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5/30 ML Gameday Thread: 2 lefties, 2 righties today
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Post by Jonathan Singer on May 30, 2013 7:37:18 GMT -5
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Post by sammo420 on May 30, 2013 7:45:40 GMT -5
running out of creative titles huh? I would've tried to work in a Johnson and Johnson joke
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Post by borisman on May 30, 2013 8:55:14 GMT -5
The DSL begins its season on Saturday. Is there any word on the roster yet?
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Post by raftsox on May 30, 2013 12:26:45 GMT -5
I'm getting sad that Britton is still in AA and still starting. It's obvious that with his 40 man spot and lack of options remaining he's going to have to move to the 'pen to get to Boston. Therefore, I believe they're boping to include him in a package at the trade deadline and want to maximize his value by starting him.
I think he'd be a very good bullpen arm. I'd replace Andrew Miller with him. He can't be much worse and only makes league minimum.
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Post by widewordofsport on May 30, 2013 12:45:13 GMT -5
Agree with Raftsox on Britton, some people here really want to give him a bit more run as a SP. I figure he's a RP if he sticks with Sox past trade deadline.
Vazquez slumping some, 0-14 since his better-than-a-cycle night. On the plus side, 4BB/3K in that time, which is nice to see.
I think we all knew the 20%BB/10%K rates weren't holding up, but it doesn't look like they'll reverse to his prior averages, either. It may be a while before K% passes BB% for him.
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Post by widewordofsport on May 30, 2013 12:50:01 GMT -5
running out of creative titles huh? I would've tried to work in a Johnson and Johnson joke Second place "You're a *$!%^@ college pitcher with a $1.55M bonus in low A. Pitch like it" On the other hand, is Mike Augilera pitching himself into the top 60? Or is he going to crash into a velo/stuff ceiling at AA? |
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Post by Jonathan Singer on May 30, 2013 13:32:06 GMT -5
The DSL begins its season on Saturday. Is there any word on the roster yet? Working on it |
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Post by jonasi on May 30, 2013 13:35:33 GMT -5
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Post by widewordofsport on May 30, 2013 13:57:01 GMT -5
Almost missed the fact it's former Red Sox prospect Kris Johnson going to Indianapolis tonight.
#8 prospect in Sept 2006 after being drafted in the 1S round that year, and steadily dropped to #19 by Sept 2006, then out of the rankings entirely.
One of four Wichita State pitchers drafted by the Red Sox from 2003-2006
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Post by raftsox on May 30, 2013 14:20:40 GMT -5
running out of creative titles huh? I would've tried to work in a Johnson and Johnson joke Second place "You're a *$!%^@ college pitcher with a $1.55M bonus in low A. Pitch like it" From the Memorial Day Thread: Pitcher Team G IP W L S ERA H R ER HR BB K G/F WHIP AVG OPS Brandon Workman Gre 26 131.0 6 7 0 3.71 128 67 54 10 33 115 1.24 1.23 0.260 0.694 Pitcher Team TBF AB XBH IBB HBP DP SB CS KLook H/9 BB/9 K/9 HR/9 OBP SLG K/BB Brandon Workman Gre 540 493 36 0 5 8 21 12 32 8.79 2.27 7.90 0.69 0.310 0.383 3.48 Pitcher Team RCa RCa/27 GB% FB% Pop% LD% IF/F HR/F K% BB% BABIP DIPS3 FIP ERC xERA LOB% Brandon Workman Gre 58.0 4.2 40.1 32.4 10.6 16.9 24.7 6.3 21.3 6.1 0.321 3.60 3.31 3.42 3.49 65.1 Pitcher Team G IP W L S ERA H R ER HR BB K G/F WHIP AVG OPS Brian Johnson Gre 8 34.0 1 4 0 3.71 29 19 14 3 16 34 1.33 1.32 0.220 0.662 Pitcher Team TBF AB XBH IBB HBP DP SB CS KLook H/9 BB/9 K/9 HR/9 OBP SLG K/BB Brian Johnson Gre 151 132 10 0 2 1 11 6 13 7.68 4.24 9.00 0.79 0.313 0.348 2.12 Pitcher Team RCa RCa/27 GB% FB% Pop% LD% IF/F HR/F K% BB% BABIP DIPS3 FIP ERC xERA LOB% Brian Johnson Gre 15.1 3.7 37.6 28.2 9.4 24.7 25.0 9.4 22.5 10.6 0.274 3.92 3.94 3.54 3.49 65.4 I'd just like to point out that Brian Johnson is not grossly underperforming a pitcher whom we all like. Lesson being: be patient. |
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Post by widewordofsport on May 30, 2013 14:43:46 GMT -5
The last start was good, the two before that not as much. I think we were hoping he'd jump to Salem early like Ranaudo/Barnes, when in reality he's more Workman, probably needs a full year at Greenville.
Workman: 2nd round, $0.8M
Barnes: 1st round, $1.5M
Ranaudo: 1S round, $2.55M
Johnson: 1st round, $1.55M
I think the impatience is more a result of the spot/bonus, than the reasonable expectations given the player. I remember thinking at the time it just seemed high for everything I heard about his ceiling/expectations.
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Post by ray88h66 on May 30, 2013 14:46:46 GMT -5
running out of creative titles huh? I would've tried to work in a Johnson and Johnson joke Another possible post. Thanks for all the hard work Jonathan. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 30, 2013 14:50:20 GMT -5
The last start was good, the two before that not as much. I think we were hoping he'd jump to Salem early like Ranaudo/Barnes, when in reality he's more Workman, probably needs a full year at Greenville. Workman: 2nd round, $0.8M Barnes: 1st round, $1.5M Ranaudo: 1S round, $2.55M Johnson: 1st round, $1.55M I think the impatience is more a result of the spot/bonus, than the reasonable expectations given the player. I remember thinking at the time it just seemed high for everything I heard about his ceiling/expectations. I wouldn't compare bonuses pre- and post-CBA. Completely different world. |
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Post by widewordofsport on May 30, 2013 15:37:47 GMT -5
"I wouldn't compare bonuses pre- and post-CBA. Completely different world."
Which makes Johnsons bonus have an even higher relative value, correct? i know it's always easy to say a year later a team over/underpaid, and I'm not writing off Johnson, but it just seemed high at the time, and continues to seem high to me.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 30, 2013 15:40:12 GMT -5
Eh, I guess. I think people forget how high he went too. At 31, he was picked before Ranaudo (although that's not really comparable either - in today's draft, he goes unsigned and goes back to LSU for his senior year) and WELL before Workman at 57. You'd expect him to get a lot more than Workman going 26 picks sooner.
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Post by widewordofsport on May 30, 2013 16:09:40 GMT -5
Which is my point I think... just that given the spot/$$$, maybe expected him a little stronger out of the gate in Greenville. Another good start tonight and Wednesday, we'll be talking about how long till he hits Salem.
PS. Only 2.5 more weeks till we can all make the "Smooth as Buttrey" jokes we've been saving up!
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 30, 2013 16:23:29 GMT -5
Not sure you can compare draft slots across drafts, either ... every draft is different, the quality of one doesn't necessary correlate exactly with the quality of another.
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Post by mredsox89 on May 30, 2013 17:49:57 GMT -5
Not shocked that Johnson isn't putting up great numbers, considering he didn't do it at UF even as a junior. His best season was his sophomore year, where he went 8-3 with a 3.62 ERA. He had good BB/9 and K/9 stats, but he never dominated like you see many top flight collegiate pitchers do.
Ranaudo's only full season (09) was significantly better than any Johnson had, and he also projected as a much better SP.
Tough to compare the Big East to the SEC, but as a junior, Barnes posted significantly better #'s in just about everything but walks.
Johnson's never posted a sub 3.5 ERA, so even against likely weaker competition, his #'s aren't too far off from his college output
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on May 30, 2013 18:08:53 GMT -5
Which is my point I think... just that given the spot/$$$, maybe expected him a little stronger out of the gate in Greenville. Another good start tonight and Wednesday, we'll be talking about how long till he hits Salem. PS. Only 2.5 more weeks till we can all make the "Smooth as Buttrey" jokes we've been saving up! I'm thinking more along the Beavis and lines or for you old timers Bertha Buttry! |
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on May 30, 2013 18:12:47 GMT -5
Eh, I guess. I think people forget how high he went too. At 31, he was picked before Ranaudo (although that's not really comparable either - in today's draft, he goes unsigned and goes back to LSU for his senior year) and WELL before Workman at 57. You'd expect him to get a lot more than Workman going 26 picks sooner. So we questioned the pick then, and now with eyes on, we question it even more. Maybe based on college production the comparable is Hernadez? |
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on May 30, 2013 18:19:58 GMT -5
Ugly second for Britton...E Xander (after he was hpb the prior inning) three doubles and some other crap leads to five runs.
I'm still curious about him especially the whole late blooming lefty thing but tic tock!
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Post by mredsox89 on May 30, 2013 18:35:32 GMT -5
Eh, I guess. I think people forget how high he went too. At 31, he was picked before Ranaudo (although that's not really comparable either - in today's draft, he goes unsigned and goes back to LSU for his senior year) and WELL before Workman at 57. You'd expect him to get a lot more than Workman going 26 picks sooner. So we questioned the pick then, and now with eyes on, we question it even more. Maybe based on college production the comparable is Hernadez? Hernandez put up better college numbers, but everyone knew he was more of a college type pitcher than an MLB guy, softer stuff, control, etc, the stuff that has been talked about to death on here. As a true freshman, Hernandez went 11-0 with a 2.62 ERA I was at UM when both Hernandez was at UM and Johnson was at UF, I did the baseball broadcasting for UM. Johnson always seemed to have better stuff in terms of power pitching than his numbers showed, Hernandez always looked like a guy who could dominate good college and ML talent, but would struggle at the big league level |
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Post by widewordofsport on May 30, 2013 19:11:36 GMT -5
3.48/3.35 ERA for Workman his last two years at Texas. So maybe Johnson will get there, but it seems a lot of people questioned it at the time, and it seems to have held up so far, given the large bonus. Maybe there just wasnt anyone else available that would sign for that. But picking a college senior at 31 maybe means you pick a tough-sign high school bat instead of a guy like Minnich later on.
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Post by azblue on May 30, 2013 21:45:35 GMT -5
A costly error by Xander:
Portland Sea Dogs
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Drake Britton (L, 3-5) 5.0 7 5 1 1 7 0 4.11
Pete Ruiz 2.0 4 2 2 2 1 0 4.38
Jeremy Kehrt 2.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 5.11
Totals 9.0 12 7 3 3 8 0 3.96
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Post by jmei on May 30, 2013 22:56:54 GMT -5
I think he'd be a very good bullpen arm. I'd replace Andrew Miller with him. He can't be much worse and only makes league minimum. You mean Andrew "1.99 xFIP" Miller? He's got a crazy 15.79 K/9 and is striking out more than three times the batters he walks. He's probably the fourth best reliever on the team (you could make an argument for Breslow, I guess) and there's no chance in hell that Britton is anywhere as good as Miller. I understand the sentiment that Britton needs to piss or get off the pot, but Miller is a misplaced target of criticism. |
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