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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 16, 2013 17:19:47 GMT -5
I was wrong about last year would be the right reply. To be clear fenway ,I remeber you saying the O's couldn't keep it up in the middle of the year last year. I may be wrong So Davis and Machado didn't make any difference to that team, then? The 29-9 record wasn't based on luck, but on talent that they didn't actually have at the time? If the Orioles were still the same team they were in mid-12, they wouldn't still be winning. But they're not the same team they were a year ago. A year ago it was smoke and mirrors. Now it's talent.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 16, 2013 17:23:35 GMT -5
So Davis and Machado didn't make any difference to that team, then? The 29-9 record wasn't based on luck, but on talent that they didn't actually have at the time? I didn't think we'd see you admit to being wrong. I'll let our fellow posters decide.
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Post by rdsxmbnt on Jun 16, 2013 17:25:01 GMT -5
[ b]All last year I had to read about how lucky the O's were. No way they could keep winning so many close games. Here they are again. They are a good team. Thank you. I agree totally.
I don't know how we have scored more runs as a team than the Orioles and other teams. I leave it to OBP and Nava, Carp & Iglesias (even Papi) who have been blessings in that regard. We have a CF with 1 homerun and a 'most times' RF with 2. Now Carp is down for an 8 count (following 8 bombs)...... Napoli hopefully does not have something seriously wrong with him altho that would explain the otherwise inexplicable number and frequency of strikeouts, wild misses and drop-off in productivity. Our best starting pitcher is borderline DL and fragile historically, we have no #2 guy and the schedule looks pretty tough up ahead.....We know that Iggy will not be the next .400 hitter and that Lackey, Doubront & Dempster will fall just a bit short of the Cy Young. Bailey in the 9th with less than a 3 run lead can cause even the most healthy to clutch chests.....Now where did I put my "worry beads".....
Wait!...We had a great draft from #7 position so we should be ok. All we need to do is trade some of our better prospects...Bradley, Xander, RDLR, Webster etc. and we can get Papelbon back and maybe another bat or #3 starter! Hey, Dammit! We can win this thing!![/b][/quote] You can literally do this with every team
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 16, 2013 17:25:13 GMT -5
They are a lucky team. They walked us off on a bloop single in one of the wins, they had all the weak line drives and flyballs fall today for another win (didn't help that Gomes was in LF) and they were playing us banged up (Napoli only played 1 inning all series, Buchholz missed his start, Victorino/Pedroia didn't play today, etc).
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 16, 2013 17:27:25 GMT -5
So Davis and Machado didn't make any difference to that team, then? The 29-9 record wasn't based on luck, but on talent that they didn't actually have at the time? I didn't think we'd see you admit to being wrong. I'll let our fellow posters decide. Please explain why the Orioles have already lost as many one-run games this year as they did in all of 2012. If their record in one-run games wasn't based on luck, why haven't they kept it up?
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 16, 2013 17:27:26 GMT -5
Ray88 I agree with both you and Fenway. At base, the Orioles are a pretty damned good team....and they have become that without much "fanfare". I like their late relief and overall lineup better than ours at present. If Ells, Victorino and Middlebrooks can be more productive, (is that a big if?) and we can trade for a good starter, we could have a solid chance.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 16, 2013 17:32:32 GMT -5
I didn't think we'd see you admit to being wrong. I'll let our fellow posters decide. Please explain why the Orioles have already lost as many one-run games this year as they did in all of 2012. If their record in one-run games wasn't based on luck, why haven't they kept it up? I can't. Am I wrong about you saying they couldn't keep it up mid season last year?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 16, 2013 17:44:03 GMT -5
2012 Orioles:
Split W L RS RA WP First Half 45 40 351 387 .529 Second Half 48 29 361 318 .623
Going 45-40 in the first half was luck. Teams that are outscored by their opponents do not have winning records in the long run. I didn't think they could keep winning that way, and here's the key point: they didn't. They've been winning the old-fashioned way, by outscoring their opponents, ever since.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 16, 2013 18:03:11 GMT -5
Anyone who knew what they were talking about didn't think the Orioles would keep it up last year. It's not like Fenway was the only one. Relax.
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Post by jmei on Jun 16, 2013 18:17:13 GMT -5
Ah yes, the inevitable panic that comes after losing three out of four road games in June. Now they're only tied for the best record in the AL and the division lead is only 1.5 games!
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 16, 2013 19:03:45 GMT -5
Anyone who knew what they were talking about didn't think the Orioles would keep it up last year. It's not like Fenway was the only one. Relax. Or, I was wrong to. But I'll relax, I'm posting crazy.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 16, 2013 20:22:50 GMT -5
Ah yes, the inevitable panic that comes after losing three out of four road games in June. Now they're only tied for the best record in the AL and the division lead is only 1.5 games! Also enjoying the moral outrage that the Orioles might actually be a better team than the Red Sox.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 16, 2013 20:52:57 GMT -5
Anyone who knew what they were talking about didn't think the Orioles would keep it up last year. It's not like Fenway was the only one. Relax. Or, I was wrong to. But I'll relax, I'm posting crazy. Came off snarkier than intended. Point was just that it's not like Fenway is talking crazy. My point is that you can attribute last year to luck and appreciate what they're doing this year as well. That's where I'm at with them.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 16, 2013 21:00:26 GMT -5
Or, I was wrong to. But I'll relax, I'm posting crazy. Came off snarkier than intended. Point was just that it's not like Fenway is talking crazy. My point is that you can attribute last year to luck and appreciate what they're doing this year as well. That's where I'm at with them. That's a fair point. Also, want to say I don't think Fenway is crazy at all. He has a good baseball mind, I wouldn't debate him otherwise,
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 17, 2013 10:36:34 GMT -5
The Sox just need to get through Tampa and Detroit and then there is about 15 games of suckiness for this team to fatten up on.
This Sox team has as good a chance of winning it all as every other playoff team out there. When Lester rights the ship and Buch gets healthy they'll start roll and all the whiners here will be jumping right back on the band wagon saying "I told you they were this good, I knew it all along"
They have a top 10 farm system with at least 4 high quality major league replacements ready at a moments notice.
They also have the best prospect in baseball on the verge of pulling a Machado
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Post by Guidas on Jun 17, 2013 12:18:04 GMT -5
The Sox just need to get through Tampa and Detroit and then there is about 15 games of suckiness for this team to fatten up on. This Sox team has as good a chance of winning it all as every other playoff team out there. When Lester rights the ship and Buch gets healthy they'll start roll and all the whiners here will be jumping right back on the band wagon saying "I told you they were this good, I knew it all along" They have a top 10 farm system with at least 4 high quality major league replacements ready at a moments notice. They also have the best prospect in baseball on the verge of pulling a Machado 15 Games of suckiness? That includes a 10 game West Coast road trip where they'll likely face King Felix and Iwakmura, and include 3 games with the As who have an identical record to the Sox? They'll be lucky to get through that trip 5-5. The last 3 games are vs. NYY who have two pitchers (Sabatha & Pettitte) against whom the Sox have had difficulties this year. All these teams are flawed, including the Sox, and there's very little out there to "fatten up on" not named Houston or Miami.
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