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How would you grade the 2024 draft?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 28, 2024 15:15:26 GMT -5
Understand that we have no idea how any of these kids will perform. With that said, how does everyone rate what was arguably the most important draft for the Patriots in decades?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2024 16:45:21 GMT -5
Has to be an A for me, you got Drake Maye. Then went out and got talent for him. I like both WR and the TE. We'll see on the OT and OG, those can be very hard to evaluate sometimes. I do love man cover corners with good athletic traits and lots of PD. The only truly head scratching pick was Milton in the 6th and it's a 6th round pick.
I do wonder if they passed on better prospects at positions that weren't big needs. It's just hard to knock them much for that given you need to do everything you can to help Maye. If you believe Wolf, they got the 3 guys they targeted with their first 3 picks. Now it's time to see how good they are at drafting.
One thing I will nitpick is undrafted guys. I would have loved to see them throw around money signing a bunch of the top guys left at positions of need. A few million dollars goes a long way with undrafted free agents. Darn Chiefs got two RBs I really liked. The Murphy Brothers as edge players, a few DT. We'll see but it looks like a rather weak class right now.
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Post by cdj on Apr 28, 2024 18:19:46 GMT -5
A-/B+
Maye makes it a B at the lowest and then I really like the Baker/Polk/Bell picks (and obviously the Bazooka but that’s more me ironically liking him)
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 29, 2024 20:26:33 GMT -5
I go B they went Maye and pretty much started to rebuild the foundation of the offense but some picks do knock it down a bit.
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Post by trajanacc on Apr 30, 2024 6:19:51 GMT -5
how you can possibly grade a draft when the players haven’t played?
What you’re asking is, how well do NE’s draft choices match my armchair amateur opinion (formed by reading mock drafts penned by other amateurs) of what they should have done?
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 30, 2024 7:21:10 GMT -5
how you can possibly grade a draft when the players haven’t played?What you’re asking is, how well do NE’s draft choices match my armchair amateur opinion (formed by reading mock drafts penned by other amateurs) of what they should have done? While I understand what you're saying and do agree on some level, it isn't likely we will come back to this thread 5 years from now and re-visit the 2024 when we have the full picture. You are correct we don't know how these players will perform but it is still a fun thought exercise to take a dive into the draftees and give them a grade/predict how the Pats did. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 30, 2024 11:51:18 GMT -5
how you can possibly grade a draft when the players haven’t played? What you’re asking is, how well do NE’s draft choices match my armchair amateur opinion (formed by reading mock drafts penned by other amateurs) of what they should have done? I think you need some more sources, I get my information from many sources. All of them are professionals that are paid to study tape and write scouting reports. Yeah there's a crazy amount of bad sources out there now a days compared to 30 years ago. Guys like Dane Brugler aren't amateurs and he clearly watches a ton of tape. It's part of the draft to make things fun, get fans more involved and it's working. You always grade after draft and then four years later. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 30, 2024 12:22:25 GMT -5
how you can possibly grade a draft when the players haven’t played? What you’re asking is, how well do NE’s draft choices match my armchair amateur opinion (formed by reading mock drafts penned by other amateurs) of what they should have done? I think it's just a fun exercise. We had months of contemplating and after all the speculation and wishing and hoping the team would do certain things it's interesting to see a reflection of what you thought/hoped for and what they actually did. In 4 years if none of these kids can play then it'll be a fun revisit seeing no one went below a B. Plus, draft analysts have given their grades on both the players selected and overall. I don't know more the Wolf, but my belief is he did a pretty good job. I don't LOVE Polk being a slightly faster Meyers in the 2nd round, but maybe I should love that. This was arguably their most important draft in decades. For that reason alone I like having a bookmark on post-draft feelings. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 30, 2024 13:06:27 GMT -5
how you can possibly grade a draft when the players haven’t played? What you’re asking is, how well do NE’s draft choices match my armchair amateur opinion (formed by reading mock drafts penned by other amateurs) of what they should have done? Are you new to sports banter? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 30, 2024 13:12:41 GMT -5
how you can possibly grade a draft when the players haven’t played? What you’re asking is, how well do NE’s draft choices match my armchair amateur opinion (formed by reading mock drafts penned by other amateurs) of what they should have done? I think it's just a fun exercise. We had months of contemplating and after all the speculation and wishing and hoping the team would do certain things it's interesting to see a reflection of what you thought/hoped for and what they actually did. In 4 years if none of these kids can play then it'll be a fun revisit seeing no one went below a B. Plus, draft analysts have given their grades on both the players selected and overall. I don't know more the Wolf, but my belief is he did a pretty good job. I don't LOVE Polk being a slightly faster Meyers in the 2nd round, but maybe I should love that. This was arguably their most important draft in decades. For that reason alone I like having a bookmark on post-draft feelings. If Polk turned out to be a faster Meyers that’s a home run in my book. He’s had over 800 yards each of the last 3 years with terrible quarterbacks. You give him more speed and those numbers are better. That’s pushing top 30 receiver numbers. I’d sign up for that. |
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Post by jmei on Apr 30, 2024 13:21:37 GMT -5
Don't know how comparing a guy to Meyers became an insult. He's a clear #2 wide receiver and has been paid as such on the open market. That's a slam dunk good outcome for a second-round pick.
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Post by bishop on Apr 30, 2024 13:25:48 GMT -5
B+? Didn't get cute at the top and picked the no brainer guy even if he doesn't pan out. Both day 2 picks were slightly higher than consensus going in but not egregiously and came after runs at those positions of need, hope the evals on Polk and Wallace are right. Polk obviously we have a ton of familiarity with, and even if I wanted Keon Coleman or Ricky Pearsall more than him coming in well shoot those guys were picked above us and I don't think we should have been pushing to move up. Made total sense wanting Polk over Ladd given his archetype, and while Adonai Mitchell had a lot of fans it doesn't seem like he had a ton in front offices around the NFL. Day 3 I hope we hit on some guys, but it's Day 3 not gonna pretend I know anything there. Did think drafting a guard in the 4th was a little odd after how much Sow and Mafi played last season, but if they had him as BPA and/or Strange might not be back to start the season it makes more sense. Not the most head scratching pick of recent years  |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 30, 2024 13:38:00 GMT -5
Don't know how comparing a guy to Meyers became an insult. He's a clear #2 wide receiver and has been paid as such on the open market. That's a slam dunk good outcome for a second-round pick. I loves Meyers and was mad they let him go, even after signing JuJu. I think Meyers is a nice player who works well in the slot, but I guess I'm used to the Patriots finding those guys everywhere and Meyers being a UDFA doesn't help the perception. My thoughts on an early 2nd rounder is an outside receiver with potential while a solid slot receiver type is late 2nd/3rd round. That's just me undervaluing the position, not an insult on either Polk or Meyers. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 30, 2024 13:51:54 GMT -5
I don't know where this Polk is a slightly faster Meyers came from, that was McMillan the other Washington WR. Heard that from multiple places, but it was McMillan not Polk.
Polk is much more explosive down field and has Yac ability, something Meyers didn't have in College or the NFL. Meyers is just a rather good possession receiver. I can't come up with a comp for Polk, but it's not Meyers.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 30, 2024 14:04:50 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 30, 2024 14:16:59 GMT -5
B+? Didn't get cute at the top and picked the no brainer guy even if he doesn't pan out. Both day 2 picks were slightly higher than consensus going in but not egregiously and came after runs at those positions of need, hope the evals on Polk and Wallace are right. Polk obviously we have a ton of familiarity with, and even if I wanted Keon Coleman or Ricky Pearsall more than him coming in well shoot those guys were picked above us and I don't think we should have been pushing to move up. Made total sense wanting Polk over Ladd given his archetype, and while Adonai Mitchell had a lot of fans it doesn't seem like he had a ton in front offices around the NFL. Day 3 I hope we hit on some guys, but it's Day 3 not gonna pretend I know anything there. Did think drafting a guard in the 4th was a little odd after how much Sow and Mafi played last season, but if they had him as BPA and/or Strange might not be back to start the season it makes more sense. Not the most head scratching pick of recent years I think they're looking at a possible Strange replacement. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Apr 30, 2024 16:10:03 GMT -5
I gave a B , I love the two wrs. I think getting Milton was ballsy. The Packers do this type of draft they always would have extra QB'S. I think its time to make Wolf full time too.
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Post by mobaz on Apr 30, 2024 17:00:58 GMT -5
I'm finally ready to grade the 2019 draft. F--. Damien Harris is the only guy who made a notable impact on the team, no one was worth even considering for a 2nd contract. Harry, JoeJuan, Wink, a number of OL who never saw the field, a punter who was great and then sucked within 2 years.
See you back on this thread in 5 years.
(I sass because I love; grading drafts is dumb but fun. I like Polk more than many, made plays that made me say "whoa" against multiple good teams. That and Maye and Baker whom I also like is plenty for me to give this one an A)
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Post by rasimon on Apr 30, 2024 19:35:53 GMT -5
B+
looked at each pick from the perspective of:
(1) was it a position of need
(2) good overall value from the pick? Was the Mock Draft Database rank of the player around the draft slot where we took him?
(3) was he the best player on the board at his position? Measured by both Mock Draft Database and separately by my subjective opinion.
(4) give a grade to each pick
(5) average the grades weighted by the draft slot's Jimmy Johnson trade value ie getting the first pick right is most important.
Draft Slot 3 (Jimmy Johnson Value 2200) Drake Maye
Position of need: QB yes
Overall good value: Yes. MDB had him at 2
Best at position (MDB): Yes.
Best at position (subjective): Yes. I liked him a lot more than Jaden Daniels who was taken ahead of him.
Grade: A
37 (530) Ja'Lynn Polk
Position of need: WR yes
Overall good value: No. MDB had him at 60. There was a lot of talent between those two slots.
Best at position (MDB): Probably not but close. There were a few WRs on the board who MDB had ahead of Polk. AD Mitchell, Troy Franklin, Roman Wilson. Franklin fell a long way so maybe there was an issue there. AD Mitchell was ranked well ahead of Polk.
Best at position (subjective): No. I liked Polk less than MDB did.
Grade: C
68 (250) Caelan Wallace
Position of need: OT? Yes
Overall good value: No. MDB had him ranked 178 and we took him at 68. One of the larger overdrafts. I get why they did it. Pats needed OT help, but once they took Maye at 3, it was very doubtful that they were going to get an impact OT - even at 34. Likely what would be left over was developmental guys, low ceiling guys, and guys who might have to move to the interior. This looks like they forced it. Do the Pats really think he was the 68th best player in the draft? or even close to it? I would be interested to hear that argument.
Best at position (MDB): No. If you were willing to go developmental, Amegadjie. If you are willing to go low ceiling, Javon Foster or Christian Jones. If you can accept guys who might need to move, Beebe or Puni. All ranked well ahead of him.
Best at position (subjective): No. Many analysts are skeptical that he can even stay at OT.
Grade: D
103 (88) Layden Robinson
Position of need: IOL yes. I was all in favor of upgrading OG and/or getting a successor to David Andrews.
Overall good value: No. MDB had him ranked 156. That's still a pretty significant overdraft.
Best at position (MDB): No. McCormick, Mahogany, Van Pran, Limmer all ranked well ahead of him were still on the board.
Best at position (subjective): No.
Grade: D
110 (74) Javon Baker
Position of need: WR yes
Overall good value: Yes. MDB had him at 89.
Best at position (MDB): He, Devontez Walker, and Malik Washington were ranked close. Walker went just after him. Washington fell, but he is probably slot only. Arguably yes.
Best at position (subjective): if you need an outside receiver, yes. Baker or Walker.
Grade: A
180 (19) Marcellas Dial
Position of need: DB. yes. We could use an additional starter at either FS or CB (moving JJones to FS)
Overall good value: No. MDB had him at 264. We took him at 180. But as you go lower in the draft, there is less significance to difference in rank.
Best at position (MDB): No. D.J. James was ranked well above him. Kalen King, Devonshire, Hadden, Harden were all still on the board too.
Best at position (subjective): I was actually pleasantly surprised especially if they want to move him to FS. I had not looked at him before the draft. Was he the best remaining? Probably not. But he wasn't a bad choice depending on what exactly you want.
Grade: B
193 (14) Joe Milton
Position of need: backup QB? No.
Overall good value: Yes. We got him at fair value. MDB had him at 182.
Best at position (MDB): No. Pratt was still on the board.
Best at position (subjective): It depends on what you are looking for. He has a lower floor than Pratt and Leary, but a higher ceiling. But the chance of him improving to the point where he is useful is low.
Grade: C maybe I should have given him a D but he will be fun to watch
231 (1) Jaheim Bell
Position of need: TE/HB/FB/ST? Not sure where he will play. Since Jonnu left, we don't have a TE/HB/FB. Moderate need.
Overall good value: Yes. MDB had him at 153. There were a few guys still on the board ranked higher, but not many.
Best at position (MDB): as a TE yes
Best at position (subjective): depends what position they plan to use him at. But yes probably.
Grade: A
So weighted average of those grades is B+ driven very heavily by Drake Maye.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 30, 2024 19:43:44 GMT -5
I'm finally ready to grade the 2019 draft. F--. Damien Harris is the only guy who made a notable impact on the team, no one was worth even considering for a 2nd contract. Harry, JoeJuan, Wink, a number of OL who never saw the field, a punter who was great and then sucked within 2 years. See you back on this thread in 5 years. (I sass because I love; grading drafts is dumb but fun. I like Polk more than many, made plays that made me say "whoa" against multiple good teams. That and Maye and Baker whom I also like is plenty for me to give this one an A) Pick for Stidham helped us trade up for our stud kicker and Harry pick got us TE Bell this year in 7th round. So there's a chance for D-/D+ lol. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 30, 2024 19:58:18 GMT -5
He can look like Juju on certain plays, but there's also a bunch of down field throws and contested catches. He's very unique, like his downfield route versus Texas, not something you see everyday. Depending on what tape you watch, he can look like multiple players. Why I'm not even going to try giving him a comp right now. He just makes plays all over the field in many different ways. |
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