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Post by Jonathan Singer on May 29, 2013 14:53:49 GMT -5
5/29 Red Sox (RHP John Lackey 3-4 2.72) @ Phillies (RHP Kyle Kendrick 4-3 3.29) 7:05 pm ET, NESN/WEEI5/30 Red Sox (LHP Franklin Morales NR) @ Phillies (RHP Jonathan Pettibone 3-0 3.21) 7:05 pm ET, NESN/MLBN/WEEIMLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by danr on May 29, 2013 18:55:57 GMT -5
That was not a smart move by Pedroia.
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Post by Guidas on May 29, 2013 19:17:02 GMT -5
Sox should have four runs off this pitcher. They are helping him too much. And if this is Napoli's strike zone this year then the Sox should save some money and sign Mark Reynolds. Same K rate.
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Post by danr on May 29, 2013 19:24:07 GMT -5
I'm only seeing Gameday, but Lackey does not seem to be as sharp as in his previous appearances. His FB topped out at 93, twice with the same batter, but most of the time it has ranged between 88 and 92. A lot of pitches in the mid 80s and curveballs in the high 70s. Not intimidating.
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Post by atzar on May 29, 2013 20:16:28 GMT -5
For some reason it amuses me that Jonny Gomes doesn't even twitch when he gets hit by a pitch.
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Post by jdb on May 29, 2013 20:22:19 GMT -5
I'd like to see the K zone on that called 3rd strike to Ells. Looked outside.
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Post by mattpicard on May 29, 2013 20:22:41 GMT -5
Damn. I thought that ball off the bat of Nava was destined for center field when it left the bat.
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Post by mattpicard on May 29, 2013 20:23:08 GMT -5
I'd like to see the K zone on that called 3rd strike to Ells. Looked outside. According to the Amica Pitch Zone, it was clearly outside.
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Post by mattpicard on May 29, 2013 20:48:29 GMT -5
Jeez Nap, that was, what, 2 millimeters off the exact center of the strike zone? Looking for something else or not, you can't take that with 2 strikes.
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Post by Guidas on May 29, 2013 20:48:45 GMT -5
Napoli is just awful.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 29, 2013 21:05:25 GMT -5
That's a hell of a spot to put Bradley in.
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Post by mattpicard on May 29, 2013 21:19:03 GMT -5
Frustrating game. Too many missed opportunities. But I thought Gomes was going to score on that bloop double in the 9th. Wish there was a replay. Should have PR'd Ciriaco?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 21:20:05 GMT -5
Bradley was blown away by Pap. I miss Pap in Boston.
Would it have been better if Gomes was waived around third to the plate on Ellsbury's hit and taken the chances that maybe the throw was off-line or Gomes' large size would have knocked the ball out of the catcher's mitt to score the tying run? I don't know. But if I was Nava, I would not have swung on the first pitch to ground out to end the game.
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Post by jmei on May 29, 2013 22:04:27 GMT -5
This was a tough one. Can't win them all, I guess.
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Post by wcp3 on May 29, 2013 22:27:44 GMT -5
So, can someone explain to me how Gomes didn't score on that last play? Or why Nava was up there hacking at the first pitch?
Morons.
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Post by threeifbaerga on May 29, 2013 22:36:52 GMT -5
So, can someone explain to me how Gomes didn't score on that last play? Or why Nava was up there hacking at the first pitch? Morons. Good lord.
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Post by bluechip on May 29, 2013 22:40:28 GMT -5
Frustrating game. Too many missed opportunities. But I thought Gomes was going to score on that bloop double in the 9th. Wish there was a replay. Should have PR'd Ciriaco? Pinch running Ciriaco probably would have been smart. Gomes is not exactly a track star.
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Post by jmei on May 29, 2013 22:47:30 GMT -5
So, can someone explain to me how Gomes didn't score on that last play? Or why Nava was up there hacking at the first pitch? Morons. (1) It was a bloop double and Gomes is slow. Brown got the ball about the same time that Gomes reached third base and assuming that Brown made a reasonably accurate throw to the plate, Gomes would have been out by a good five feet. We'd then be complaining about Butterfield sending him and Farrell's "aggressive baserunning." (2) You can't just gift good pitchers strike one and sometimes it makes sense to swing at the first pitch. It's not like Nava swung at a bad pitch-- it was a fastball over the plate and Nava just hooked it.
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Post by hammerhead on May 30, 2013 7:07:29 GMT -5
This game wasn't lost in the 9th inning, it was lost leaving 80 billion runners on base especially in situations where there were a couple guys on and less then 2 outs. The way this team operates it's going to have games like this. It's exactly the approach that most of you guys want. If Farrell is aggressive and or starts bunting guys around the screaming on here would be five times what it is now.
There was no way that Gomes was going to score from 1st on a pop-fly double. If you watch the replay it's pretty obvious he had to hold up.
I trust Nava's eye, if he thought that first pitch was in his wheel house there is no reason not to jump on it. It's not like his track record is of being too aggressive. Sometimes you simply miss one and he did there.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on May 30, 2013 7:14:57 GMT -5
Morales starts today in lieu of Jon Lester who is pushed back to the Yankees series due to Clay Buchholz being pushed back.
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Post by wcp3 on May 30, 2013 8:15:59 GMT -5
Then why wasn't Gomes run for? Farrell does it all the time with Ortiz (including once when the Red Sox were already up), but he didn't run for Gomes when he was the potential tying run in the 9th? It's not like they would have missed his bat if the game went to extras.
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Post by threeifbaerga on May 30, 2013 9:00:23 GMT -5
Then why wasn't Gomes run for? Farrell does it all the time with Ortiz (including once when the Red Sox were already up), but he didn't run for Gomes when he was the potential tying run in the 9th? It's not like they would have missed his bat if the game went to extras. Gomes is one of the best base runners on the team. If he had gotten thrown out at home you'd have called for Butterfield's job and called Farrell an idiot for hiring him. Just stop.
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Post by honkbal on May 30, 2013 9:02:47 GMT -5
It's the conservative play. Gomes is slow, but he's a good baserunner in the sense that he wasn't going to run into any outs.
EDIT: Yeah, what he said.
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Post by wcp3 on May 30, 2013 12:24:52 GMT -5
Then why wasn't Gomes run for? Farrell does it all the time with Ortiz (including once when the Red Sox were already up), but he didn't run for Gomes when he was the potential tying run in the 9th? It's not like they would have missed his bat if the game went to extras. Gomes is one of the best base runners on the team. If he had gotten thrown out at home you'd have called for Butterfield's job and called Farrell an idiot for hiring him. Just stop. That wasn't relevant to what I said at all.
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Post by feez732 on May 30, 2013 13:11:52 GMT -5
Unless I'm forgetting something, Ciriaco was the last IF/OF left on the bench and Ortiz had already pinch hit for Iglesias. If Ciriaco pinch runs for Gomes, he's staying in at 3B and one of Ortiz, Napoli, Salty or Ross is playing LF in the bottom of the inning.
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