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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 4, 2023 10:30:08 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 4, 2023 10:34:48 GMT -5
As i said in another thread the quotes in that area are from AGENTS who were given the ability to soeak anonymously.
Agents. Who i doubt have the amount of insight into the internal FO workings as they claim to have
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 4, 2023 10:46:06 GMT -5
The quote is definitely damning to anyone who thinks it is applicable to a Baseball Ops dude who has been in charge for one (1) offseason month.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Dec 4, 2023 10:46:40 GMT -5
As i said in another thread the quotes in that area are from AGENTS who were given the ability to soeak anonymously. Agents. Who i doubt have the amount of insight into the internal FO workings as they claim to have Can't agree with this enough. The majority of the quotes from other agents seemed to express more concerns about his overall lack of experience and about ownership's change in spending philosophy.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 4, 2023 10:51:53 GMT -5
My guess is things were bad in Worcester this season. All the pitchers failed, they fired the pitching coach and bullpen coach right away, Bryan Mata was publicly called out for being lazy and Breslow made a bunch of comments in his presser about needing to get everyone pulling in the same direction in the organization.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 4, 2023 11:11:18 GMT -5
The quote is definitely damning to anyone who thinks it is applicable to a Baseball Ops dude who has been in charge for one (1) offseason month. Could be referencing non player personel among Sox levels. Used to be jobs as coaches were kind of a reward to a player/buddy sometimes. maybe there are a few known around the league just like that who are really not qualified, yet hold jobs. Not popular am sure among many on this site, but it did happen at one time and really don't see why it could have stopped, other than it defeats any purpose of developing young kids. Could name names of ones years ago figured got coaching jobs exactly same way described in Athletic article.
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Post by manfred on Dec 4, 2023 11:31:26 GMT -5
Maybe Breslow is throwing us a bone, giving us something to talk about while nothing else is going on. I like this guy already!
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Post by mobaz on Dec 4, 2023 12:36:14 GMT -5
My Athletic account expired so can't read the context, but I'd assumed from reading the quote on the first thread that it was referring to the ranks of front office, NOT the minor leagues. What is the read that leads people to think there were developmental/minor league problems?
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Post by vaulter on Dec 4, 2023 12:43:37 GMT -5
My Athletic account expired so can't read the context, but I'd assumed from reading the quote on the first thread that it was referring to the ranks of front office, NOT the minor leagues. What is the read that leads people to think there were developmental/minor league problems? I read the article and what's been quoted on this thread is the full quote. I assume it's about the minor leagues because the quote says the team has "an already poor internal culture, particularly at the minor-league level"
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Dec 4, 2023 13:29:39 GMT -5
"... while many of the good people in the front office can’t keep up ..." The claim comes from an outsider -- an anonymous player agent. Also, the outsider has identified certain folks within the organization as "good people," and I ask -- what criteria does a player agent use for ascertaining who is "good" vs. who is, presumably, "bad"? Access, would be my guess. A big nothing burger. Best served with extra fries & a chocolate shake.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 4, 2023 13:30:11 GMT -5
In terms of parsing the quote, it seems pretty clearly to be talking about staff and not players, if the latter is how anyone is taking it.
And to be clear this is all news to me. I've never heard anything of the sort regarding the player dev staff.
Like what "issues" have been "handled poorly?" Dermody? Perhaps Bonaci? Guys trying to play through injuries maybe? The quote makes it seem like it's been this parade of issues but I'm not seeing it.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 4, 2023 13:48:22 GMT -5
My Athletic account expired so can't read the context, but I'd assumed from reading the quote on the first thread that it was referring to the ranks of front office, NOT the minor leagues. What is the read that leads people to think there were developmental/minor league problems? On a completely unrelated note, I let my account expire last week because $72 a year is too much and they weren't offering a cancelation deal, but just within the hour I was able to sign back up for the $1/month for 1 year using the same account. They could have had me for $40 or $50 if they'd offered before I cancelled, but now they only get 12 bucks. See you again next year, accounts! On a related note, thanks for the clarifications.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Dec 4, 2023 13:49:56 GMT -5
I see some possibly disgruntled former staff, but it's tough to reconcile a minor league system that seemingly blossomed into a top 10 farm last season with a "Poor internal culture, and unmanageable damage control and chaos."
I mean, think of how incredible our prospects must really be, if everyone's lazy and nobody can wrap their heads around player development.
If anything the poor fundamentals and lack of cohesion seem to in the big league where Cora still holds a pretty incredible managerial reputation considering the last two seasons.
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Post by sittingstill on Dec 4, 2023 13:55:54 GMT -5
I think there's always tension when staff competence is evaluated based on the performance of others, and also when you have an organization where it's difficult to move up the ranks if the folks in positions senior to you don't move first. And plenty of things can go wrong internally in all organizations if management styles don't mesh or if there's inadequate opportunity for professional development and advancement (which has to be a priority established at the top). I have zero inside information here but I did find it interesting that after being highlighted by the Sox as women in baseball both Katie Krall and Bianca Smith chose to leave the org for new opportunities. Are there staff venting to that agent that they are not appreciated/valued/paid enough? Folks who feel threatened by newcomers? Coaches or ops people determined that their methods are sound and failure is the players' fault? Are there people who were great at staff management who have either been promoted out of the roles or who have left the organization without that talent being a priority in replacing them?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Dec 4, 2023 14:55:41 GMT -5
My Athletic account expired so can't read the context, but I'd assumed from reading the quote on the first thread that it was referring to the ranks of front office, NOT the minor leagues. What is the read that leads people to think there were developmental/minor league problems? On a completely unrelated note, I let my account expire last week because $72 a year is too much and they weren't offering a cancelation deal, but just within the hour I was able to sign back up for the $1/month for 1 year using the same account. They could have had me for $40 or $50 if they'd offered before I cancelled, but now they only get 12 bucks. See you again next year, accounts! On a related note, thanks for the clarifications. I've had a different experience: post-cancel re-upped in 8/22 for $21.99 & $24.00 this past year. Good value, in my opinion. YMMV.
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Post by greenmonster on Dec 4, 2023 16:37:15 GMT -5
I have absolutely no inside information but I did have a gut feeling around the time that Bloom was fired. My gut was telling me that someone in the support staff was upset that Bloom was hired over them and was undermining his efforts which ultimately led to his firing. If true, with the hiring of Breslow,they have now been passed over a second time. This kinda fits with the "good people" comment....ie, the good people keep getting passed over and screwed, etc. A full house cleaning might be needed.
I hope I am wrong (wouldn't be the first time)
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Post by rickasadoorian on Dec 6, 2023 10:03:00 GMT -5
I guess dysfunction doesn't always lead to terrible results. At least from a fan perspective, it looked like a good year down on the farm.
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