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Post by Guidas on May 28, 2013 12:43:49 GMT -5
And it's not like they won't want two of Bogaerts, Barnes, Webster, and De La Rosa in exchange (at least) unless Sox eat a ton of money (i.e most or all of it).
It may be just me but I think we can do better for $75M and a bunch of talent.
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Post by hammerhead on May 28, 2013 12:48:16 GMT -5
Don't mess with the plan. As much as Lee looks like he'd be a nice fit, I'd hate to see Ben C. stray from the plan for a playoff run. Lee will not be worth that amount of money at that age in the AL over the next two years.
Stay the course.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 28, 2013 12:51:14 GMT -5
There will be better opportunities to use that money the Dodgers gave the Sox.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 28, 2013 13:45:59 GMT -5
Don't mean to spin this thread off in the wrong direction, but here was my thought process with Lee.
Lets say the Red Sox are 10 days to the trade deadline and somewhere in the range of tied for the division to a 3 game lead. At this point it would be clear the Sox have a chance to compete. I think you cheat yourself if you don't try to improve the team at this point. What positions could we realistically upgrade? 3B, SS, Corner OF, C, SP, RP. At Catcher the only improvement that may be available is Mauer, who is owed more money than Lee. I don't think you give up Middlebrooks just yet, not sure what SS's will be available better than Drew/Iglesias, and a better corner OF would be expensive, Stanton being the first to come to mind. RP is a minor trade. The biggest impact trade I could think of would be for a top of the rotation type pitcher, with our new found financial freedom Lee seems reasonable, especially if we will take on dollars to save prospects.
Red Sox are the highest spending except for Yankees. There is a 189M payroll tax next year, and as a Sox fan I really don't see the difference between spending 188.9M and 50M. Lee is owed a lot of money but it is still relatively short term. Per cots we are at 154M hard dollar (not AAV) 162 after Napoli gets his vesting option. So we could reinvest all the money given in 2013 to Napoli, Drew, Hanrahan, and Ellsbury, take on 100% of Lee's contract and still be under the payroll tax. I don't see Lee's contract as restricting our FA signings till possibly 2015.
So this is my thought process that if we are leading the division around the trade deadline a Lee trade should at least be considered. What other trade possibilities make more sense?
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 28, 2013 15:06:52 GMT -5
We should absolutely consider such deals as Mauer and Lee going forward. Partial salary dumps as long as they are worthwhile players and we don't have to give up a lot to get them. I would hesitate to do 5-6 year type deals but 2-3 year deals even for very expensive players are worthwhile as long as the players are producing.
As crazy as it maybe sounds, I would offer Ellsbury a qualifying offer even if he continues to have a bad year. I want that pick. And if we keep him we can slot JBJ in RF and trade Victorino if necessary. Or even trade JBJ. He's got to be a hot commodity right now. I wouldn't give him away of course but a lot of teams would covet such an obvious talent.
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Post by okin15 on May 28, 2013 15:11:11 GMT -5
If Ciriaco can't get a start at SS against a tough LHP like Lee, then we really do need to ditch him. Here's hoping for a three-way platoon at 3B and SS after WMB gets back from extended "rehab". You know, unless it gets taken care of before then (injuries, knock on wood).
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Post by jdb on May 28, 2013 16:50:02 GMT -5
As crazy as it maybe sounds, I would offer Ellsbury a qualifying offer even if he continues to have a bad year. I want that pick. And if we keep him we can slot JBJ in RF and trade Victorino if necessary. Or even trade JBJ. He's got to be a hot commodity right now. I wouldn't give him away of course but a lot of teams would covet such an obvious talent. Nothing crazy about that with Ells. Hell we over paid for short term deals we could essentially offer arb to Drew and Napoli until we think they are done. The way it's set up BC holds the cards. If they are healthy and producing we have them on one year deals unless someone wants to give up a pick. |
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 28, 2013 17:06:49 GMT -5
If Ciriaco can't get a start at SS against a tough LHP like Lee, then we really do need to ditch him. Here's hoping for a three-way platoon at 3B and SS after WMB gets back from extended "rehab". You know, unless it gets taken care of before then (injuries, knock on wood). Ciriaco is around 2 for 5 or so if I remember correctly against Lee, and Gomes is 2 for 27 or so. Hmmmm. Gomes is playing and Ciriaco is setting. |
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Post by bluechip on May 28, 2013 18:46:38 GMT -5
I love listening to Pedro Martinez talk about baseball.
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Post by wcp3 on May 28, 2013 19:51:55 GMT -5
This one's over.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 28, 2013 19:55:03 GMT -5
If Ben Cherington doesn't offer Jacoby Ellsbury the qualifying offer, he should turn in his employee parking pass immediately. That'd be insane.
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Post by Guidas on May 28, 2013 20:06:54 GMT -5
He should offer him a five year deal and transition him to LF in year 3.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 28, 2013 20:24:10 GMT -5
Lee is paid a lot but he is worth every dime. 5 straight seasons of 210+ ip, highest era in those years 3.22.
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Post by wcp3 on May 28, 2013 20:27:30 GMT -5
This one is very, very, very over.
Even as a Red Sox fan, it is a joy watching Lee pitch when he's on. Not just because he's an incredible pitcher, but he's one of those rare guys who works extremely fast.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 28, 2013 20:35:27 GMT -5
He should offer him a five year deal and transition him to LF in year 3. A lot of people were moaning when we offered Victorino a 3 year / $39 mil deal after he hit .258 or so. Just saying! I think Elsbury will do a lot better so I don't think this scenario will come up. I also have no problem with them giving him a qualifying offer and then taking the pick. In many ways it is almost definite value while the 5 year deal may not pan out and it will be expensive. If we didn't have JBJ I'd be more receptive. We could always trade JBJ though, or Victorino. I want a major bopper in LF. |
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Post by Guidas on May 28, 2013 20:35:30 GMT -5
What - does Gomes have some sort of porn with animals blackmail on Farrell? No idea why he was hitting second nevermind still in this game.
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Post by wcp3 on May 28, 2013 20:35:55 GMT -5
Also, it's a joke that Red Sox fans are booing Papelbon.
I didn't love the guy, but he's arguably the best closer in their history, sealed a World Series win, and left the Sox when the ownership made it clear they didn't want him back.
Honestly, Red Sox fans have become a bunch of losers.
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Post by mredsox89 on May 28, 2013 20:39:23 GMT -5
The Gomes experiment has to be pushing it's limits.
In regards to the booing of Papelbon, every teams fans do that. Always has been, always will be. It has nothing to do with what Sox fans have become. When you choose to leave when you are still an elite talent, you get booed, plain and simple. I don't think that it's right to boo, but it's like that everywhere in every sport
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Post by wcp3 on May 28, 2013 20:41:00 GMT -5
That's not really true.
And have you been to a Sox game lately? Red Sox fans are horrendous these days.
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Post by mredsox89 on May 28, 2013 20:50:29 GMT -5
Many fans were obnoxious starting after the WS win in 04, more of them are obnoxious and idiotic now. Yet it's still vastly superior to most fanbases at ballparks around the league
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Post by widewordofsport on May 28, 2013 21:04:23 GMT -5
Many fans were obnoxious starting after the WS win in 04, more of them are obnoxious and idiotic now. Yet it's still vastly superior to most fanbases at ballparks around the league For instance, you want to see some obnoxious fans, you should see Red Sox fans at Camden Yards, or Fenway West. |
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Post by marrcus on May 28, 2013 21:04:24 GMT -5
They sing, look at their phones and mug for the camera. I don't care about their booing (or even notice it).
The lineup is going to look weak without Napoli (or Ortiz)down there. Hoping for a split.
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Post by widewordofsport on May 28, 2013 21:05:54 GMT -5
"What - does Gomes have some sort of porn with animals blackmail on Farrell? No idea why he was hitting second nevermind still in this game."
I'd rather have NESN cut in with live shots of Farrel and a donkey, than watch Gomes hit.
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Post by danr on May 28, 2013 21:14:48 GMT -5
You see, Gomes kills LH pitching...
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 28, 2013 21:15:43 GMT -5
Worst loss ever. Bring in Joe Mauer and any other salary dump out there.
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