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Post by sxfan on Apr 8, 2024 17:13:54 GMT -5
Isn't it too late to include 2024 in the deal? Maybe I'm wrong on that. I'm not 100% confident in that report, sometimes guys get a little sloppy with the language on these deals. You can rewrite the contract to include whatever years you want now on a contract extension.
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Post by rhswanzey on Apr 8, 2024 17:14:11 GMT -5
Whoa!!!! Hell yes
Good thing we didn’t keep him down for three weeks to get that extra year of control.
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Post by sxfan on Apr 8, 2024 17:15:41 GMT -5
Great deal. Rafaela will be worth all of this, beyond his age 31 years, his athleticsim will probably start declining like JBJ. So I wouldn't want him more than a bench piece beyond that.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Apr 8, 2024 17:18:31 GMT -5
Fair contract and really good move.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 8, 2024 17:21:17 GMT -5
Whoa!!!! Hell yes Good thing we didn’t keep him down for three weeks to get that extra year of control. Gonna guess having this in the works factored into that decision
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Apr 8, 2024 17:39:05 GMT -5
I had figured he was one of the young players being referenced before the season, makes all the sense in the world to lock up a guy that you are certain will provide value on one side of the ball. A player with a high ceiling on defense and a low floor on offense but one whom they've seen enough to know that floor is not as bad as once feared. I still think the jury is out on his offensive upside. A full year here will help more clearly define his projected parameters.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Apr 8, 2024 17:52:33 GMT -5
Love it. I did not think they would do this unless they really believed that his bat will come around, so it makes me pretty confident in him going forward. Love seeing these guys get locked up.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Apr 8, 2024 17:54:34 GMT -5
All 8 year’s guaranteed with no club options? That deal isn’t making Breslow very many friends in other front offices.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 8, 2024 18:03:30 GMT -5
Can't say I love this extension but it's not a horrible contract. Hopefully it works out well for the Sox.
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Post by pappyman99 on Apr 8, 2024 18:12:45 GMT -5
So we basically have a starting CF and number 3 starter as of now for about less than $16 million combined against the luxury tax for the next 6 years
Good start when it comes to roster construction.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 8, 2024 18:20:32 GMT -5
So we basically have a starting CF and number 3 starter as of now for about less than $16 million combined against the luxury tax for the next 6 years Good start when it comes to roster construction. Well yes but we already had those guys, this most likely won't actually save money for LT purposes until 2028.
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Post by pappyman99 on Apr 8, 2024 18:25:31 GMT -5
So we basically have a starting CF and number 3 starter as of now for about less than $16 million combined against the luxury tax for the next 6 years Good start when it comes to roster construction. Well yes but we already had those guys, this most likely won't actually save the money for LT purposes until 2028. But it’s a fixed cost and known so it helps for planning there are a lot of benefits of this today even if it’s not dollars today
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Post by itinerantherb on Apr 8, 2024 18:30:16 GMT -5
Even if it's not an obvious bargain, I like it. There's a lot to be said for both cost certainty and spreading out the AAV. Craig has his eyes trained on the five-year time horizon.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 8, 2024 18:35:09 GMT -5
If 8/50 includes this year, I don’t love it. They almost can’t send him down to AAA. I’ll reserve judgement til we see the actual deets though. Scotty Smalls has it right (as do others). They can send him down and should send him down if they think it's in the best interests of his long-term development. Heck, they paid Rusney Castillo $70M to play AAA for about six years. None of the Rusney money counted against the LTT, but the LT isn't a concern for the Red Sox this year because they're well below the line. Paying Little Raffy to get a couple hundred PAs in Worcester and come back as a better player would be the right decision if they think that's what it'll take.
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Post by nomar on Apr 8, 2024 18:46:01 GMT -5
Hopefully this means that they’re confident that Rafaela will hit. But if the $/WAR average is 10M+ by 2030 when Rafaela would have hit free agency, it might look ok even if Rafaela is a utility player. Hopefully he’s more than that obviously, but I don’t see this as any major risk to take and if he booms, those two years will mean a whole lot.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 8, 2024 19:43:51 GMT -5
I had figured he was one of the young players being referenced before the season, makes all the sense in the world to lock up a guy that you are certain will provide value on one side of the ball. A player with a high ceiling on defense and a low floor on offense but one whom they've seen enough to know that floor is not as bad as once feared. I still think the jury is out on his offensive upside. A full year here will help more clearly define his projected parameters. Yup. But I think the concerns on offense are overblown..He has, IMO, a lightening bat and seeming good bat to ball. He's done it in the minors with regular play. And, did you see him run on the triple to right? A certified gazelle..such a beautiful, gliding stride. Poetry.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Apr 8, 2024 20:00:11 GMT -5
C-Dan locked up until I'm 85, love it!! 8 years of Sports Center highlights, electric baserunning and better hitting than many want to credit him as they see the flaws and let them obscure the magic. It also somewhat deflates the "Henry is cheap" balloon since they could have saved money for most of the first 6 years but decided to forego that and provide certainty to a player who signed for a mere $10k. Smart and humane with some intangible benefits for C-Dan in the form of peace of mind and reputation restoration for the Sox.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 8, 2024 20:01:35 GMT -5
Backups and utility men get 6.25 million per year so its kind of a no brainer for the Sox. Takes him right to the point his defensive skills might start to slip.
If he doesnt work out it's not a millstone contract. If he works out it's a heckuva bargain.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2024 21:13:06 GMT -5
I doubt if it's any big secret that this makes me happy, good for the Sox, good for Rafaela.
Let's out Brave the Braves. My preferred list of more extensions:
1. Houck (Ace potential slider). 2. Crawford. (Always been solid, more very good games than bad, adjusts well). 3. Wong. (Underrated and it take two catchers). 4. Abreu. (Solid two way player with a Dewey like arm and great pitch selection. Enough range to play anywhere in the outfield). 5. Winckowski. (Seems like a good candidate for a Whitlock style extension). 6. Maybe Grissom, time will tell but we should know this year.
I left off Casas because we have several 1B/DH candidates either here or down under. I also doubt if he'll sign, tough to sign a player who is already financially secure no matter how much he says he wants to play his entire career in Boston.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 8, 2024 21:26:55 GMT -5
I doubt if it's any big secret that this makes me happy, good for the Sox, goof for Rafaela. Let's out Brave the Braves. My preferred list of more extensions: 1. Houck (Ace potential slider). 2. Crawford. (Always been solid, more very good games than bad, adjusts well). 3. Wong. (Underrated and it take two catchers). 4. Abreu. (Solid two way player with a Dewey like arm and great pitch selection. Enough range to play anywhere in the outfield). 5. Winckowski. (Seems like a good candidate for a Whitlock style extension). 6. Maybe Grissom, time will tell but we should know this year. I left off Casas because we have several 1B/DH candidates either here or down under. I also doubt if he'll sign, tough to sign a player who is already financially secure no matter how much he says he wants to play his entire career in Boston. Who are the other obvious 1B/DH candidates? Devers obviously, but I’m not withholding a Casas extension on behalf of guys like Nathan Hickey or Blaze Jordan.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2024 21:38:41 GMT -5
I doubt if it's any big secret that this makes me happy, good for the Sox, goof for Rafaela. Let's out Brave the Braves. My preferred list of more extensions: 1. Houck (Ace potential slider). 2. Crawford. (Always been solid, more very good games than bad, adjusts well). 3. Wong. (Underrated and it take two catchers). 4. Abreu. (Solid two way player with a Dewey like arm and great pitch selection. Enough range to play anywhere in the outfield). 5. Winckowski. (Seems like a good candidate for a Whitlock style extension). 6. Maybe Grissom, time will tell but we should know this year. I left off Casas because we have several 1B/DH candidates either here or down under. I also doubt if he'll sign, tough to sign a player who is already financially secure no matter how much he says he wants to play his entire career in Boston. Who are the other obvious 1B/DH candidates? Devers obviously, but I’m not withholding a Casas extension on behalf of guys like Nathan Hickey or Blaze Jordan. Devers obviously plus Yoshida at DH plus Jordan plus pretty much anybody that outgrows their position. Left handed first basemen pretty much litter all of baseball.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2024 21:41:19 GMT -5
Off the top of my head, I can't think of any signed pre-arbitration first basemen through out baseball. I'm sure there's some though.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 8, 2024 22:13:27 GMT -5
Who are the other obvious 1B/DH candidates? Devers obviously, but I’m not withholding a Casas extension on behalf of guys like Nathan Hickey or Blaze Jordan. Devers obviously plus Yoshida at DH plus Jordan plus pretty much anybody that outgrows their position. Left handed first basemen pretty much litter all of baseball. Yoshida isn’t likely to be on the team when this really becomes an issue, and again Jordan isn’t really good enough to be factoring into these discussions. The fact that you stopped the list at 3 and then had to resort to “well others will outgrow their positions and you can find first basemen anywhere” doesn’t really give credit to the notion that any player that grows off a position will have to clear the offensive bar for first base or DH, and any external option is going to cost just as much for similar if not lesser production. To me, the best arguments against a Casas extension are Devers’ inevitable move to first and the glut of position player prospects the team has coming up potentially necessitating a rotation DH spot. That being said, Casas was probably a top 20 offensive player in baseball the second half of last year, if you can get a reasonable deal done I think you jump on it and figure out the position logistics later.
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Post by asm18 on Apr 8, 2024 22:21:35 GMT -5
People were wondering what the team was doing with its budget. I think we're starting to see where this is all going. Per the invaluable RedSoxPayroll on Twitter, “Subject to updated reporting or additional options or anything, that [6.25 Rafaela AAV] CBT hit for 2024 moves the payroll estimate to ~$222MM, or $15MM below the first CBT threshold.” Are they a Casas extension (let’s say hypothetically at the All-Star break) away from being close up against the tax?
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 8, 2024 22:50:53 GMT -5
People were wondering what the team was doing with its budget. I think we're starting to see where this is all going. Per the invaluable RedSoxPayroll on Twitter, “Subject to updated reporting or additional options or anything, that [6.25 Rafaela AAV] CBT hit for 2024 moves the payroll estimate to ~$222MM, or $15MM below the first CBT threshold.” Are they a Casas extension (let’s say hypothetically at the All-Star break) away from being close up against the tax? Maybe they could give Houck a 3/12 deal for 24-26 (first two arb years) or something like that, just to use up some CBT space this year
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