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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 17, 2023 11:31:35 GMT -5
The non-tender deadline is today at 8pm. The Red Sox non-tender options:
Nick Pivetta - $6.9 million (projected 2024 salary) Alex Verdugo - $9.2 million Luis Urias - $4.7 million Reese McGuire - $1.7 million John Schreiber - $1.3 million
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Post by pappyman99 on Nov 17, 2023 11:45:17 GMT -5
Urias and 50/50 on McGuire to non tender
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 17, 2023 11:48:48 GMT -5
Urias and 50/50 on McGuire to non tender I would be absolutely shocked if they non tendered mcguire. He's a very capable backup C and they don't have anyone else in the org ready to replace him.
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 17, 2023 11:49:23 GMT -5
The way Breslow’s been talking makes me think Urias does not get tendered, but I would keep everyone.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 17, 2023 11:51:18 GMT -5
The way Breslow’s been talking makes me think Urias does not get tendered, but I would keep everyone. Yeah they keep saying they're in the market for a right handed 2B.
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Post by Jason on Nov 17, 2023 11:53:21 GMT -5
Why are people looking at Mcguire as a non-tender option? He's a (realtively) cheap productive backup catcher. Are there options out there that are really worth saving a few hundred thousand?
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Post by manfred on Nov 17, 2023 12:05:57 GMT -5
Urias looks like the only guy who could be replaced with real savings. Everyone else is a good price for what you are getting.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 17, 2023 12:10:40 GMT -5
Sure, Urias projects to be a league average player who costs only $5 million, but his replacement could be anything. It could even be a league average player who costs only $5 million!
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 17, 2023 12:14:10 GMT -5
I'm semi bullish on Urias so I hope the keep him, as Incandenza points out he's got the floor of an average player for just 5M and has upside to be much better as he's put up above average seasons at 2nd base and is still in his mid 20s. He also has an option, not that having a guy in AAA for 5M adds much value but still.
If Breslow thinks he can't get and/or stay healthy though I can see the hesitancy in tendering him.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 17, 2023 12:17:24 GMT -5
Sure, Urias projects to be a league average player who costs only $5 million, but his replacement could be anything. It could even be a league average player who costs only $5 million! Could be a boat. I've always wanted a boat.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 17, 2023 12:19:42 GMT -5
Sure, Urias projects to be a league average player who costs only $5 million, but his replacement could be anything. It could even be a league average player who costs only $5 million! Could be a boat. I've always wanted a boat. or a transformer!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 17, 2023 13:43:16 GMT -5
Urias and 50/50 on McGuire to non tender I would be absolutely shocked if they non tendered mcguire. He's a very capable backup C and they don't have anyone else in the org ready to replace him. So this is where I was, but Cotillo made the point the other day that there is a fairly robust free agent group of backup catcher types. If you think you can get one for similar money who, perhaps, can throw out baserunners... I'd get it. CATCHERS Gary Sánchez (31 years old, 3.0 WAR) Mitch Garver (33, 2.4) Victor Caratini (30, 2.3) Tom Murphy (33, 1.3) Roberto Pérez (35, 0.5) Austin Hedges (31, 0.3) Curt Casali (35, 0.2) Jorge Alfaro (31, 0.1) Michael Perez (31, 0.0) Tucker Barnhart (33, -0.1) Manny Piña (37, -0.1) Mike Zunino (33, -0.2) Yasmani Grandal (35, -0.5) Martín Maldonado (37, -0.7) Sandy León (35, -0.8)
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 17, 2023 13:45:00 GMT -5
I would be absolutely shocked if they non tendered mcguire. He's a very capable backup C and they don't have anyone else in the org ready to replace him. So this is where I was, but Cotillo made the point the other day that there is a fairly robust free agent group of backup catcher types. If you think you can get one for similar money who, perhaps, can throw out baserunners... I'd get it. CATCHERS Gary Sánchez (31 years old, 3.0 WAR) Mitch Garver (33, 2.4) Victor Caratini (30, 2.3) Tom Murphy (33, 1.3) Roberto Pérez (35, 0.5) Austin Hedges (31, 0.3) Curt Casali (35, 0.2) Jorge Alfaro (31, 0.1) Michael Perez (31, 0.0) Tucker Barnhart (33, -0.1) Manny Piña (37, -0.1) Mike Zunino (33, -0.2) Yasmani Grandal (35, -0.5) Martín Maldonado (37, -0.7) Sandy León (35, -0.8) Even if that was the case though why wouldn't you tender McGuire then make sure you sign the guy you want then trade McGuire because he's worth more than $1.3M
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 17, 2023 13:50:19 GMT -5
I would be absolutely shocked if they non tendered mcguire. He's a very capable backup C and they don't have anyone else in the org ready to replace him. So this is where I was, but Cotillo made the point the other day that there is a fairly robust free agent group of backup catcher types. If you think you can get one for similar money who, perhaps, can throw out baserunners... I'd get it. CATCHERS Gary Sánchez (31 years old, 3.0 WAR) Mitch Garver (33, 2.4) Victor Caratini (30, 2.3) Tom Murphy (33, 1.3) Roberto Pérez (35, 0.5) Austin Hedges (31, 0.3) Curt Casali (35, 0.2) Jorge Alfaro (31, 0.1) Michael Perez (31, 0.0) Tucker Barnhart (33, -0.1) Manny Piña (37, -0.1) Mike Zunino (33, -0.2) Yasmani Grandal (35, -0.5) Martín Maldonado (37, -0.7) Sandy León (35, -0.8) Fair point, it's not like McGuire is some awesome backup catcher he can certainly be upgraded from perhaps semi easily and maybe as illustrated for roughly the same amount. I guess I hadn't really given it much thought or research. Still feels like McGuire makes more sense to tender than not but I guess we'll have our answer in a few short hours.
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Post by cdj on Nov 17, 2023 13:51:24 GMT -5
I’d rather have McGuire than the majority of that list tbh
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Nov 17, 2023 16:51:30 GMT -5
I’d Rather have Victor Caratini , McGuire is mediocre , has no power , good contact hitter and last year he was very injury prone , just pray Teel keeps flying through the system
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 17, 2023 17:59:25 GMT -5
So this is where I was, but Cotillo made the point the other day that there is a fairly robust free agent group of backup catcher types. If you think you can get one for similar money who, perhaps, can throw out baserunners... I'd get it. CATCHERS Gary Sánchez (31 years old, 3.0 WAR) Mitch Garver (33, 2.4) Victor Caratini (30, 2.3) Tom Murphy (33, 1.3) Roberto Pérez (35, 0.5) Austin Hedges (31, 0.3) Curt Casali (35, 0.2) Jorge Alfaro (31, 0.1) Michael Perez (31, 0.0) Tucker Barnhart (33, -0.1) Manny Piña (37, -0.1) Mike Zunino (33, -0.2) Yasmani Grandal (35, -0.5) Martín Maldonado (37, -0.7) Sandy León (35, -0.8) Even if that was the case though why wouldn't you tender McGuire then make sure you sign the guy you want then trade McGuire because he's worth more than $1.3M If there are that many alternative options, it might be difficult to find a trade partner... unless you pay his salary and they are getting McGuire for a prospect and no money vs. signing someone from the list for money and no prospect.
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 17, 2023 18:08:09 GMT -5
Even if that was the case though why wouldn't you tender McGuire then make sure you sign the guy you want then trade McGuire because he's worth more than $1.3M If there are that many alternative options, it might be difficult to find a trade partner... unless you pay his salary and they are getting McGuire for a prospect and no money vs. signing someone from the list for money and no prospect. Most of those alternatives are worse than McGuire and to most teams $1.3M is pretty much no money (and is going to be less than the superior options to McGuire get)
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 17, 2023 18:41:55 GMT -5
The way Breslow’s been talking makes me think Urias does not get tendered, but I would keep everyone. Yeah they keep saying they're in the market for a right handed 2B. I would feel better about tendering him if he had a floor of a defensive wizard at 2B and we're just hoping he can get back to his 2021-22 bat. But he looks like more of a bat-first UT who can play multiple positions passably, so I would be fine non-tendering him and looking for someone with a higher floor.
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Post by nonothing on Nov 17, 2023 19:17:39 GMT -5
Only Urias should be non-tendered. McGuire will have value to us or to somebody else when their C gets hurt. No reason to spend time on that slot until Teel arrives.
But I see them trading for Edman for 2B (CF/SS) so similar money to Urias. Would non-tender Urias
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Post by kwodes on Nov 17, 2023 19:51:00 GMT -5
The Mariners are acquiring Luis Urías to the Mariners, according to the Boston Globe’s Alex Speier.
"The Red Sox are being short-sighted here, but at least they’re getting a little something for Urías, instead of non-tendering him. The Mariners can have Urías compete at second base or maybe start at third if the rumors are true that Eugenio Suárez is available."
Rotoworld.com
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Post by oleary25 on Nov 17, 2023 19:56:20 GMT -5
Isaiah Campbell per mlbtraderumors RHP is the return.
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Post by kwodes on Nov 17, 2023 19:56:51 GMT -5
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Post by Jimmy on Nov 17, 2023 20:14:57 GMT -5
Give woodruff the Paxton deal
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 17, 2023 20:21:06 GMT -5
Give woodruff the Paxton deal Assuming they don't really care about the LT this year I'd be fine with giving Woodruff a decent little 2 year deal. Probably not pitching in 2024 but if they plan to burn through the LT anyway he could be an absolute bargain in year 2.
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