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Who is sent to AAA when Grissom and Cooper are actived
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Apr 29, 2024 13:09:40 GMT -5
It is, but there's no guarantee that he's not as bad as Dalbec or anyone else. Just saying to give it a week or so to see what they have in Cooper before the very likely Dalbec demotion. I will 100% guarantee, and bet any amount of money, they he won't be as bad as Dalbec. Cooper is a good pick up without question. He was pushed out by younger players in Chicago. Happens. I am excited that we have him. That said, I still advocate for keeping Dalbec as a corner infield back up until a better option for that role is found and yes that role is important even if the player collects cob webs most days.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 29, 2024 13:34:09 GMT -5
Defensive stats do not stabilize nearly that quickly (and it's -2 OAA, in the spirit of correctness). For a guy that young with that little MLB experience, the odds of him improving are good, especially if he's playing more 2B than SS.
Edit: Reyes has -2 DRS and -2 OAA at SS in like a sixth as many innings. It's also strange to me to knock a guy for being below average at the hardest position on the diamond while not holding it against guys like Valdez that they aren't even a shaky option at there.
Dalbec is playing well defensively right now. Hamilton isn't. I don't know how much playing time you think Hamilton is going to get at this point, but I can assure you, it won't be enough for him to 'improve'. And if you're right that he's going to get better - he probably has a much better chance at that in AAA than getting 6 PAs a week and playing 5-10 innings in the field (since April 19th - he's got 6 PAs and 5 innings in the field). He will not get used to the MLB speed at AAA, and he's probably already good enough to be an average 2B. You seem to be holding a grudge over a few misplays in a small sample while forgetting Dalbec's long history of poor defense due to stable D over a similar sample, and somehow also ignoring the offensive gap... Oh well, though, it's moot. Both will stay on the team unless there are more transactions, and hopefully both, but Dalbec in particular, will not play much.
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Post by brendan98 on Apr 29, 2024 13:44:12 GMT -5
Dalbec is playing well defensively right now. Hamilton isn't. I don't know how much playing time you think Hamilton is going to get at this point, but I can assure you, it won't be enough for him to 'improve'. And if you're right that he's going to get better - he probably has a much better chance at that in AAA than getting 6 PAs a week and playing 5-10 innings in the field (since April 19th - he's got 6 PAs and 5 innings in the field). He will not get used to the MLB speed at AAA, and he's probably already good enough to be an average 2B. You seem to be holding a grudge over a few misplays in a small sample while forgetting Dalbec's long history of poor defense due to stable D over a similar sample, and somehow also ignoring the offensive gap... Oh well, though, it's moot. Both will stay on the team unless there are more transactions, and hopefully both, but Dalbec in particular, will not play much. We each have our own opinion, and I would much rather see Dalbec in the lineup vs Hamilton. That said hopefully, Grissom settles into a full time role rather quickly, Yoshida avoids a DL stint, Cooper plays to the level of the numbers on the back of his baseball card, Rafaela's offense continues to improve, and we don't have to pencil into the lineup 3-5 hitters under the Mendoza line on a daily basis.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 29, 2024 13:46:00 GMT -5
Before the Reyes DFA, I texted a buddy that I wouldn’t mind seeing a move for a glove-first SS (Miggy Rojas?) to pair with Grissom, as was the plan with Story and Grissom. I wonder if the Reyes move is a harbinger…
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Post by jmei on Apr 29, 2024 13:51:41 GMT -5
Feels like there's always too much consternation about the 25th (now 26th, I guess) guy on the roster. Reyes is maybe a slightly better player than, say, Dalbec today, but he's got a pretty low ceiling and they have a glut of middle infielders who can't really play SS defensively (both in Boston and AAA), so he was getting DFAed eventually. Feels like a reasonable decision to use ceiling (where I think Reyes ranks the lowest of this quartet) as a tiebreaker for which bit of flotsam gets jettisoned first.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 29, 2024 14:24:27 GMT -5
For those throwing out Sogard, they'd almost certainly call Eddy Alvarez up first, fwiw.
Plus keep in mind that Romy Gonzalez is coming back at some point, which the Reyes DFA seems to indicate might not be too far away, and I don't see the need to add anyone to the 40-man to be a bench guy for a week or two.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Apr 29, 2024 14:53:35 GMT -5
Pablo Reyes has been DFA'ed to make room for Garrett Cooper I really thought they would keep Reyes and Dalbec just because Dalbec seems to be the best backup defender they have for 1b and 3b and Reyes seems to be the best backup defender they have for 2b and ss. Has Reyes been that bad at ss defensively this year? I know he has made several errors at 3b. It is hard for me to believe Reyes has been a worse defender at ss than Hamilton. So mildly surprised that Reyes is gone, but as someone noted above, all 4 have been so bad I can't be really disappointed that any or all are gone.
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Post by rizdog on Apr 29, 2024 15:13:27 GMT -5
I'm pretty surprised it was Reyes to go. I thought for sure they'd prioritize the depth of keeping him in the organization with Hamilton in AAA. I don't necessarily agree or disagree, just thought they'd prefer to keep the depth, a la keeping Joely over Bernardino to start the season. But I think Chris makes a great point about Romy! I had almost forgotten about him, he seems to potentially be a better fit than any of the guys we've discussed.
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 29, 2024 15:19:13 GMT -5
Honestly with the way this season has been going, we're pretty fortunate to have the record we have, but we should also put a moratorium on any players getting their pilots licenses.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 29, 2024 16:26:00 GMT -5
I wonder how our pitching staff will hold up without our ERA leader.
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Post by pawtucketwalt on Apr 29, 2024 19:06:45 GMT -5
I will 100% guarantee, and bet any amount of money, they he won't be as bad as Dalbec. Cooper is a good pick up without question. He was pushed out by younger players in Chicago. Happens. I am excited that we have him. That said, I still advocate for keeping Dalbec as a corner infield back up until a better option for that role is found and yes that role is important even if the player collects cob webs most days. Hasn't this guys name come up a few times in the past? When he was with Miami.
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Post by soxinsf on Apr 29, 2024 19:23:08 GMT -5
Feels like there's always too much consternation about the 25th (now 26th, I guess) guy on the roster. Reyes is maybe a slightly better player than, say, Dalbec today, but he's got a pretty low ceiling and they have a glut of middle infielders who can't really play SS defensively (both in Boston and AAA), so he was getting DFAed eventually. Feels like a reasonable decision to use ceiling (where I think Reyes ranks the lowest of this quartet) as a tiebreaker for which bit of flotsam gets jettisoned first. Sometimes our discussions lack thought and wind up in rancor. Not this time. Sure, there is disagreement but it has been fun to read. Bottom line for me: The Sox have plenty of options for middle IF backups so it makes sense to DFA Pedro in favor of someone with options. As disappointing as it is, Bobby is not going to be the right answer in the long run ( and I say that as one who really roots for the guy). But one has to wonder if the May 1 options produce a player or two who would be preferable to Bobby and the whole cast of middle IF backups currently in the system.
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Post by terriblehondo on Apr 29, 2024 19:29:59 GMT -5
Feels like there's always too much consternation about the 25th (now 26th, I guess) guy on the roster. Reyes is maybe a slightly better player than, say, Dalbec today, but he's got a pretty low ceiling and they have a glut of middle infielders who can't really play SS defensively (both in Boston and AAA), so he was getting DFAed eventually. Feels like a reasonable decision to use ceiling (where I think Reyes ranks the lowest of this quartet) as a tiebreaker for which bit of flotsam gets jettisoned first. Sometimes our discussions lack thought and wind up in rancor. Not this time. Sure, there is disagreement but it has been fun to read. Bottom line for me: The Sox have plenty of options for middle IF backups so it makes sense to DFA Pedro in favor of someone with options. As disappointing as it is, Bobby is not going to be the right answer in the long run ( and I say that as one who really roots for the guy). But one has to wonder if the May 1 options produce a player or two who would be preferable to Bobby and the whole cast of middle IF backups currently in the system. I sure hope they can pick up a viable backup SS.
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Post by blizzards39 on Apr 29, 2024 23:07:42 GMT -5
Sometimes our discussions lack thought and wind up in rancor. Not this time. Sure, there is disagreement but it has been fun to read. Bottom line for me: The Sox have plenty of options for middle IF backups so it makes sense to DFA Pedro in favor of someone with options. As disappointing as it is, Bobby is not going to be the right answer in the long run ( and I say that as one who really roots for the guy). But one has to wonder if the May 1 options produce a player or two who would be preferable to Bobby and the whole cast of middle IF backups currently in the system. I sure hope they can pick up a viable backup SS. Id say maybe the first 7-10 days Grissom will be 2 in 1 out. After that i realy don’t see him or Rafaela getting much bench time. More likely need a 3b to put raffy at DH. If fact we could see alot of Raffy at DH vs LH if any 3B would step up. My point is we need a backup MIF only for emergency use. Could be Dalbec. But the way hes hitting probably not. Hamilton does give the team a top choice for pinch runner
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 30, 2024 0:50:12 GMT -5
Mishmash of thoughts...
Uwasawa is addition by subtraction. He's not Joely taking away lefty time from Bernardino and Booser. It wouldn't take a lot. On the other hand, Joely will likely return a prospect or at minimum, cash, more than offsetting Cooper cash. Beleive it or not there are teams with worse (or no) lefties than him, Seattle for example (I haven't looked at Seattle since we played them). Lefties have more lives than Dalbec.
I doubt if we will get anything for Reyes but I think he's likely to get claimed. Cash if we're lucky.
As far as who goes for Grissom, I think it will be Valdez although Dalbec or Hamilton both also make sense. Whoever stays is likely to see a lot of bench time. If Masa will be out for a week or so, Valdez will likely stay.
I was hoping for Votto but also very happy with Cooper.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 30, 2024 7:52:31 GMT -5
I was hoping for Votto but also very happy with Cooper. Votto's on the shelf with an ankle injury and hasn't started playing yet.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 30, 2024 7:57:33 GMT -5
I was hoping for Votto but also very happy with Cooper. Votto's on the shelf with an ankle injury and hasn't started playing yet. So you're saying he'd fit right in as a 2024 Red Sox since he would come already injured?
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 30, 2024 12:05:22 GMT -5
Mishmash of thoughts... Uwasawa is addition by subtraction. He's not Joely taking away lefty time from Bernardino and Booser. It wouldn't take a lot. On the other hand, Joely will likely return a prospect or at minimum, cash, more than offsetting Cooper cash. Beleive it or not there are teams with worse (or no) lefties than him, Seattle for example (I haven't looked at Seattle since we played them). Lefties have more lives than Dalbec. I doubt if we will get anything for Reyes but I think he's likely to get claimed. Cash if we're lucky. As far as who goes for Grissom, I think it will be Valdez although Dalbec or Hamilton both also make sense. Whoever stays is likely to see a lot of bench time. If Masa will be out for a week or so, Valdez will likely stay. I was hoping for Votto but also very happy with Cooper. The only move that makes sense now is the obvious one, sending Valdez back down. He's made himself a solid or good 2B in terms of range, but isn't adept at any other infield position, so he's not a viable bench component. Hamilton is now the backup 2B and SS and Dalbec the backup 1B and 3B. If they need to go 3 deep or juggle guys around, Dalbec has played RF and SS, Grissom SS, 3B, and LF, and Hamiltion CF, all within the last 2 years. The only thin position is 1B, where Refsnyder is the third option.
If Masa is out a few games, you still have four outfielders, and we can continue the Ref plays against RF thing.
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Post by soxinsf on Apr 30, 2024 12:46:51 GMT -5
Looking beyond today, and all things being equal including Masa not on the IL, the Sox have two solid backups in Ref and Reese. Take Dalbec, Hamilton, Romy, Valdez out of that equation, and they need IF help. Every position needs a valuable backup and preferably one hits RH and one hits LH.
That eliminates Belt( my fave for LH 1B), even if the money were right, unless a RH Swiss-Army knife is found for the other three IF positions.
Basically, I am hoping for a two- person find to replace Bobby and the MIF logjam of never-wozzers.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 30, 2024 16:00:57 GMT -5
Looking beyond today, and all things being equal including Masa not on the IL, the Sox have two solid backups in Ref and Reese. Take Dalbec, Hamilton, Romy, Valdez out of that equation, and they need IF help. Every position needs a valuable backup and preferably one hits RH and one hits LH. That eliminates Belt( my fave for LH 1B), even if the money were right, unless a RH Swiss-Army knife is found for the other three IF positions. Basically, I am hoping for a two- person find to replace Bobby and the MIF logjam of never-wozzers. Just to make sure, your point is that if you ignore four infielders, the team needs infielders?
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Post by soxinsf on Apr 30, 2024 16:38:11 GMT -5
Looking beyond today, and all things being equal including Masa not on the IL, the Sox have two solid backups in Ref and Reese. Take Dalbec, Hamilton, Romy, Valdez out of that equation, and they need IF help. Every position needs a valuable backup and preferably one hits RH and one hits LH. That eliminates Belt( my fave for LH 1B), even if the money were right, unless a RH Swiss-Army knife is found for the other three IF positions. Basically, I am hoping for a two- person find to replace Bobby and the MIF logjam of never-wozzers. Just to make sure, your point is that if you ignore four infielders, the team needs infielders? Sorry to be less than clear. The Red Sox do not have IF backup options that have the same quality of their OF and C backups, in my opinion.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 30, 2024 19:36:23 GMT -5
And this is why you dont cut bait with Dalbec..
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Post by mobaz on Apr 30, 2024 19:46:41 GMT -5
First Base Is the New Short Stop. Also someone needs to start performing exorcisms on the infield. Seems a little late in its life for hauntings to be manifesting at Fenway, but who knows.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 30, 2024 20:24:11 GMT -5
And this is why you dont cut bait with Dalbec.. Meh. They could sign Cron. They could sign Belt. They all can't get injured, can they?
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