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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 29, 2023 11:46:18 GMT -5
All this lotto talk reminds of the story that came out after last years lotto that the Sox were literally like one ball/number away from getting the first pick. I'm glad they got Teel but boy imagine the buzz about the farm if they added either Crews/Skenes/Langford. Maybe that near luck they missed out on last year will propel their luck this year to rise a couple spots where ever they land in the lotto this year. Would've loved those sweet, sweet LSU fan page hits... Braden Montgomery or Tommy White next year (and then hopefully we aren’t picking in “elite SEC prospect” territory anytime soon after)!
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Post by ixnayexxus on Sept 29, 2023 12:17:51 GMT -5
I've been hearing that this is a down year for high school players, and after failing to medal at the World Cup, and now the fact that the 2024 draftees lost to the 2025 team, it seems that's indeed the case.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 29, 2023 12:23:32 GMT -5
I've been hearing that this is a down year for high school players, and after failing to medal at the World Cup, and now the fact that the 2024 draftees lost to the 2025 team, it seems that's indeed the case. I'm all about taking top HS talent in the 1st, but if they can land one of the top 5 college talents, it could fit very well into the next wave of talent timeline
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 29, 2023 12:26:21 GMT -5
I get that if your pick falls in top 6 then your next pick is the one that drops, but to me that's barely any sort of deterrent. That's dropping from 40 to 50 or something in that ballpark. I guess that I already get kind of annoyed at some of the other rules that "small market" teams get when it comes to the draft that this shouldn't really bother me and it doesn't bother me all that much but like I said just my two cents. Anywho, Looks like the lotto takes place on December 5th so in the grand scheme of things not too far away until we can know where the Sox pick first round and maybe start scouring early mock drafts. Hopefully there's some good risers in the 2024 draft class since VermontSox1 answered that as of right now it is thought to perhaps be a down year on my question how the draft was looking at this juncture. I think the penalty sort of assumes that if you spend a ton, you'll end up in the back half of the draft, not way down in lotto territory. It's designed to dissuade owners from trying to buy championships -- because next thing you know, they'll all bid up the prices of all the talent. That's what they're really trying to prevent.
As for risers in the draft, I hope they all float above wherever the Sox pick and push down all the "boring" top prospects that have been identified for months and even years as being the cream of the crop.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 29, 2023 12:27:11 GMT -5
I've been hearing that this is a down year for high school players, and after failing to medal at the World Cup, and now the fact that the 2024 draftees lost to the 2025 team, it seems that's indeed the case. I'm all about taking top HS talent in the 1st, but if they can land one of the top 5 college talents, it could fit very well into the next wave of talent timeline In theory I'm with you, I'd love to see one of the top college guys fall to wherever the Sox end up picking similar to how Teel did. I know you shouldn't draft for need ever in the MLB draft but boy would I love it if one of the top 1-2 college SP falls to them. For that to happen they'd probably have to get some good lotto luck since those guys usually don't fall though.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 29, 2023 12:29:06 GMT -5
I'm all about taking top HS talent in the 1st, but if they can land one of the top 5 college talents, it could fit very well into the next wave of talent timeline In theory I'm with you, I'd love to see one of the top college guys fall to wherever the Sox end up picking similar to how Teel did. I know you shouldn't draft for need ever in the MLB draft but boy would I love it if one of the top 1-2 college SP falls to them. For that to happen they'd probably have to get some good lotto luck since those guys usually don't fall though. If the BPA fills a need, so be it...
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Post by chaimtime on Sept 29, 2023 12:59:32 GMT -5
One interesting wrinkle for the off-season—if they hit in the lottery, then their first rounder will be safe from being moved back due to the CBT rules. I’ve got a hunch that they plan to spend as much as they’re allowed without draft pick penalties in order to demonstrate their “commitment to winning” or whatever
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Post by radiohix on Sept 29, 2023 13:00:26 GMT -5
I already started dreaming about drafting JJ Wetherholt. I’m setting myself up for disappointment but I don’t care, wanna dream big!
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 29, 2023 13:16:34 GMT -5
One interesting wrinkle for the off-season—if they hit in the lottery, then their first rounder will be safe from being moved back due to the CBT rules. I’ve got a hunch that they plan to spend as much as they’re allowed without draft pick penalties in order to demonstrate their “commitment to winning” or whatever If they hit on the lottery it will be safe anyway. They didn't pass over the CBT threshold this year. Any offseason spending that impacts their CBT status would be applied to the 2025 draft, when they hopefully will be picking later.
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Post by nomar on Sept 29, 2023 13:24:10 GMT -5
I already started dreaming about drafting JJ Wetherholt. I’m setting myself up for disappointment but I don’t care, wanna dream big! A lot of good college bats seem to be in our range. I can remember a draft with so many first baseman projected in the first round. If any of them can move to the OF that would be tempting too. Looking at you Nick Kurtz, Charlie Condon, or Tommy White. Wetherholt would easily be my #1 pick but I would be shocked if he makes it out of the top 3 and I would be shocked if the Sox lucked out that much, so I’m not letting myself go there.
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Post by okin15 on Sept 29, 2023 13:58:35 GMT -5
OK, for idiots like me showing up late to the party, three questions: 1) why might the Sox picks drop 10 spots? 2) why do the Mets seem pegged at 10? 3) what is the disbursement of Nationals odds?
An aside: I continue to maintain that the only way to encourage parity -- in all pro leagues -- is to give better picks to better (non-playoff) teams. The arguments against are usually sympathy for bottom-end teams and the "playoff cliff" for those who sadly just make the playoff and are now stacked at 16th rather than first (or whatever). But parity minimizes each of these issues and it becomes a positive feedback loop. Plus you get draft playoffs for every team, which rakes in the money, and keeps fans interested until the end. And perhaps you get back to a 154-game season since every team is going to play at least a few additional games.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 29, 2023 14:04:39 GMT -5
OK, for idiots like me showing up late to the party, three questions: 1) why might the Sox picks drop 10 spots? 2) why do the Mets seem pegged at 10? 3) what is the disbursement of Nationals odds? It won't. They're not. Nats got a lottery pick last year and you can't in consecutive years (or something).
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Post by chaimtime on Sept 29, 2023 14:10:26 GMT -5
One interesting wrinkle for the off-season—if they hit in the lottery, then their first rounder will be safe from being moved back due to the CBT rules. I’ve got a hunch that they plan to spend as much as they’re allowed without draft pick penalties in order to demonstrate their “commitment to winning” or whatever If they hit on the lottery it will be safe anyway. They didn't pass over the CBT threshold this year. Any offseason spending that impacts their CBT status would be applied to the 2025 draft, when they hopefully will be picking later. oh duh, good point. The financial quarter end has not been kind to my brain
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 29, 2023 20:42:39 GMT -5
With the Red Sox winning and the Tigers and Pirates losing, the Red Sox are locked into the 11-13 range for lottery odds. If the Giants win tonight then the Red Sox would be 11 or 12.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 29, 2023 21:21:32 GMT -5
Cant even tank right.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 30, 2023 6:47:11 GMT -5
Horrible night for tankathon. Pitt loses in final innings eliminates our chance of overtaking them. Angels' win (with two remaining against worst team, Oakland) increased their chances of overtaking Mets (and thus Mets' pick becoming protected and remaining ahead of us). And with Boston win and SF loss, we're a single game out of 13th (though with tiebreaker, it's really two games). 7th seemed possible yesterday, now 9th seems a realistic best, with 13th now equally possible.
6 LA Angels 72-88 .450 7** NY Mets 72-86 .456 7 (8) Pittsburgh 75-85 .469 8 (9) Detroit 76-84 .475 10 Washington 70-90 .438 9 (11) Cleveland 76-84 .475 11 (12) Boston 77-83 .481 12 (13) San Francisco 78-82 .488
Since Det and Cleveland play each other, one will have at least 77 wins. Barring another Boston win, if Cleveland wins, we move ahead of them to 11th (9th if Mets keep ahead of LAA). The only way we move ahead of Detroit is if they sweep the last two because they hold the tie breaker.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 30, 2023 21:21:31 GMT -5
Good night for tankathon.
Subject to lottery, ....
Mets sweep so will finish ahead of LAA (so drop out of top 15) Sox loss means the will finish ahead of SF
8 Cleveland 76-85 9 Detroit 77-84 10 Washington 70-90 .438 11 Boston 77-84
Cle v Detroit tomorrow means one will pass us, if we lose tomorrow.
down to:
9th pick if we lose, or 11th if we win
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Post by cba82 on Oct 1, 2023 9:23:49 GMT -5
“9th pick if we lose, or 11th if we win” — Just lose, baby.
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 1, 2023 9:35:27 GMT -5
Lose it for Chaim.
See his "rebuild the farm" mission through to fruition.
The plan built on the #4, #9 (or 11), #14, #17, #24, picks in the first round over the past four years. Hopefully we can spend the next few years debating whether to credit the new GM or Chaim for the superstar player picked at 9.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 9:35:50 GMT -5
“9th pick if we lose, or 11th if we win” — Just lose, baby. Watch them win just to spite that. Nothing better than a meaningless win. Lol.
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Post by azblue on Oct 1, 2023 9:54:16 GMT -5
Great day for a bullpen game. Pitchers take the mound in reverse order of their ERA's.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 1, 2023 10:18:18 GMT -5
Bring back Bear Claw!
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 1, 2023 16:51:33 GMT -5
Red Sox win - they will have the 12th best odds heading into the lottery.
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Post by cba82 on Oct 1, 2023 17:55:12 GMT -5
“9th pick if we lose, or 11th if we win” — Just lose, baby. Watch them win just to spite that. Nothing better than a meaningless win. Lol. This team couldn’t even tank successfully.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 18:00:42 GMT -5
Watch them win just to spite that. Nothing better than a meaningless win. Lol. This team couldn’t even tank successfully. Nope.
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