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2024 Minor League Spring Training
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 20, 2024 9:17:29 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 20, 2024 10:06:22 GMT -5
Miguel Bleis with a big league body talking about selective aggression
Hype season never ended boys!
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 20, 2024 10:37:46 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 20, 2024 11:23:43 GMT -5
Jeez, he transformed his body so much he grew two inches, that's some serious dedication
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 20, 2024 12:24:47 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 20, 2024 12:37:46 GMT -5
I know it's just spring training so expectations should be tempered and SSS and all that jazz but I'm starting to get real excited for Miguel Bleis and what kind of prospect/player he could end up being. While I would not bet on it, it would not surprise me all that much to see him jump everyone for the top spot in the farm.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 20, 2024 15:37:02 GMT -5
Draft scouting report had him 90 MPH sinker/changeup. Sweeper/splitter are the two pitches Driveline loves
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 20, 2024 15:40:53 GMT -5
This sounds great but at the same time brings back memories of excited reports about Gilberto Jiménez arriving "looking like a halfback." Hard to believe he's fallen completely out of the top 60. I wonder if we had the data we have now (and thought the same) if Jimenez wouldn't have gotten quite as much hype, at least here. Fwiw, not only is he not ranked, he was available in minor league Rule 5 and nobody took him.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 20, 2024 15:50:53 GMT -5
It's also important to remember that the Jimenez hype happened:
A) During a time when there was no baseball, and B) During a time when the farm system was as barren as it had ever been. I think we all kinda needed someone to be excited about.
For context's sake, despite how high he climbed in our rankings, he never made a top-100 list and (if my memory serves) never really got much consideration. In normal times, he probably would've been ranked like 8-10 range and been exposed a bit more quickly.
Bleis has all of those physical attributes, but also had exit velocity and hard-hit numbers that were off the charts for his age during his FCL stint. He's also a much more natural defender. He's still a high-risk guy, but he's a much, much better prospect than Jimenez ever was, even if their SP peak ranks are so similar.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 20, 2024 16:17:57 GMT -5
Jimenez peaked at #4 twice.
10/23/19 thru 2/10/20, behind Casas, Mata, and Groome. This is probably the nadir of the system, as Dunnzo said.
April and June thru July 2021, behind Casas, Downs, and Duran. Coming up but still weak. In May he got passed by Whitlock (who then graduated) and Houck for a month.
I think, at his peak, he's maybe a little bit down from where Bleis was this offseason, which for Bleis was down from where he was entering last year, for context.
To maybe put it another way, as a fantasy baseball player in a deep dynasty league, I was never really tempted in our minor league draft to draft Jimenez, whereas I was pissed when our director of scouting grabbed Bleis last year. And Bleis is by far the better defender.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 21, 2024 10:33:32 GMT -5
That looks more like Salem quality batting practice than FCL quality batting practice IMO
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 21, 2024 10:39:29 GMT -5
Cespedes is the guy outside the top 5 I am most interested to see how he does. I could see a big year and a lot of helium in his future. Hopefully he proves that to be the case and joins the list of blue chippers at the top of the farm.
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Post by nomar on Mar 21, 2024 11:11:11 GMT -5
Bleis supposedly grew 2 inches and put on 30 pounds which would bump him to 6’2 200. Pretty big frame all of the sudden
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 21, 2024 11:41:15 GMT -5
Cespedes is the guy outside the top 5 I am most interested to see how he does. I could see a big year and a lot of helium in his future. Hopefully he proves that to be the case and joins the list of blue chippers at the top of the farm. When Anthony, Mayer, and Teel graduate into the majors I suspect Cespedes will become the new #1 prospect, even ahead of Bleis. I wouldn't be surprised if it's Cespedes who ententually pushes Devers into the DH role several years down the road.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 21, 2024 11:46:14 GMT -5
Cespedes is the guy outside the top 5 I am most interested to see how he does. I could see a big year and a lot of helium in his future. Hopefully he proves that to be the case and joins the list of blue chippers at the top of the farm. When Anthony, Mayer, and Teel graduate into the majors I suspect Cespedes will become the new #1 prospect, even ahead of Bleis. I wouldn't be surprised if it's Cespedes who ententually pushes Devers into the DH role several years down the road. If all goes well as we hope, Anthony/Mayer/Teel graduate sometime during the 2025 season which would certainly leave the door wide open for Cespedes to take the #1 spot depending on Bleis's bounceback ability.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 21, 2024 11:55:51 GMT -5
When Anthony, Mayer, and Teel graduate into the majors I suspect Cespedes will become the new #1 prospect, even ahead of Bleis. I wouldn't be surprised if it's Cespedes who ententually pushes Devers into the DH role several years down the road. If all goes well as we hope, Anthony/Mayer/Teel graduate sometime during the 2025 season which would certainly leave the door wide open for Cespedes to take the #1 spot depending on Bleis's bounceback ability. I think there's a reasonable chance Bleis bounces back but even with that, if Cespedes bat is as good as hoped for, there may be some flip flopping between the 2 but Cespedes might even push ahead of an ascending Bleis.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 21, 2024 12:00:32 GMT -5
If all goes well as we hope, Anthony/Mayer/Teel graduate sometime during the 2025 season which would certainly leave the door wide open for Cespedes to take the #1 spot depending on Bleis's bounceback ability. I think there's a reasonable chance Bleis bounces back but even with that, if Cespedes bat is as good as hoped for, there may be some flip flopping between the 2 but Cespedes might even push ahead of an ascending Bleis. I would not at all be upset with a sort of 1A and 1B scenario similar to what the Sox have now with Anthony and Mayer. If so, it'd be a heck of a development for the Sox and the farm. Cespedes bat does sound really impressive for an 18 year old with some extra projection left on their body.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 21, 2024 12:08:43 GMT -5
I think there's a reasonable chance Bleis bounces back but even with that, if Cespedes bat is as good as hoped for, there may be some flip flopping between the 2 but Cespedes might even push ahead of an ascending Bleis. I would not at all be upset with a sort of 1A and 1B scenario similar to what the Sox have now with Anthony and Mayer. If so, it'd be a heck of a development for the Sox and the farm. Cespedes bat does sound really impressive for an 18 year old with some extra projection left on their body. I could see a season or 2, 3 or 4 years down the road where the lineup is all home grown. Odds are against it, but at least you can reasonably imagine it anyways. Anthony LF Grissom 2B Devers DH Casas 1B Cespedes 3B Mayer SS Bleis RF Rafaela CF Teel C
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 21, 2024 12:14:40 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 21, 2024 12:30:02 GMT -5
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Post by jbuttah on Mar 21, 2024 12:33:57 GMT -5
I would not at all be upset with a sort of 1A and 1B scenario similar to what the Sox have now with Anthony and Mayer. If so, it'd be a heck of a development for the Sox and the farm. Cespedes bat does sound really impressive for an 18 year old with some extra projection left on their body. I could see a season or 2, 3 or 4 years down the road where the lineup is all home grown. Odds are against it, but at least you can reasonably imagine it anyways. Anthony LF Grissom 2B Devers DH Casas 1B Cespedes 3B Mayer SS Bleis RF Rafaela CF Teel C Flip Cespedes and Mayer and you have a deal! I wouldn't be surprised if 1 or 2 of those names are traded for pitching.
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Post by jbuttah on Mar 21, 2024 12:35:23 GMT -5
Hope it's just me, but that swing looks a little slowish.
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Post by jimoh on Mar 21, 2024 13:11:21 GMT -5
I would not at all be upset with a sort of 1A and 1B scenario similar to what the Sox have now with Anthony and Mayer. If so, it'd be a heck of a development for the Sox and the farm. Cespedes bat does sound really impressive for an 18 year old with some extra projection left on their body. I could see a season or 2, 3 or 4 years down the road where the lineup is all home grown. Odds are against it, but at least you can reasonably imagine it anyways. Anthony LF Grissom 2B Devers DH Casas 1B Cespedes 3B Mayer SS Bleis RF Rafaela CF Teel C Put in Yorke in 2b and you have nine home-grown players, rather than eight plus a guy acquired in trade in Grissom.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 21, 2024 15:43:36 GMT -5
I could see a season or 2, 3 or 4 years down the road where the lineup is all home grown. Odds are against it, but at least you can reasonably imagine it anyways. Anthony LF Grissom 2B Devers DH Casas 1B Cespedes 3B Mayer SS Bleis RF Rafaela CF Teel C Put in Yorke in 2b and you have nine home-grown players, rather than eight plus a guy acquired in trade in Grissom. True, Good point. Vaughn was Atlanta system raised but at barely 23 he feels like a young Sox farm hand at this point. I'll take Vaughn's future over Yorke's at 2b, but maybe Yorke slides in at LF before Bleis is ready if Duran and Abreu dont pan out. I just have a tendency to think of Yorke as a future 2b elsewhere, unless Vaughn's minor league success was a mirage or Yorke somehow pulls off the LF conversion well enough and increases his offensive profile to justify him in LF.
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Post by hsatstone on Mar 21, 2024 16:25:12 GMT -5
When did the Red Sox sign both Bryce Bonnin and Conor Steinbaugh? Also what happened to Frayner Noria I see him on the dept chart but I do not see were he is expected to play this season and I have not seen him in camp? Thanks
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