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Post by iakovos11 on Sept 9, 2023 8:50:46 GMT -5
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Post by Mike Andrews on Sept 9, 2023 15:56:43 GMT -5
Salem game cancelled
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 9, 2023 19:06:45 GMT -5
Pedro Martinez has come out of retirement and is playing 3B for the Phils.
Bases loaded, no outs, Jordan up with teel on deck, rain delay....
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Post by kingstephanos on Sept 9, 2023 19:38:24 GMT -5
Anthony with 2 2Bs so far tonight
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 9, 2023 19:53:44 GMT -5
Anthony has a picturesque left-handed swing
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Sept 9, 2023 20:29:23 GMT -5
Down and in pulled to right, up and smacked the other way to left. Both off of a lefty, as well. This guy may be more exciting than Meyer at this point...
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 9, 2023 20:37:59 GMT -5
Anthony now at .237/.389/.406 vs LHP for the year
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 9, 2023 20:56:20 GMT -5
Any trade discussions in the off season, Anthony gonna be top of the wish list. Gotta be a deal too good to pass up to move him.
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Post by kingstephanos on Sept 9, 2023 22:01:16 GMT -5
Roman Anthony is becoming what I thought Ryan Westmorland was going to be as a player (minus the upper echelon athleticism of course).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 10, 2023 1:50:15 GMT -5
Roman Anthony is becoming what I thought Ryan Westmorland was going to be as a player (minus the upper echelon athleticism of course). Westmorland was true five tool. No way. Anthony should become a high power corner (likely right field) with plus defense. He'll have more than his fair share of strikeouts to go along with his more than fair share of hrs. Bleis is probably a closer comp in terms of tools to Westmorelnd but RW was a higher probability because he wasn't as raw. Nobody but nobody has Westmoreland's character and drive. Think about re-stepping onto a baseball field after not knowing how to walk. Think about how many hours it took picking up paper clips and putting them into a box before he could master tying his own shoes. There is no comp to Westmoreland. (excuse the rant). ADD: Last I heard Ryan married his high school sweetheart and is a baseball coach somewhere. I follow him on twitter and have only seen 1 post recently, for some charity event. |
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 10, 2023 5:56:07 GMT -5
Trot Nixon best case?
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 10, 2023 6:28:10 GMT -5
Roman Anthony is becoming what I thought Ryan Westmorland was going to be as a player (minus the upper echelon athleticism of course). Westmorland was true five tool. No way. Anthony should become a high power corner (likely right field) with plus defense. He'll have more than his fair share of strikeouts to go along with his more than fair share of hrs. Bleis is probably a closer comp in terms of tools to Westmorelnd but RW was a higher probability because he wasn't as raw. Nobody but nobody has Westmoreland's character and drive. Think about re-stepping onto a baseball field after not knowing how to walk. Think about how many hours it took picking up paper clips and putting them into a box before he could master tying his own shoes. There is no comp to Westmoreland. (excuse the rant). ADD: Last I heard Ryan married his high school sweetheart and is a baseball coach somewhere. I follow him on twitter and have only seen 1 post recently, for some charity event. Seems to me Anthony has the potential to be a 5 tool guy. His contact is solid, his power is good, from what ive read recently his defense should hold up in CF, don't think he's slow but guess I don't know about his arm. Anthony has a ways to go yet but the potential is obviously there. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 10, 2023 7:14:43 GMT -5
Westmorland was true five tool. No way. Anthony should become a high power corner (likely right field) with plus defense. He'll have more than his fair share of strikeouts to go along with his more than fair share of hrs. Bleis is probably a closer comp in terms of tools to Westmorelnd but RW was a higher probability because he wasn't as raw. Nobody but nobody has Westmoreland's character and drive. Think about re-stepping onto a baseball field after not knowing how to walk. Think about how many hours it took picking up paper clips and putting them into a box before he could master tying his own shoes. There is no comp to Westmoreland. (excuse the rant). ADD: Last I heard Ryan married his high school sweetheart and is a baseball coach somewhere. I follow him on twitter and have only seen 1 post recently, for some charity event. Seems to me Anthony has the potential to be a 5 tool guy. His contact is solid, his power is good, from what ive read recently his defense should hold up in CF, don't think he's slow but guess I don't know about his arm. Anthony has a ways to go yet but the potential is obviously there. From a strange source, SoxProspects... Run: Average speed. Likely to lose speed as he physically matures. Defense: Red Sox believe he can stick in center field long-term, but others believe he ends up in a corner. Does not project as a standout defender in either location. Average defensive profile. Arm: Average arm strength That's not the description of a five tool player... Stevedillard's Trot Nixon comp seems far more realistic. Trot was a force until back issues hampered his career. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 10, 2023 7:26:35 GMT -5
Seems to me Anthony has the potential to be a 5 tool guy. His contact is solid, his power is good, from what ive read recently his defense should hold up in CF, don't think he's slow but guess I don't know about his arm. Anthony has a ways to go yet but the potential is obviously there. From a strange source, SoxProspects... Run: Average speed. Likely to lose speed as he physically matures. Defense: Red Sox believe he can stick in center field long-term, but others believe he ends up in a corner. Does not project as a standout defender in either location. Average defensive profile. Arm: Average arm strength That's not the description of a five tool player... Stevedillard's Trot Nixon comp seems far more realistic. Has that been updated since the beginning of the year when he was at the very low end of his meteoric rise up the rankings? Don't get me wrong Nixon would be a fine outcome for Anthony I'd 100 percent take it he was a solid player but Anthony has a much higher ceiling it would seem. Edit: perhaps I'm short changing Nixon, I just checked his fangraphs page. Didn't realize that from 1999 to 03 he was pretty much a 3+ fWAR pace player per 150 games played. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 10, 2023 7:30:53 GMT -5
From a strange source, SoxProspects... Run: Average speed. Likely to lose speed as he physically matures. Defense: Red Sox believe he can stick in center field long-term, but others believe he ends up in a corner. Does not project as a standout defender in either location. Average defensive profile. Arm: Average arm strength That's not the description of a five tool player... Stevedillard's Trot Nixon comp seems far more realistic. Has that been updated since the beginning of the year when he was at the very low end of his meteoric rise up the rankings? Don't get me wrong Nixon would be a fine outcome for Anthony I'd 100 percent take it he was a solid player but Anthony has a much higher ceiling it would seem. I don't see it but I'm not a scout. Trot seems like his ceiling to me. He's streaky and has a long swing. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 10, 2023 7:47:14 GMT -5
I do want to say that on my personal ranking, I have him 3rd just above Mayer. There's nothing wrong with average at everything else when you have a plus plus tool, power.
I think the meteoric rise wasn't due to different evaluations, i think it was his converting raw power to in game power. That's a different animal.
I do think he'll be a solid corner outfielder but I don't see center field but again, I'm just an amateur with time on his hands.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 10, 2023 8:47:47 GMT -5
From a strange source, SoxProspects... Run: Average speed. Likely to lose speed as he physically matures. Defense: Red Sox believe he can stick in center field long-term, but others believe he ends up in a corner. Does not project as a standout defender in either location. Average defensive profile. Arm: Average arm strength That's not the description of a five tool player... Stevedillard's Trot Nixon comp seems far more realistic. Has that been updated since the beginning of the year when he was at the very low end of his meteoric rise up the rankings? Don't get me wrong Nixon would be a fine outcome for Anthony I'd 100 percent take it he was a solid player but Anthony has a much higher ceiling it would seem. Edit: perhaps I'm short changing Nixon, I just checked his fangraphs page. Didn't realize that from 1999 to 03 he was pretty much a 3+ fWAR pace player per 150 games played. yes Nixon was sneaky good in terms of RF defense and obp and power. And in addition to the stats you cite for 99-03, he hit .315.377.510 .887 in only 1/3 of a season in 2004, and had a fine record overall in 11 postseason series, hitting .283.348.493.841. He hurt his back in the minor leagues and had a number of injuries later, but he played hard and played well. |
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Post by rickasadoorian on Sept 10, 2023 11:46:51 GMT -5
It's one of the better outcomes but I wouldn't call it best case. The best case is a HOF career. While it's not incredibly likely, it wasn't very likely for Mookie Betts either (if he stays healthy). Many thought Betts' best case was Tony Phillips. That Mookie would be a super sub getting 500-600 PA playing all around the field. Tony Phillips would have been a great outcome, not best case. Tony Phillips is one of the best outcomes for any prospect, but if he were the "best" outcome, no one would ever make the HOF. It's probably semantics on what "best case" means. Anthony would be lucky to have Trot Nixon's career, but there's a small chance that he surpasses that. This is especially true if he can hit lefties at all. Anthony is definitely the more highly regarded prospect and so far has had the better minor league career. He's been considerably younger than Trot at every level despite both being HS draft picks. Anthony was 17 when drafted, Nixon 19. Nixon struggled mightily in AA and then spend 2 years in AAA before making the Majors for good at 24. Of course, none of that really means anything. Anthony may not translate to AA/AAA or the majors. Nixon did. Though regarding Trot Nixon... I started following the minors closely around 1998. I don't remember the Trot Nixon that was the 13th best prospect in all of baseball. I remember the guy who wasn't ranked/ranked 99th. Nixon's BA prospect ranking Pre 94: 13th Pre 95: 46th Pre 96: 36th Pre 97: not in top 100 Pre 98: not in top 100 Pre 99: 99th. Still, I think Anthony's best case outcome is considerably better than Trot Nixon... even if I'd bet against him being as good as Trot Nixon. |
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Post by rickasadoorian on Sept 10, 2023 11:49:45 GMT -5
I do want to say that on my personal ranking, I have him 3rd just above Mayer. There's nothing wrong with average at everything else when you have a plus plus tool, power. I think the meteoric rise wasn't due to different evaluations, i think it was his converting raw power to in game power. That's a different animal. I do think he'll be a solid corner outfielder but I don't see center field but again, I'm just an amateur with time on his hands. Who is your 1 and 2? I'm guessing it's 2 of Rafaela, Bleis and Teel? |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 10, 2023 12:07:04 GMT -5
I do want to say that on my personal ranking, I have him 3rd just above Mayer. There's nothing wrong with average at everything else when you have a plus plus tool, power. I think the meteoric rise wasn't due to different evaluations, i think it was his converting raw power to in game power. That's a different animal. I do think he'll be a solid corner outfielder but I don't see center field but again, I'm just an amateur with time on his hands. Who is your 1 and 2? I'm guessing it's 2 of Rafaela, Bleis and Teel? Rafaela Teel Anthony Mayer Yorke Bleis I have Yorke and Bleis about equal, the others I'm pretty firm on. It's admittedly way off beat, pretty much what you'd expect from an armchair GM. I also have different motivators than most and it's pretty much based on what i see, not pure stats although, most of the time, the stats equal what I'm seeing, Rafaela for example. I'm also a bit different on how I watch pitchers, I watch the catcher and the batter, not the pitches per se (except obvious mechanics of course). |
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Post by manfred on Sept 10, 2023 13:12:50 GMT -5
To me, Trot-who-stays-healthy is a great outcome for about anyone. I’d be thrilled.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 10, 2023 14:07:15 GMT -5
It's one of the better outcomes but I wouldn't call it best case. The best case is a HOF career. While it's not incredibly likely, it wasn't very likely for Mookie Betts either (if he stays healthy). Many thought Betts' best case was Tony Phillips. That Mookie would be a super sub getting 500-600 PA playing all around the field. Tony Phillips would have been a great outcome, not best case. Tony Phillips is one of the best outcomes for any prospect, but if he were the "best" outcome, no one would ever make the HOF. It's probably semantics on what "best case" means. Anthony would be lucky to have Trot Nixon's career, but there's a small chance that he surpasses that. This is especially true if he can hit lefties at all. Anthony is definitely the more highly regarded prospect and so far has had the better minor league career. He's been considerably younger than Trot at every level despite both being HS draft picks. Anthony was 17 when drafted, Nixon 19. Nixon struggled mightily in AA and then spend 2 years in AAA before making the Majors for good at 24. Of course, none of that really means anything. Anthony may not translate to AA/AAA or the majors. Nixon did. Though regarding Trot Nixon... I started following the minors closely around 1998. I don't remember the Trot Nixon that was the 13th best prospect in all of baseball. I remember the guy who wasn't ranked/ranked 99th. Nixon's BA prospect ranking Pre 94: 13th Pre 95: 46th Pre 96: 36th Pre 97: not in top 100 Pre 98: not in top 100 Pre 99: 99th. Still, I think Anthony's best case outcome is considerably better than Trot Nixon... even if I'd bet against him being as good as Trot Nixon. Good summary of Trot Nixon's early career, and the back problems that dogged his first three years in the minors. www.minorleagueball.com/2006/8/6/121136/7888 |
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