. Why wouldn't Cleveland just move up to 9th and Boston to 11th? Wouldn’t this move Cleveland up three spots even though they’re only eligible to move up two? Edit: I guess we wont really know how it shakes out until after the lottery and we know how many of those “-10” teams are ahead of Detroit, Washington, Cleveland and Boston. And how everything slots in. |
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Post by incandenza on Sept 17, 2023 9:57:38 GMT -5
Why wouldn't Cleveland just move up to 9th and Boston to 11th? Wouldn’t this move Cleveland up three spots even though they’re only eligible to move up two? Edit: I guess we wont really know how it shakes out until after the lottery and we know how many of those “-10” teams are ahead of Detroit, Washington, Cleveland and Boston. And how everything slots in. I don't know what the specific rule is, but someone has to pick 9th, right? If Washington can't then it has to be Cleveland. |
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Post by manfred on Sept 17, 2023 10:07:32 GMT -5
Wouldn’t this move Cleveland up three spots even though they’re only eligible to move up two? Edit: I guess we wont really know how it shakes out until after the lottery and we know how many of those “-10” teams are ahead of Detroit, Washington, Cleveland and Boston. And how everything slots in. I don't know what the specific rule is, but someone has to pick 9th, right? If Washington can't then it has to be Cleveland. 9th pick is like the 13th floor. Just skip it. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 17, 2023 10:20:57 GMT -5
I live on the 13th floor -- it's perfectly fine.
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Post by manfred on Sept 17, 2023 10:23:42 GMT -5
I live on the 13th floor -- it's perfectly fine. So far….. |
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Post by ephus on Sept 17, 2023 10:59:03 GMT -5
I live on the 13th floor -- it's perfectly fine. Just don’t ask Lucca on floor two what it was. Any one yes, someone has to pick ninth. So might as well be Cleveland. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 17, 2023 11:10:38 GMT -5
Wait, how does the lottery work with teams that drop 10 spots?
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Post by ephus on Sept 17, 2023 11:39:30 GMT -5
Wait, how does the lottery work with teams that drop 10 spots? From MLB “ Clubs that are $40 million or more above the [luxury tax] threshold shall have their highest selection in the next Rule 4 Draft moved back 10 places unless the pick falls in the top six. In that case, the team will have its second-highest selection moved back 10 places instead.” Since this is based on where the pick falls, my understanding is that it is implemented after the lottery is held. Right now the two teams projected to pick ahead of Boston that would be subjected to this penalty are the Mets and the Padres. So, while if you look at the current “likely” draft order the Red Sox slot in at 13; in all likelihood they will actually pick at 11 if San Diego and the Mets both land between 7 - 12. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 17, 2023 11:46:56 GMT -5
Oh no, my Yankees win the lottery anxiety is even higher now.
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Post by bosox904 on Sept 17, 2023 12:15:04 GMT -5
I hope the A's get screwed by the lottery again.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 17, 2023 15:31:33 GMT -5
Between the 11th pick and not wasting $1 mil in international money next year the building of the farm should continue into next year
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 18, 2023 8:41:11 GMT -5
PICK TEAM RECORD WIN% GB STREAK L10 ODDS
1 Oakland 46-103 .309 -- Lost 4 4-6 16.50%
2 Kansas City 48-102 .320 1.5 Lost 1 4-6 16.50%
3 Colorado 56-93 .376 10.0 Lost 1 5-5 16.50%
4 CHI White Sox 57-93 .380 10.5 Lost 1 3-7 13.25%
5 St. Louis 66-83 .443 20.0 Won 1 5-5 10.00%
6 LA Angels 68-82 .453 21.5 Lost 5 4-6 7.50%
__ NY Mets 69-80 .463 23.0 Won 1 5-5 5.50%
7 Pittsburgh 70-80 .467 23.5 Won 1 5-5 3.90%
8 Detroit 70-79 .470 24.0 Won 4 7-3 2.70%
10 Washington 66-84 .440 19.5 Won 1 3-7
__ San Diego 72-78 .480 25.5 Won 4 6-4 1.40%
9 Cleveland 72-78 .480 25.5 Won 3 5-5 1.10%
11 Boston 74-76 .493 27.5 Lost 4 2-8 0.90%
12 San Francisco 76-74 .507 29.5 Won 1 6-4 0.76%
__ NY Yankees 76-74 .507 29.5 Lost 1 6-4 0.62%
13 Cincinnati 78-73 .517 31.0 Lost 1 5-5 0.48%
14 CHI Cubs 78-72 .520 31.5 Lost 5 2-8 0.36%
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Post by bosox904 on Sept 18, 2023 9:04:27 GMT -5
So if Texas falls out of the playoffs, they're also ineligible, does that yhen boost every other teams chances by a small margin?
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Post by cdj on Sept 18, 2023 9:53:44 GMT -5
Pittsburgh and Detroit keep playing decent baseball and we keep tanking we might be in business!
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