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7/19 Gameday Thread: Baseball For Lunch & Coffey For Dinner
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 19, 2023 7:54:17 GMT -5
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Post by huskies15 on Jul 19, 2023 9:10:45 GMT -5
Mayer begins his AA breakout today
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 19, 2023 9:14:45 GMT -5
Nick Yorke
.263/.294/.411 June
.214/.244/.333 July
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Post by nomar on Jul 19, 2023 9:20:51 GMT -5
Anybody have Meidroth’s Z-contact this year? His K rate has gone up despite the production so I’m curious how his contact percentages look.
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Post by art on Jul 19, 2023 9:21:41 GMT -5
Sogard is quietly having a very nice season.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 19, 2023 9:31:57 GMT -5
Nick Yorke .263/.294/.411 June .214/.244/.333 July How reactionary are we allowed to be with him? I mentioned it when I brought up the proposed Giolito trade, but I am genuinely concerned about Yorke right now. I ultimately think he will be a major leaguer to some extent still, but given the struggles he's had the last year and a half or so (in general, obviously he's had stretches where he's hit really well) combined with the peripherals that have been mentioned a few times with stuff like the in-zone chase rate, I feel much worse than I did at this time in 2021 about him being a true plus bat. I don't think he's worse than 50 or anything, but given the rest of the tools I'm not sure that is good enough for him to be a regular. I could just be overreacting, but if there's a team that will treat him like a borderline top-100 guy in trade talks, I'd probably capitalize on that. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 19, 2023 9:37:13 GMT -5
Nick Yorke .263/.294/.411 June .214/.244/.333 July How reactionary are we allowed to be with him? I mentioned it when I brought up the proposed Giolito trade, but I am genuinely concerned about Yorke right now. I ultimately think he will be a major leaguer to some extent still, but given the struggles he's had the last year and a half or so (in general, obviously he's had stretches where he's hit really well) combined with the peripherals that have been mentioned a few times with stuff like the in-zone chase rate, I feel much worse than I did at this time in 2021 about him being a true plus bat. I don't think he's worse than 50 or anything, but given the rest of the tools I'm not sure that is good enough for him to be a regular. I could just be overreacting, but if there's a team that will treat him like a borderline top-100 guy in trade talks, I'd probably capitalize on that. I think it is certainly fair to be concerned on Yorke, I know I am for many of the reasons you point out. He'd be a guy I wouldn't be terribly upset if they traded him to be honest but I wouldn't give him away that's for sure. Theoretically though I would have him as one of the more expendable prospects who likely holds decent value. Story probably isn't going anywhere and Mayer and Yorke are presumably on a similar timeline to the majors and Mayer is certainly considered a better prospect which would seemingly make him expendable. Not to mention they have Romero, Bonaci, Meidroth in the top 15. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 19, 2023 9:39:31 GMT -5
How reactionary are we allowed to be with him? I mentioned it when I brought up the proposed Giolito trade, but I am genuinely concerned about Yorke right now. I ultimately think he will be a major leaguer to some extent still, but given the struggles he's had the last year and a half or so (in general, obviously he's had stretches where he's hit really well) combined with the peripherals that have been mentioned a few times with stuff like the in-zone chase rate, I feel much worse than I did at this time in 2021 about him being a true plus bat. I don't think he's worse than 50 or anything, but given the rest of the tools I'm not sure that is good enough for him to be a regular. I could just be overreacting, but if there's a team that will treat him like a borderline top-100 guy in trade talks, I'd probably capitalize on that. I think it is certainly fair to be concerned on Yorke, I know I am for many of the reasons you point out. He'd be a guy I wouldn't be terribly upset if they traded him to be honest but I wouldn't give him away that's for sure. Theoretically though I would have him as one of the more expendable prospects who likely holds decent value. Story probably isn't going anywhere and Mayer and Yorke are presumably on a similar timeline to the majors and Mayer is certainly considered a better prospect which would seemingly make him expendable. Not to mention they have Romero, Bonaci, Meidroth in the top 15. Oh I'm certainly not ready to dump him for scraps, that's for sure, that's why I included the fringe top-100 caveat. Unfortunately other teams have access to his chase rates so maybe they'll be scared off for the same reasons I am, but I could see a team willing to take a swing on what is still a good amount of upside in the bat. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 19, 2023 10:03:33 GMT -5
Yorke's Davenport Peak Translations:
2021: .305/.370/.500
2022: .234/.291/.371
2023: .268/.329/.437
Adjusting for age and level, his 2023 is at about the mid-point of his first two seasons. I think getting some 2 WAR seasons out of him is a reasonable hope.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Jul 19, 2023 10:11:14 GMT -5
Yorke's Davenport Peak Translations: 2021: .305/.370/.500 2022: .234/.291/.371 2023: .268/.329/.437 Adjusting for age and level, his 2023 is at about the mid-point of his first two seasons. I think getting some 2 WAR seasons out of him is a reasonable hope. And he's still only 21. No issues giving him another two or three years to figure it out in the minors - nobody seems to like the funky mechanics he picked up in the offseason, so maybe he cleans those up and he gets back to being the guy we saw a couple of years ago. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 19, 2023 10:54:59 GMT -5
Anybody have Meidroth’s Z-contact this year? His K rate has gone up despite the production so I’m curious how his contact percentages look. Through 7/6 they've been outstanding. Actually improved from Greenville to Portland. |
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Post by radiohix on Jul 19, 2023 11:39:15 GMT -5
Nick Yorke .263/.294/.411 June .214/.244/.333 July How reactionary are we allowed to be with him? I mentioned it when I brought up the proposed Giolito trade, but I am genuinely concerned about Yorke right now. I ultimately think he will be a major leaguer to some extent still, but given the struggles he's had the last year and a half or so (in general, obviously he's had stretches where he's hit really well) combined with the peripherals that have been mentioned a few times with stuff like the in-zone chase rate, I feel much worse than I did at this time in 2021 about him being a true plus bat. I don't think he's worse than 50 or anything, but given the rest of the tools I'm not sure that is good enough for him to be a regular. I could just be overreacting, but if there's a team that will treat him like a borderline top-100 guy in trade talks, I'd probably capitalize on that. He made some drastic swing changes in the off season, so these new in zone whiffs are certainly the byproduct of that…I’ll give him more time to continue to tweak with them till he gets to the final product before worrying about it. The goal for him should be staying healthy and getting as many at bats as possible. He’s young for his level and has a great makeup. He’ll get a cup of coffee in Worcester by the end of the season and a chance to continue his work with their extensive coaching staff. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 19, 2023 11:43:18 GMT -5
How reactionary are we allowed to be with him? I mentioned it when I brought up the proposed Giolito trade, but I am genuinely concerned about Yorke right now. I ultimately think he will be a major leaguer to some extent still, but given the struggles he's had the last year and a half or so (in general, obviously he's had stretches where he's hit really well) combined with the peripherals that have been mentioned a few times with stuff like the in-zone chase rate, I feel much worse than I did at this time in 2021 about him being a true plus bat. I don't think he's worse than 50 or anything, but given the rest of the tools I'm not sure that is good enough for him to be a regular. I could just be overreacting, but if there's a team that will treat him like a borderline top-100 guy in trade talks, I'd probably capitalize on that. He made some drastic swing changes in the off season, so these new in zone whiffs are certainly the byproduct of that…I’ll give him more time to continue to tweak with them till he gets to the final product before worrying about it. The goal for him should be staying healthy and getting as many at bats as possible. He’s young for his level and has a great makeup. He’ll get a cup of coffee in Worcester by the end of the season and a chance to continue his work with their extensive coaching staff. I'm not sure that your statement about the whiffs being a result of the swing change is correct, I believe this was an issue last year as well but I'm not positive. Either way, the swing change has delivered *better* results from last year so if that's now the problem then I'm not quite sure what the solution is, he can't just keep changing his swing in perpetuity. He is young for the level for sure, I'm not writing him off by any means. But for someone with an extremely disproportionate level of pressure on the bat to carry, there is a concerning level of questions in the bat. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 19, 2023 11:48:03 GMT -5
Nick Yorke .263/.294/.411 June .214/.244/.333 July How reactionary are we allowed to be with him? I mentioned it when I brought up the proposed Giolito trade, but I am genuinely concerned about Yorke right now. I ultimately think he will be a major leaguer to some extent still, but given the struggles he's had the last year and a half or so (in general, obviously he's had stretches where he's hit really well) combined with the peripherals that have been mentioned a few times with stuff like the in-zone chase rate, I feel much worse than I did at this time in 2021 about him being a true plus bat. I don't think he's worse than 50 or anything, but given the rest of the tools I'm not sure that is good enough for him to be a regular. I could just be overreacting, but if there's a team that will treat him like a borderline top-100 guy in trade talks, I'd probably capitalize on that. I have the same concerns with his contact/hit tool, but he did just turn 21 so I don’t want to go too crazy in assuming that this is what he is forever. I think he should stay in Portland the full year and learn how to make more consistent contact in the zone before moving up the ladder again. I don’t really buy him being a top 100 prospect at this point, but looking at the farm’s 2B depth all they need is for one of Yorke, Meidroth, or Valdez to make the next step developmentally. And having 3 horses in the race is much better than 2, so I’m not in a rush to trade him unless it’s for a player who has a lot of team control remaining. |
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Post by radiohix on Jul 19, 2023 12:27:57 GMT -5
He made some drastic swing changes in the off season, so these new in zone whiffs are certainly the byproduct of that…I’ll give him more time to continue to tweak with them till he gets to the final product before worrying about it. The goal for him should be staying healthy and getting as many at bats as possible. He’s young for his level and has a great makeup. He’ll get a cup of coffee in Worcester by the end of the season and a chance to continue his work with their extensive coaching staff. I'm not sure that your statement about the whiffs being a result of the swing change is correct, I believe this was an issue last year as well but I'm not positive. Either way, the swing change has delivered *better* results from last year so if that's now the problem then I'm not quite sure what the solution is, he can't just keep changing his swing in perpetuity. He is young for the level for sure, I'm not writing him off by any means. But for someone with an extremely disproportionate level of pressure on the bat to carry, there is a concerning level of questions in the bat. His z-contact% last year was good (80.4%). That’s why I’m thinking this new red flag is coming with the mechanical changes. Also, this “he’s a one tool prospect” narrative is overblown imo. His defense will surprise a lot of people. |
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 19, 2023 12:40:15 GMT -5
Albertson Asigen hit his first stateside home run-his first since 2021.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 19, 2023 13:32:47 GMT -5
Yorke's Davenport Peak Translations: 2021: .305/.370/.500 2022: .234/.291/.371 2023: .268/.329/.437 Adjusting for age and level, his 2023 is at about the mid-point of his first two seasons. I think getting some 2 WAR seasons out of him is a reasonable hope. And he's still only 21. No issues giving him another two or three years to figure it out in the minors - nobody seems to like the funky mechanics he picked up in the offseason, so maybe he cleans those up and he gets back to being the guy we saw a couple of years ago. Any prospect can be traded as part of the right package - especially with the Sox needing to pick up a starter before the trade deadline if they want to try to contend for a playoff spot. That being said, I'm sort of surprised at the negatives about Yorke, who is 5 years younger than Duran, who finally seems to have figured it out this year. I consider Yorke a bat to try to keep track of rather than give away at the first opportunity, if only because he is a RHH. With Devers, Masa, and probably two of Duran/Casas/Verdugo around for the mid-term anyway, with Mayer expected to be the SS of the future unless/until he proves otherwise, Anthony foisting himself on the organization's radar rapidly, and with Teel probably given every chance to show that he can be, at the very least, part of the next future catching tandem, the organization is LH dominant. I'd want every RHH in the pipeline who has a chance to be an impact offensive player to be kept until things sort themselves out. That means I want all of Yorke/Jordan/Bleis to stay. And I want Rafaela to stay too because of his defense. He could be one of the most valuable players in the major leagues in a couple of years. If, on the other hand, Valdez or Romero is a needed addition to a worthwhile trade, I'd move them in an instant. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 19, 2023 14:19:43 GMT -5
I'm visiting Hadlock Field for the first time today. Any food recommendations?
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jul 19, 2023 16:02:47 GMT -5
Who is in line to start for Salem tomorrow?
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Post by sittingstill on Jul 19, 2023 16:03:02 GMT -5
I'm visiting Hadlock Field for the first time today. Any food recommendations? I have a lot of Portland food recommendations, but unfortunately none at Hadlock. (I'm still annoyed about a "fried fish sandwich" I got years ago that turned out to be a fish stick in a hot dog bun.) But everything else about the park is great! |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 19, 2023 16:13:33 GMT -5
Who is in line to start for Salem tomorrow? Unclear, but fwiw, it says De La Rosa online. I figured he'd join the rotation when Perales got promoted, so it seems likely that's correct. |
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Post by jchang on Jul 19, 2023 16:18:41 GMT -5
I'm visiting Hadlock Field for the first time today. Any food recommendations? lobstah roll? I didn't eat at Hadlock, but Duckfat on middle st was good - if you are a duck fan |
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Post by nomar on Jul 19, 2023 16:21:11 GMT -5
I'm visiting Hadlock Field for the first time today. Any food recommendations? I have a lot of Portland food recommendations, but unfortunately none at Hadlock. (I'm still annoyed about a "fried fish sandwich" I got years ago that turned out to be a fish stick in a hot dog bun.) But everything else about the park is great! Agreed. Portland has some amazing food and baseball, but they don’t overlap. |
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Post by ramireja on Jul 19, 2023 18:13:49 GMT -5
I'm visiting Hadlock Field for the first time today. Any food recommendations? Salvage BBQ is a couple blocks away from the stadium and is a nice spot for some bbq and beer |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 19, 2023 18:14:50 GMT -5
Only one mild mention of today's nooner?
Salem K'd 15 times, while our pitcher - Jose Ramirez - allowed 8 hits and a BB in 5.2 innings (5K's) and we win 6-4 (not 12-10 or something like that).
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