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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 6, 2023 14:52:32 GMT -5
It's never too early to start looking at next year...looks like the Red Sox will have a lot of 40-man decisions and only a few that seem like locks at this point. There should be more interesting 40-man decisions around the league, too. Here are some names that are eligible: Angel Bastardo Brainer Bonaci Allan Castro Brendan Cellucci Felix Cepeda Juan Daniel Encarnación Hunter Dobbins Richard Fitts Grant Gambrell Luis Guerrero Justin Hagenman Nathan Hickey Blaze Jordan Niko Kavadas Christian Koss Chih-Jung Liu Matthew Lugo Tyler McDonough Yordanny Monegro Wyatt Olds Helcris Olivarez Eddinson Paulino Zach Penrod Corey Rosier Stephen Scott Reidis Sena Phillip Sikes Noah Song Christopher Troye Tyler Uberstine Jacob Webb Jeremy Wu-Yelland Nick Yorke Ryan Zeferjahn www.soxprospects.com/rule5.htm |
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 6, 2023 15:07:49 GMT -5
Hoo boy, that's a list. Bastardo, Bonaci, Castro, Dobbins, Fitts, Hickey, Jordan, Monegro, Paulino and Yorke all look like guys that have a pretty strong chance at earning a spot. Gambrell, Penrod, Cepeda, Guerrero wouldn't be too surprising either
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Post by ramireja on Dec 6, 2023 16:05:49 GMT -5
My first thought is that the time to thin out some of this list is this offseason....not next offseason when there is more desperation (but little space) to protect players.
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Post by bosoxnation on Dec 7, 2023 0:03:25 GMT -5
All this talent we should be able to trade for a number 2-3 starter. Theres no way we should be holding onto all these players.
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Post by 0ap0 on Dec 7, 2023 9:28:19 GMT -5
My first thought is that the time to thin out some of this list is this offseason....not next offseason when there is more desperation (but little space) to protect players. Agreed. Not just from the roster-building perspective, but also giving more of these kids more of an opportunity. I'm a big fan of Rule 5, even if it can be tough as a homer. |
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Post by soxin8 on Dec 7, 2023 11:36:32 GMT -5
I agree with the idea it's better to receive something in trade for a player than lose them in the rule 5 draft. The difficult part is finding a trade partner willing to take your marginal players for someone you value more. Most of these players can be minor additions in a deal like Basabe and Victor Diaz were in the Sale trade but likely not main pieces to right now get someone like Bieber or Cease.
Looking at this list, it appears the Sox may also lose players next year but it's definitely a good problem to have.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 7, 2023 11:46:28 GMT -5
All this talent we should be able to trade for a number 2-3 starter. Theres no way we should be holding onto all these players. I don't think this is the group that gets you a frontline starter. It's a lot of guys in the current 11-30ish range (and Yorke) but teams aren't going to give up a current 2-3 for the 40 FV pu pu platter. I see a lot of guys who have high variance and could play their way into being must-adds or playing their way out of the conversation. |
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Post by 0ap0 on Dec 7, 2023 12:37:04 GMT -5
I agree with the idea it's better to receive something in trade for a player than lose them in the rule 5 draft. The difficult part is finding a trade partner willing to take your marginal players for someone you value more. You should be able to cut bait on more advanced, less-upside, higher-floor prospects for young lottery tickets, though. That's what keeps a farm young and growing instead of stagnating. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 7, 2023 14:05:44 GMT -5
I agree with the idea it's better to receive something in trade for a player than lose them in the rule 5 draft. The difficult part is finding a trade partner willing to take your marginal players for someone you value more. You should be able to cut bait on more advanced, less-upside, higher-floor prospects for young lottery tickets, though. That's what keeps a farm young and growing instead of stagnating. Should you though? Like do you want the Red Sox to trade a young lottery ticket for some other team's Ryan Fernandez? If no, then why would some other team? The only example of this I can think of is when they got Koss for Yoan Aybar. It was a nice bit of business on Boston's end but that's rare that teams are going to line up on that kind of trade. |
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Post by bosoxnation on Dec 7, 2023 18:52:34 GMT -5
All this talent we should be able to trade for a number 2-3 starter. Theres no way we should be holding onto all these players. I don't think this is the group that gets you a frontline starter. It's a lot of guys in the current 11-30ish range (and Yorke) but teams aren't going to give up a current 2-3 for the 40 FV pu pu platter. I see a lot of guys who have high variance and could play their way into being must-adds or playing their way out of the conversation. after seeing what Soto went for. Im sure theres a rental 3 starter we can package some of these kids for then ink em for few more years. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Dec 7, 2023 19:08:13 GMT -5
I don't think this is the group that gets you a frontline starter. It's a lot of guys in the current 11-30ish range (and Yorke) but teams aren't going to give up a current 2-3 for the 40 FV pu pu platter. I see a lot of guys who have high variance and could play their way into being must-adds or playing their way out of the conversation. after seeing what Soto went for. Im sure theres a rental 3 starter we can package some of these kids for then ink em for few more years. No, there aren't |
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Post by cdj on Dec 7, 2023 19:13:03 GMT -5
I don't think this is the group that gets you a frontline starter. It's a lot of guys in the current 11-30ish range (and Yorke) but teams aren't going to give up a current 2-3 for the 40 FV pu pu platter. I see a lot of guys who have high variance and could play their way into being must-adds or playing their way out of the conversation. after seeing what Soto went for. Im sure theres a rental 3 starter we can package some of these kids for then ink em for few more years. King and Thorpe are both better than anybody on that list Teams don’t want to acquire a pupu platter of guys they too have to find a spot for on the 40 man. It’s one thing if they’ve already had some big league success like Vasquez and Brito, it’s another thing if they haven’t been past AA |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 25, 2024 19:21:10 GMT -5
It is a long interesting list of the Red Sox Minor League players and pitchers who will be Rule 5 eligible after the 2024 season. Who will continue to progress enough to be added to the 40-man…. As Jerome Powell says when referring to interest rate changes….”It will depend on the numbers”…. Time will tell who elevates their game enough?
December 2024 Rule 5 Eligible
Early season leading candidates?
-Angel Bastardo
-Hunter Dobbins
-Luis Guerrero
-Yordanny Monegro
-Nick Yorke
Watch list?
-Allan Castro
-Grant Gambrell
-Nathan Hickey
-Blaze Jordan
-Eddinson Paulino
-Corey Rosier
Rest of the list
Albertson Asigen
Alex Binelas
Brainer Bonaci
Taylor Broadway
Zach Bryant
Maceo Campbell
Brendan Cellucci
Juan Chacon
Nathanael Cruz
Luis De La Rosa
Theo Denlinger
Kelvin Diaz
Jordan DiValerio
Juan Daniel Encarnacion
Albert Feliz
Max Ferguson
Michael Fulmer
Jhostynxon Garcia
Bryan Gonzalez
Francis Hernandez
Gabriel Jackson
Lyonell James
Niko Kavadas
Christian Koss
Robert Kwiatkowski
CJ Liu
Eduardo Lopez
Matthew Lugo
Elih Marrero
Tyler McDonough
Tyler Miller
Wyatt Mills
Juan Montero
Wyatt Olds
Ronald Rosario
Stephen Scott
Cody Scroggins
Reidis Sena
Chase Shugart
Phillip Sikes
Karson Simas
Nick Sogard
Noah Song
Dylan Spacke
Luis Talavera
Nate Tellier
Christopher Troye
Tyler Uberstine
Miguel Ugueto
Brian Van Belle
Diego Viloria
Jacob Webb
Jeremy Wu-Yelland
Ryan Zeferjahn
Please add anyone who was not on the Soxprospect list as of 2/24/24, and anyone I may have missed who is an early season deserving candidate.
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Post by strike23 on Feb 25, 2024 19:33:24 GMT -5
Would Fulmer actually be R5 eligible? I'd have thought he could opt out of the minor league deal for a major league one but not that any team could draft him.
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 25, 2024 20:12:25 GMT -5
Good catch about Fulmer. If his rehab goes well you would expect him to get protected if he's eligible for the draft. He has a long track record of major league success. I'm not sure if there's been much reporting about his contract, there may be something funky in there that makes him less appealing to draft.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 26, 2024 11:18:56 GMT -5
So after a couple years where players who were seemingly quite new to the system being R5 eligible after missing the COVID year (Still seems impossible that Allan Castro was eligible), this is actually a much smaller crop of newly eligible players. There was no international class starting in 2020, so the only new international guys are the ones who signed after the DSL season ended in 2019. I think Yordanny Monegro is the only top-60 guy whom this applies to.
I don't see any reason why Fulmer wouldn't be R5 eligible. A drafting team would have to pay his $1.5M roster bonus at that point, I assume.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 26, 2024 18:21:59 GMT -5
So after a couple years where players who were seemingly quite new to the system being R5 eligible after missing the COVID year (Still seems impossible that Allan Castro was eligible), this is actually a much smaller crop of newly eligible players. There was no international class starting in 2020, so the only new international guys are the ones who signed after the DSL season ended in 2019. I think Yordanny Monegro is the only top-60 guy whom this applies to. I don't see any reason why Fulmer wouldn't be R5 eligible. A drafting team would have to pay his $1.5M roster bonus at that point, I assume. The list I copied to the thread was from Soxprospect, so Fulmer may need to be removed. Fitts was not on the list. Is he Rule 5 eligible, and is he someone who should be added? Pitchers are easier to stash on a 26-man roster than position players. With that said, Yorke and Castro have to be the most likely position players to be added at this point. I wonder what percentage of position players vs pitchers are taken in the Rule 5 draft, and what percentage of position players actually stick? |
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 26, 2024 18:35:43 GMT -5
I don't know if the double negative tripped it up, but I was agreeing that Fulmer is eligible.
Good catch on Fitts.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Feb 27, 2024 1:34:04 GMT -5
Forum rules require that we mention Noah Song.
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Post by soxin8 on Apr 18, 2024 17:16:46 GMT -5
Paulino (3 months younger than Yorke) and Penrod with strong early performances for consideration to be protected. But a lot of baseball still to be played.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 19, 2024 9:15:22 GMT -5
Given his versatility and proximity, Paulino sure seems to fit in the "very likely" category at an absolute minimum.
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Post by GyIantosca on Apr 19, 2024 9:19:46 GMT -5
There’s no way we’re the only team facing this issue . Another thing at least this will force them to open as many spots as possible. No carrying any questionable players.
They have time to evaluate these kids. Very interesting .
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 24, 2024 20:06:22 GMT -5
December 2024 Rule 5 Eligible
Early season leading candidates?
-Angel Bastardo
-Hunter Dobbins
-Richard Fitts
-Michael Fulmer
-Luis Guerrero
-Yordanny Monegro
-Eddinson Paulino
Watch list?
-Allan Castro
-Grant Gambrell
-Nathan Hickey
-Blaze Jordan
-Matthew Lugo
-Nick Yorke
Rest of the list
Albertson Asigen
Alex Binelas
Brainer Bonaci
Taylor Broadway
Zach Bryant
Maceo Campbell
Brendan Cellucci
Juan Chacon
Nathanael Cruz
Luis De La Rosa
Theo Denlinger
Kelvin Diaz
Jordan DiValerio
Juan Daniel Encarnacion
Albert Feliz
Max Ferguson
Jhostynxon Garcia
Bryan Gonzalez
Francis Hernandez
Gabriel Jackson
Lyonell James
Niko Kavadas
Robert Kwiatkowski
CJ Liu
Eduardo Lopez
Elih Marrero
Tyler McDonough
Tyler Miller
Wyatt Mills
Juan Montero
Wyatt Olds
Ronald Rosario
Corey Rosier
Cody Scroggins
Reidis Sena
Chase Shugart
Phillip Sikes
Karson Simas
Nick Sogard
Noah Song
Dylan Spacke
Luis Talavera
Nate Tellier
Christopher Troye
Tyler Uberstine
Miguel Ugueto
Brian Van Belle
Diego Viloria
Jacob Webb
Jeremy Wu-Yelland
Ryan Zeferjahn
Stephen Scott and Christian Koss have been removed, and Richard Fitts and Michael Fulmer added. Several in the top two groups have moved around.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 24, 2024 20:15:33 GMT -5
Not many good starts to the year on that list.
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