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Post by pk on Oct 3, 2023 14:07:44 GMT -5
With Jansen only through 2024, who do you think could be groomed to take over from him? Winck? Whitlock? Houck? External?
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Post by ixnayexxus on Oct 3, 2023 16:30:39 GMT -5
What about Bryan Mata? If not as a closer, then a reliever for sure.
Probably something external though, if not, then Whitlock.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Oct 3, 2023 16:36:28 GMT -5
What about Bryan Mata? If not as a closer, then a reliever for sure. Probably something external though, if not, then Whitlock. Mata even being an MLB player would be a huge win at this point, expecting him to be high leverage at all feels pretty unrealistic. |
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Post by costpet on Oct 3, 2023 17:08:32 GMT -5
Sale next year. Use Jansan as a trade piece.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 3, 2023 18:21:21 GMT -5
These sure are some takes
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 3, 2023 19:39:33 GMT -5
The 2025 closer is likely somebody who is not in the organization currently.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Oct 3, 2023 20:19:15 GMT -5
I think it’s most likely to be Whitlock
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Post by pk on Oct 5, 2023 12:22:34 GMT -5
The 2025 closer is likely somebody who is not in the organization currently. Respectfully I disagree. Between Whitlock, Houck, or Winck, I would think they could be groomed under Martin and Jansen to learn… Whitlock did it before with some success, and Houck does great the first time through an order… |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 5, 2023 12:30:35 GMT -5
The 2025 closer is likely somebody who is not in the organization currently. Respectfully I disagree. Between Whitlock, Houck, or Winck, I would think they could be groomed under Martin and Jansen to learn… Whitlock did it before with some success, and Houck does great the first time through an order… I think Whitlock would be hard pressed to pitch consistently on back to back days given his injury history. Houck could close, as could Winchowski, but they are guys capable of getting 6 plus outs which makes them more valuable in a multi-inning type of role rather than being pigeon holed as a 3 out closer which most closers are. I thought prior to this year that Schreiber could be a closer. Hes certainly not a multi inning reliever. My guess is they find somebody outside of the organization who is established and is a 3 out type of guy, but YMMV, and you certainly could be correct. Relievers are so volatile it's hard to project 2 years down the road. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 5, 2023 12:53:22 GMT -5
Future MLB closer?
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Post by ixnayexxus on Oct 5, 2023 13:37:00 GMT -5
I'd wager he could currently close for half the teams in the majors right now |
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Post by pk on Oct 6, 2023 13:47:28 GMT -5
Respectfully I disagree. Between Whitlock, Houck, or Winck, I would think they could be groomed under Martin and Jansen to learn… Whitlock did it before with some success, and Houck does great the first time through an order… I think Whitlock would be hard pressed to pitch consistently on back to back days given his injury history. Houck could close, as could Winchowski, but they are guys capable of getting 6 plus outs which makes them more valuable in a multi-inning type of role rather than being pigeon holed as a 3 out closer which most closers are. I thought prior to this year that Schreiber could be a closer. Hes certainly not a multi inning reliever. My guess is they find somebody outside of the organization who is established and is a 3 out type of guy, but YMMV, and you certainly could be correct. Relievers are so volatile it's hard to project 2 years down the road. Very true. I guess my thought process would be more about the combination of skill and mental toughness a closer needs. Thinking back to Papelbon. He was a starter in the minors if memory serves, but was crazy enough to be a lights out closer as well. IMO, it isn’t just about whether they can get 6 outs, but it is about handling the added stress of the final 3. The ability to get 4+ outs only adds to the closer’s value. I am wrong in many things, so may be here too. |
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 6, 2023 14:21:24 GMT -5
Respectfully I disagree. Between Whitlock, Houck, or Winck, I would think they could be groomed under Martin and Jansen to learn… Whitlock did it before with some success, and Houck does great the first time through an order… I think Whitlock would be hard pressed to pitch consistently on back to back days given his injury history. Houck could close, as could Winchowski, but they are guys capable of getting 6 plus outs which makes them more valuable in a multi-inning type of role rather than being pigeon holed as a 3 out closer which most closers are. I thought prior to this year that Schreiber could be a closer. Hes certainly not a multi inning reliever. My guess is they find somebody outside of the organization who is established and is a 3 out type of guy, but YMMV, and you certainly could be correct. Relievers are so volatile it's hard to project 2 years down the road. I like the idea of using Houck in the multi-inning role in 2024 and moving him to closer in '25. His dominance in the first two times through the order screams out reliever to me. I wouldn't be deterred by his multi-inning ability. It'd be a benefit to have a closer who can occasoinally go two innings, as long it's not done so often that the guy wears down or gets hurt. It's one of the things that made Keith Foulke so special in '04. As I've said, closer is a position that I think it's great to develop internally. Buying an established one on the FA market is inefficient (though I'm glad Theo signed Foulke  ). I agree on Whit. He was at his best and healthiest in 2021 when Cora used him carefully. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 6, 2023 18:08:02 GMT -5
I think Whitlock would be hard pressed to pitch consistently on back to back days given his injury history. Houck could close, as could Winchowski, but they are guys capable of getting 6 plus outs which makes them more valuable in a multi-inning type of role rather than being pigeon holed as a 3 out closer which most closers are. I thought prior to this year that Schreiber could be a closer. Hes certainly not a multi inning reliever. My guess is they find somebody outside of the organization who is established and is a 3 out type of guy, but YMMV, and you certainly could be correct. Relievers are so volatile it's hard to project 2 years down the road. Very true. I guess my thought process would be more about the combination of skill and mental toughness a closer needs. Thinking back to Papelbon. He was a starter in the minors if memory serves, but was crazy enough to be a lights out closer as well. IMO, it isn’t just about whether they can get 6 outs, but it is about handling the added stress of the final 3. The ability to get 4+ outs only adds to the closer’s value. I am wrong in many things, so may be here too. Not necessarily. Your recall on Papelbon is spot on. He was a starter in the minors but the guy was kind of crazy and who knows if his focus would have lasted or repertoire of pitches would have held up as a starter. If you're talking about the traits you mentioned then there is a guy on the staff who would have the traits you mentioned to possibly be a really good closer, but his problem is that he's a guy whose ability to pitch every 5th day is too highly needed on an often injured staff and that guy is Nick Pivetta. I think he might check off the boxes you mentioned. Remember when the number 1 seed was on the line in 2021, who Cora turned to? Remember that Tampa game where he went 4 innings in relief? He was electric. I think he could be a really good closer if it came down to it. But at this time, the Sox need him to throw innings and it's tough to think theyll have enough innings eaters around if they retain Pivetta that they wont need him to eat innings. |
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Post by pk on Oct 9, 2023 9:21:36 GMT -5
Very true. I guess my thought process would be more about the combination of skill and mental toughness a closer needs. Thinking back to Papelbon. He was a starter in the minors if memory serves, but was crazy enough to be a lights out closer as well. IMO, it isn’t just about whether they can get 6 outs, but it is about handling the added stress of the final 3. The ability to get 4+ outs only adds to the closer’s value. I am wrong in many things, so may be here too. Not necessarily. Your recall on Papelbon is spot on. He was a starter in the minors but the guy was kind of crazy and who knows if his focus would have lasted or repertoire of pitches would have held up as a starter. If you're talking about the traits you mentioned then there is a guy on the staff who would have the traits you mentioned to possibly be a really good closer, but his problem is that he's a guy whose ability to pitch every 5th day is too highly needed on an often injured staff and that guy is Nick Pivetta. I think he might check off the boxes you mentioned. Remember when the number 1 seed was on the line in 2021, who Cora turned to? Remember that Tampa game where he went 4 innings in relief? He was electric. I think he could be a really good closer if it came down to it. But at this time, the Sox need him to throw innings and it's tough to think theyll have enough innings eaters around if they retain Pivetta that they wont need him to eat innings. Very good call on Pivetta. I had forgotten about how amped he was getting. You’re right though, an innings eater like him is quite valuable doing just that. |
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