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Post by James Dunne on Mar 26, 2024 19:32:11 GMT -5
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Post by asm18 on Mar 26, 2024 19:49:03 GMT -5
Monty to D-backs - what a damn good off-season for them
At least it’s not the Yankees
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Post by incandenza on Mar 26, 2024 19:59:24 GMT -5
What a comically sad contract for him. And yet another one I would have been perfectly happy if the Red Sox had signed.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Mar 26, 2024 20:01:15 GMT -5
Monty to D-backs - what a damn good off-season for them At least it’s not the Yankees Diamondbacks doing what they need to do so they can contend.
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Post by asm18 on Mar 26, 2024 20:05:06 GMT -5
Look on the bright side, everyone - we can spend countless futile and delirious hours discussing Jordan Montgomery again when he opts out in November on the future 2025 Red Sox Off-season Thread
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Post by nomar on Mar 26, 2024 20:09:19 GMT -5
Monty to D-backs - what a damn good off-season for them At least it’s not the Yankees Love this for them. Would have liked it for us too, but oh well.
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Post by notstarboard on Mar 26, 2024 20:11:37 GMT -5
What a comically sad contract for him. And yet another one I would have been perfectly happy if the Red Sox had signed. Yeah, I definitely agree on this one. I would have loved him on a short-term deal like this. It's more like a 2/50 unless he has a catastrophic injury in the first half, which is a little less appealing to me than a 2/50 deal with a quick opt out because you can't QO him after this season and I'm a bigger believer in the value of that QO pick than I am in Monty (and his QO-ability) in 2025, but still totally worth it in my opinion.
I'm pretty sure the Sox would have been slightly over the tax line if they gave him this deal, but they could definitely have found a way to get under. I wish I knew why they didn't want to match this. Feels like they either have cashflow issues or they believe *a lot* in the guys already on the roster.
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Post by bluechip on Mar 26, 2024 20:12:20 GMT -5
What a comically sad contract for him. And yet another one I would have been perfectly happy if the Red Sox had signed. Yeah but the Diamondbacks are more likely to be playing in October.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Mar 26, 2024 20:13:09 GMT -5
Monty to D-backs - what a damn good off-season for them At least it’s not the Yankees Diamondbacks doing what they need to do so they can contend. I wonder what that feels like?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 26, 2024 20:15:12 GMT -5
Hard to believe the Sox couldn't have made a more substantial offer to get him? The Dbacks got him for relatively little. Disappointing.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 26, 2024 20:37:42 GMT -5
That is basically a 2/50 contract, which is almost exactly fair value according to his projections. Will be interested to see if this gets officially signed before or after opening day.
This and Imanaga are the two deals I wish the Sox had done.
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Post by Smittyw on Mar 26, 2024 20:47:45 GMT -5
Tragic offseason for Boras. I know we all enjoy clowning on him, but several of his guys deserved far better than they ended up getting and that kind of sucks to see.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Mar 26, 2024 20:48:31 GMT -5
Hard to believe the Sox couldn't have made a more substantial offer to get him? The Dbacks got him for relatively little. Disappointing. 25 million would have probably put them over the tax. They needed to move Jansen and or Yoshida to "afford" Montgomery. They didn't do that so Montgomery signed elsewhere for 2 years. More or less.
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Post by sxfan on Mar 26, 2024 20:55:10 GMT -5
Revisionist history, but I would have much rather signed Montgomery for 2/50 versus Giolito for 2/38. I would have wanted that pre injury too, basing it off the past 2 years of the back of the baseball card.
Maybe Montgomery would have needed more like 27.5 in 2024 to come to Boston, because of where they stood this off-season and the questionable contention this year.
I think that's where the Sox made their mistake. Giolito versus Montgomery.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Mar 26, 2024 20:58:58 GMT -5
The "good grief" off season is finally over. But...good grief.
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Post by notstarboard on Mar 26, 2024 21:06:11 GMT -5
Hard to believe the Sox couldn't have made a more substantial offer to get him? The Dbacks got him for relatively little. Disappointing. 25 million would have probably put them over the tax. They needed to move Jansen and or Yoshida to "afford" Montgomery. They didn't do that so Montgomery signed elsewhere for 2 years. More or less. Cots thinks they have enough room to sign Montgomery to a 2/50 as is. Fangraphs thinks they're ~$600k short. @redsoxpayroll thinks they're a couple million short.
If we assume they're a few million short max, they could have covered that with a couple minor moves like not signing Anderson (which wouldn't have been necessary had they signed Montgomery) and letting Joely walk in favor of guys like Bernardino and Booser.
It seems to me they didn't want to offer 2/50+ and/or Montgomery didn't want to sign in Boston for that amount of money. They really could have made it work.
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Post by notstarboard on Mar 26, 2024 21:11:24 GMT -5
Revisionist history, but I would have much rather signed Montgomery for 2/50 versus Giolito for 2/38. I would have wanted that pre injury too, basing it off the past 2 years of the back of the baseball card. Maybe Montgomery would have needed more like 27.5 in 2024 to come to Boston, because of where they stood this off-season and the questionable contention this year. I think that's where the Sox made their mistake. Giolito versus Montgomery. I see where you're coming from - this was my first thought when I saw this deal too - but given the reports that the Sox had specific tweaks in mind for Giolito and that Giolito liked what they had to say, I'd personally still have preferred the Giolito deal. Montgomery has never been as good as Giolito was at his peak and Giolito is 18 months younger. Giolito looked at least as durable at the time he was signed too. If you think you can get Giolito anywhere near back to the guy he was, that's probably a better value, and the lower AAV would also have given the Sox enough flexibility to add someone at the deadline while staying under the tax line.
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Post by puzzler on Mar 26, 2024 21:18:47 GMT -5
25 million would have probably put them over the tax. They needed to move Jansen and or Yoshida to "afford" Montgomery. They didn't do that so Montgomery signed elsewhere for 2 years. More or less. Cots thinks they have enough room to sign Montgomery to a 2/50 as is. Fangraphs thinks they're ~$600k short. @redsoxpayroll thinks they're a couple million short.
If we assume they're a few million short max, they could have covered that with a couple minor moves like not signing Anderson (which wouldn't have been necessary had they signed Montgomery) and letting Joely walk in favor of guys like Bernardino and Booser.
It seems to me they didn't want to offer 2/50+ and/or Montgomery didn't want to sign in Boston for that amount of money. They really could have made it work.
Yeah well he'd be a Red Sox if he was willing to accept this deal in early January 2024. But I think we all know he wasn't.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 26, 2024 21:19:09 GMT -5
25 million would have probably put them over the tax. They needed to move Jansen and or Yoshida to "afford" Montgomery. They didn't do that so Montgomery signed elsewhere for 2 years. More or less. Cots thinks they have enough room to sign Montgomery to a 2/50 as is. Fangraphs thinks they're ~$600k short. @redsoxpayroll thinks they're a couple million short.
If we assume they're a few million short max, they could have covered that with a couple minor moves like not signing Anderson (which wouldn't have been necessary had they signed Montgomery) and letting Joely walk in favor of guys like Bernardino and Booser.
It seems to me they didn't want to offer 2/50+ and/or Montgomery didn't want to sign in Boston for that amount of money. They really could have made it work.
Not counting the Bello extension as starting until '25 would have given them $8 million more luxury tax space
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Post by scottysmalls on Mar 26, 2024 21:26:24 GMT -5
1) That is a deal I wish the Red Sox would have done. 2) Its a pretty brutal outcome for Montgomery and he should be irate with Boras.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 26, 2024 21:41:54 GMT -5
Looking at social media, I'm really going to need Jordan Montgomery to have like a 4.75 ERA this year to make this season a little more tolerable for me
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 26, 2024 21:47:38 GMT -5
In other news:
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 26, 2024 22:27:40 GMT -5
Look on the bright side, everyone - we can spend countless futile and delirious hours discussing Jordan Montgomery again when he opts out in November on the future 2025 Red Sox Off-season Thread True! I hear his wife works in the….ahhh forget it.
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Post by asm18 on Mar 26, 2024 22:29:38 GMT -5
The most unrealistic part of this cartoon for children involving a dog construction team is that Aaron Judge would be healthy enough to participate in this hypothetical Home Run Derby - but I assume that it might be too difficult to animate him straining an oblique
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 26, 2024 22:36:05 GMT -5
Revisionist history, but I would have much rather signed Montgomery for 2/50 versus Giolito for 2/38. I would have wanted that pre injury too, basing it off the past 2 years of the back of the baseball card. Maybe Montgomery would have needed more like 27.5 in 2024 to come to Boston, because of where they stood this off-season and the questionable contention this year. I think that's where the Sox made their mistake. Giolito versus Montgomery. When the Sox signed Giolito, Boras was still talking about 7/175 for Montgomery. He was just so far out of whack with what the market would bear for his top guys this year. It does seem inconceivable that Erod would get more guaranteed money this offseason that Montgomery did. Maybe the Sox would have given him 3 guaranteed years back in December/January. Who knows. Playing the long game definitely didn’t work this time around and that’s all on Boras.
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