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Who is sent to AAA when Grissom and Cooper are actived
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 28, 2024 21:45:59 GMT -5
The guess is that Grissom and Cooper are activated before Tuesday’s game. IMO, the two headed to Worcester will be Valdez and Dalbec….
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Post by asm18 on Apr 28, 2024 22:26:59 GMT -5
Dalbec
Pro: is playing great defense at 1B/3B - if Devers knee bone bruise is still a concern he could spell him there at times
Con: literally strikes out the half time - literally his MLB K rate has been 50% the last two years
Hamilton
Pro: he’s very very very fast. He can also play shortstop… sort of.
Con: not much of a hitter. Has made a plethora of errors. Does not like touching bases
Reyes
Pro: He cannot be optioned without being DFA’d. Can play any infield position (kind of…) and has also played OF before. Fun clubhouse guy. Last two years has low Chase/whiff rates.
Con: Last year might have been a flash in the pan - he may have been buried in the A’s minor league system for a reason
Valdez:
Pro: when he gets ahold of one, it’s a majestic blast. His defense at second has gotten better.
Con: is not actually hitting that well for a supposed bat-first guy. No positional versatility. Not sure where he gets at bats if Grissom is everyday 2B. There is almost no one you would really pinch hit him for. (Rafaela maaybe?)
For me I’d give Reyes a few more weeks of leash (but he’s gonna have to contribute beyond being the “fun guy” or a DFA is in sight), and definitely send Valdez down. Who they want between Dalbec/Hamilton is more a matter of where they need the positional help I guess.
Considering how bad these four have been, there’s really not a wrong answer
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Post by cdj on Apr 28, 2024 22:33:53 GMT -5
I’d send Valdez and Dalbec down
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Post by soxinsf on Apr 29, 2024 0:08:51 GMT -5
I’d send Valdez and Dalbec down In the short run, it’s Dalbec and Hamilton because Valdez gives them a semi-real 2B and Bobby needs a break if not a “time out”. The most likely to stay is Perez because he can play all over and can’t be optioned out. I would love to keep Bobby because I remember how good he can be. Problem is that he is simply lost at the dish. It’s just sad to see. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 29, 2024 0:27:44 GMT -5
I'd send down Valdez and Hamilton with the idea that Dalbec handles the reserve role for the corner IF positions and Reyes handles the middle infield positions. Hopefully neither play that often.
The infield would regularly be Cooper, Grissom, Rafaela, and Devers.
If they can upgrade either Dalbec or Reyes, go for it as the bar is low.
When they get Casas back, Dalbec would fo to AAA, Cooper would back up 1b and LF and Reyes would handle SS, 2B, and 3B.
Of course who knows if Dalbec and/or Reyes are around by the time Casas returns and/or who else gets injured?
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Post by keninten on Apr 29, 2024 1:19:42 GMT -5
I'd send down Valdez and Hamilton with the idea that Dalbec handles the reserve role for the corner IF positions and Reyes handles the middle infield positions. Hopefully neither play that often. The infield would regularly be Cooper, Grissom, Rafaela, and Devers. If they can upgrade either Dalbec or Reyes, go for it as the bar is low.When they get Casas back, Dalbec would fo to AAA, Cooper would back up 1b and LF and Reyes would handle SS, 2B, and 3B. Of course who knows if Dalbec and/or Reyes are around by the time Casas returns and/or who else gets injured? This is what Breslow should be doing with the May 1st opt outs. I`m still hopeful for Valdez. He should get regular time in Woo. |
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 29, 2024 8:27:58 GMT -5
I’d send Valdez and Dalbec down In the short run, it’s Dalbec and Hamilton because Valdez gives them a semi-real 2B and Bobby needs a break if not a “time out”. The most likely to stay is Perez because he can play all over and can’t be optioned out. I would love to keep Bobby because I remember how good he can be. Problem is that he is simply lost at the dish. It’s just sad to see. Hamilton is also a semi-real 2B, but he can also play SS if needed and he's a weapon as a pinch runner. I assume you mean Reyes instead of Perez, and I agree he'll probably stay for now for the reasons you state. Edit: With horror, I'm recalling that they seem incredibly averse to playing Refsnyder at 1B and would rather put Pablo or Wong there... I feel like they're going to keep Dalbec. I'll be the one falling to his knees in a local Walmart. |
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Post by rizdog on Apr 29, 2024 8:32:32 GMT -5
I'll be very surprised if it's not Valdez (to play everyday)and Hamilton. For as historically bad as his offense has been, Bob has played an excellent 1B and been very solid at 3B. As long as he's not hitting too often I think they'll value his defense over Hamilton's, which has been horrendous. Reyes can play SS once a week if needed.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 29, 2024 8:50:07 GMT -5
I'll be very surprised if it's not Valdez (to play everyday)and Hamilton. For as historically bad as his offense has been, Bob has played an excellent 1B and been very solid at 3B. As long as he's not hitting too often I think they'll value his defense over Hamilton's, which has been horrendous. Reyes can play SS once a week if needed. If Reyes is fine once a week at SS, though, why not also at 3B? It wouldn't be a downgrade on Dalbec for Wong or Refsnyder to play a game at 1B every once in a while. Edit: And to be fair, Bob's D would look just as bad if he was playing mostly SS. Hamilton's glove wouldn't be an issue as a 2B/SS/emergency OF + pinch runner type. FWIW I think the team is going to agree with you. I just think they shouldn't. Bob not being playable has to be more important than positional fit. |
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Post by strike23 on Apr 29, 2024 8:54:26 GMT -5
Probably depends on if they trust Grissom to rotate to 1B or 3B in a pinch too, he's at least tall enough for 1B though I don't know that he's played there and I know he was originally projected to slide to 3B when he moved of SS rather than 2B. If they think he can you can carry hamilton/reyes as your backups and let valdez get his swing back in AAA otherwise I think you keep Dalbec for a plus fielding corner IF backup
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Post by puzzler on Apr 29, 2024 8:58:17 GMT -5
I'll be very surprised if it's not Valdez (to play everyday)and Hamilton. For as historically bad as his offense has been, Bob has played an excellent 1B and been very solid at 3B. As long as he's not hitting too often I think they'll value his defense over Hamilton's, which has been horrendous. Reyes can play SS once a week if needed. If Reyes is fine once a week at SS, though, why not also at 3B? It wouldn't be a downgrade on Dalbec for Wong or Refsnyder to play a game at 1B every once in a while. Edit: And to be fair, Bob's D would look just as bad if he was playing mostly SS. Hamilton's glove wouldn't be an issue as a 2B/SS/emergency OF + pinch runner type. The difference between Dalbec and Reyes to me is pretty simple. He's played well defensively and Reyes hasn't. Neither one of them can hit a lick, but if Dalbec accidentally puts the bat on the ball, his ball goes a lot further. Right now, if everything were a binary decision, I would play Dalbec over Reyes at every single position on the infield. Hamilton should never play another major league baseball game outside of being a pinch runner. Over Valdez is a no brainer as well, because Valdez can only play one position and he desperately needs to figure out his bat somewhere not on a major league roster. I can't stand Dalbec's at bats - but he is a far better player defensively than any of Reyes, Hamilton, or Valdez. EDIT: It's fair to say that Dalbec isn't playable - but I don't know how he is less playable than Reyes, Hamilton or Valdez at this point. EDIT 2: He's also the only one of the four that has put down a decent bunt this entire season. |
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Post by strike23 on Apr 29, 2024 9:04:07 GMT -5
If Reyes is fine once a week at SS, though, why not also at 3B? It wouldn't be a downgrade on Dalbec for Wong or Refsnyder to play a game at 1B every once in a while. Edit: And to be fair, Bob's D would look just as bad if he was playing mostly SS. Hamilton's glove wouldn't be an issue as a 2B/SS/emergency OF + pinch runner type. The difference between Dalbec and Reyes to me is pretty simple. He's played well defensively and Reyes hasn't. Neither one of them can hit a lick, but if Dalbec accidentally puts the bat on the ball, his ball goes a lot further. Right now, if everything were a binary decision, I would play Dalbec over Reyes at every single position on the infield. Hamilton should never play another major league baseball game outside of being a pinch runner. Over Valdez is a no brainer as well, because Valdez can only play one position and he desperately needs to figure out his bat somewhere not on a major league roster. I can't stand Dalbec's at bats - but he is a far better player defensively than any of Reyes, Hamilton, or Valdez. EDIT: It's fair to say that Dalbec isn't playable - but I don't know how he is less playable than Reyes, Hamilton or Valdez at this point. Valdez has been making hard contact recently and plays better 2B defense than Dalbec but benefits the most from regular at bats in AAA (though if Yorke moves up does he even get those?) |
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Post by GyIantosca on Apr 29, 2024 9:15:51 GMT -5
I guess the only good thing about these injuries we are getting a good look at the depth. I want to see this pitcher they got from Tampa too. I’m very impressed. This team could be 5 games under and throw a pity party. This shows a good foundation. Strong clubhouse.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 29, 2024 9:18:58 GMT -5
If Reyes is fine once a week at SS, though, why not also at 3B? It wouldn't be a downgrade on Dalbec for Wong or Refsnyder to play a game at 1B every once in a while. Edit: And to be fair, Bob's D would look just as bad if he was playing mostly SS. Hamilton's glove wouldn't be an issue as a 2B/SS/emergency OF + pinch runner type. The difference between Dalbec and Reyes to me is pretty simple. He's played well defensively and Reyes hasn't. Neither one of them can hit a lick, but if Dalbec accidentally puts the bat on the ball, his ball goes a lot further. Right now, if everything were a binary decision, I would play Dalbec over Reyes at every single position on the infield. But Reyes has been a much better hitter than Dalbec: a 25 wRC+ vs. -3. That 28 point gap is the same as the career difference between Jackie Bradley Jr. and Xander Bogaerts. I'd expect both of them to positively regress somewhat, but I'd expect Reyes to continue to be a better hitter, and probably by a substantial margin. |
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 29, 2024 9:20:22 GMT -5
If Reyes is fine once a week at SS, though, why not also at 3B? It wouldn't be a downgrade on Dalbec for Wong or Refsnyder to play a game at 1B every once in a while. Edit: And to be fair, Bob's D would look just as bad if he was playing mostly SS. Hamilton's glove wouldn't be an issue as a 2B/SS/emergency OF + pinch runner type. The difference between Dalbec and Reyes to me is pretty simple. He's played well defensively and Reyes hasn't. Neither one of them can hit a lick, but if Dalbec accidentally puts the bat on the ball, his ball goes a lot further. Right now, if everything were a binary decision, I would play Dalbec over Reyes at every single position on the infield. Hamilton should never play another major league baseball game outside of being a pinch runner. Over Valdez is a no brainer as well, because Valdez can only play one position and he desperately needs to figure out his bat somewhere not on a major league roster. I can't stand Dalbec's at bats - but he is a far better player defensively than any of Reyes, Hamilton, or Valdez. EDIT: It's fair to say that Dalbec isn't playable - but I don't know how he is less playable than Reyes, Hamilton or Valdez at this point. EDIT 2: He's also the only one of the four that has put down a decent bunt this entire season. Is that even true, though? Bob has been steady, but he's had a handful of misplays, including two in back to back plays in this series (missed scoop, bobbled a ball when he had time to throw a runner out at the plate). Reyes' arm is clearly weaker, but he handles his glove well enough, and is totally fine for a start at 3B every few weeks. The difference in glove between him and Dalbec at either infield corner in occasional backup starts is less than the benefit from Hamilton as a pinch runner on a nightly basis, and the delta between Bob's bat and Reyes' bat (which feels gross to even say with how bad Reyes has been at the plate, but Dalbec has been even worse). Hamilton is not unplayable in the way Dalbec is. His bat has been normal bad, not a wet noodle, and he's probably average at 2B. It's shocking to me that people have turned on him this quickly compared to Dalbec given the much larger and multi-year sample of Dalbec sucking. Hamilton is in his age 26 season and hasn't had much MLB experience. Dalbec is in his age 29 season and has been producing steadily worse since the 2020 season. He's been awful since 2022, and in 2021 he was merely not very good. |
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Post by entrylevelhitman on Apr 29, 2024 9:23:52 GMT -5
The difference between Dalbec and Reyes to me is pretty simple. He's played well defensively and Reyes hasn't. Neither one of them can hit a lick, but if Dalbec accidentally puts the bat on the ball, his ball goes a lot further. Right now, if everything were a binary decision, I would play Dalbec over Reyes at every single position on the infield. Hamilton should never play another major league baseball game outside of being a pinch runner. Over Valdez is a no brainer as well, because Valdez can only play one position and he desperately needs to figure out his bat somewhere not on a major league roster. I can't stand Dalbec's at bats - but he is a far better player defensively than any of Reyes, Hamilton, or Valdez. EDIT: It's fair to say that Dalbec isn't playable - but I don't know how he is less playable than Reyes, Hamilton or Valdez at this point. Valdez has been making hard contact recently and plays better 2B defense than Dalbec but benefits the most from regular at bats in AAA (though if Yorke moves up does he even get those?) I'm wondering this same thing. Valdez is the obvious guy squeezed out when Grissom comes back, but unless he absolutely rakes in AAA for 6 weeks, or unless he learns a new position, he's getting squeezed from below as well -- the Sox have too many talented middle infielders, and we're really not that far away from in-season minor league promotions. |
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 29, 2024 9:28:03 GMT -5
Since the start of last season, Dalbec has 108 plate appearances, and he's struck out 55 times, and his Iso is .070. The all-or-nothing label doesn't apply anymore, there hasn't been any "all" for awhile now. I understand the mindset of talking yourself into the homegrown guy who is, by all accounts, a good guy, a good teammate, and a hard worker. But he's been among baseball's worst players really for three years now, and he doesn't particularly fill a need. It seems like I'm burying him and I feel bad about it.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 29, 2024 9:32:41 GMT -5
The difference between Dalbec and Reyes to me is pretty simple. He's played well defensively and Reyes hasn't. Neither one of them can hit a lick, but if Dalbec accidentally puts the bat on the ball, his ball goes a lot further. Right now, if everything were a binary decision, I would play Dalbec over Reyes at every single position on the infield. Hamilton should never play another major league baseball game outside of being a pinch runner. Over Valdez is a no brainer as well, because Valdez can only play one position and he desperately needs to figure out his bat somewhere not on a major league roster. I can't stand Dalbec's at bats - but he is a far better player defensively than any of Reyes, Hamilton, or Valdez. EDIT: It's fair to say that Dalbec isn't playable - but I don't know how he is less playable than Reyes, Hamilton or Valdez at this point. EDIT 2: He's also the only one of the four that has put down a decent bunt this entire season. Is that even true, though? Bob has been steady, but he's had a handful of misplays, including two in back to back plays in this series (missed scoop, bobbled a ball when he had time to throw a runner out at the plate). Reyes' arm is clearly weaker, but he handles his glove well enough, and is totally fine for a start at 3B every few weeks. The difference in glove between him and Dalbec at either infield corner in occasional backup starts is less than the benefit from Hamilton as a pinch runner on a nightly basis, and the delta between Bob's bat and Reyes' bat (which feels gross to even say with how bad Reyes has been at the plate, but Dalbec has been even worse). Hamilton is not unplayable in the way Dalbec is. His bat has been normal bad, not a wet noodle, and he's probably average at 2B. It's shocking to me that people have turned on him this quickly compared to Dalbec given the much larger and multi-year sample of Dalbec sucking. Hamilton is in his age 26 season and hasn't had much MLB experience. Dalbec is in his age 29 season and has been producing steadily worse since the 2020 season. He's been awful since 2022, and in 2021 he was merely not very good. If we're just doing a normal boring WAR comparison, Hamilton has easily been the least bad of the four. If you're looking at projections, Hamilton and Valdez have the easy advantage over the other two. There are questions about what role you'd want to fill with that spot on the roster, but just thinking in binary terms ("bad" vs. "not bad") rather than gradations of badness is going to paint a distorted picture.
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Post by cba82 on Apr 29, 2024 9:43:54 GMT -5
“Hamilton should never play another major league baseball game outside of being a pinch runner.” — Except for maybe the month of September, I’m pretty sure the Designated Rabbit days are over in the MLB.
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 29, 2024 9:45:03 GMT -5
I like Bobby but I decided long ago that if he was ever to have a chance at success, it has to be elsewhere at this point. Everything about Hamilton frustrates me, he's light hitting, he has two left feet and about as much situational awareness as a lump of anthracite.
I keep Reyes around because he seems like a glue guy in that clubhouse and if things go well, it's not like he has to get into more than 1-2 games a week. Reyes is still an enigma to me, but for right now his bat first profile that he isn't justifying and his lack of versatility says AAA.
All of that being said, who knows, these could be the shortest round trips to the WOO for all of these players. Not out of it being desirable, more because we seem to be losing players at an impressive clip.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 29, 2024 10:00:26 GMT -5
Hamilton is the primary 2B/SS backup. He's the best player from this group, works well as a reserve, and IMO is the only one with much of a chance of having a role on future teams.
Dalbec gets sent down and every player that hits waivers is a threat to take his spot
Valdez gets sent down and is going to need to start mashing in a hurry. Nick Yorke is coming soon, and Meidroth is going to play over him too. His time in the org is likely nearing an end.
Pablo stays up as the backup 3B that barely plays and counts his blessings every time he gets one more MLB paycheck
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 29, 2024 10:01:37 GMT -5
Pablo Reyes has been DFA'ed to make room for Garrett Cooper
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Post by puzzler on Apr 29, 2024 10:02:39 GMT -5
The difference between Dalbec and Reyes to me is pretty simple. He's played well defensively and Reyes hasn't. Neither one of them can hit a lick, but if Dalbec accidentally puts the bat on the ball, his ball goes a lot further. Right now, if everything were a binary decision, I would play Dalbec over Reyes at every single position on the infield. But Reyes has been a much better hitter than Dalbec: a 25 wRC+ vs. -3. That 28 point gap is the same as the career difference between Jackie Bradley Jr. and Xander Bogaerts. I'd expect both of them to positively regress somewhat, but I'd expect Reyes to continue to be a better hitter, and probably by a substantial margin. Let's say you're right and he is a slightly better hitter than Dalbec (the Bradley/Bogaerts stuff is nonsense), he's been a significantly worse fielder. |
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Post by trotman on Apr 29, 2024 10:03:48 GMT -5
Pablo Reyes has been DFA'ed to make room for Garrett Cooper I was not expecting any moves today. Last week they didn't make any moves on their off day. The difference there was probably awaiting the results of Casas's injury, now we have a clear picture. I'm guessing they try to slip Pablo through to AAA. There have been a few other DFAs and no other team has the same glut of IF injuries. |
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Post by asm18 on Apr 29, 2024 10:05:49 GMT -5
Pablo Reyes has been DFA'ed to make room for Garrett Cooper |
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