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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 13, 2013 14:38:16 GMT -5
I love the aggressiveness of this but I'd really like to hear from some of the scouts here if they think he's ready. Just wonder if part of this is seeing how he deals with that so he may be closer to an Aug/Sept 1 call-up. Someone also suggested to me just now they may have moved him up in preparation for a possible trade that's being framed out trade at the deadline for an elite player and the controlling team wanted to see him against higher level competition to gage how close he is to MLB. I don't think the Sox would ever do that for a whole host of reasons, but I'll let the experts answer that one as well. We talked about this on the podcast two days ago: news.soxprospects.com/2013/06/soxprospectscom-podcast-38-draft-post.htmlAnd while he doesn't literally talk about his potential promotion, Ian wrote him up for the Scouting Scratch yesterday: news.soxprospects.com/2013/06/scouting-scratch-xander-bogaerts-and.htmlHe's absolutely ready. I'm not sure why you'd think otherwise. And you should stop listening to whoever suggested the trade thing. He's about as untradeable as a prospect can get. I'm going to guess it was the same person who told you De La Torre had "back of the bullpen" stuff?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 13, 2013 14:56:16 GMT -5
He has wanted to trade Bogaerts for years. Not surprised. Keep it up Guidas.
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Post by njsox on Jun 13, 2013 15:00:48 GMT -5
Without watching games firsthand I am guessing Bogaerts big increase in walks has something to do with the promotion. He has proven that he will take a walk and it certainly isn't helping his development if they aren't pitching to him at all. As far as Buxton #1 over Bogaerts I bet it will be the cause of great conversation/debate over at BA, but in my opinion it will have a lot to do with how Buxton looks upon his eventual promotion to A+. If he shows the same plate discipline and hit tool at high A then he definitely deserves to be in the conversation for #1. With that being said, I wouldn't trade Xander straight up for Buxton, I love Xander's easy power to all fields way too much.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 13, 2013 15:04:27 GMT -5
Thank you FO, I was so pissed about staying up late with the game. I did my 1st fist pump today. Can we say that Drew's days are numbered?
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Post by Guidas on Jun 13, 2013 15:05:04 GMT -5
LOL - I love Bogaerts Norberto. The only guys I think I've said I'd ever trade him for are named Giancarol Stanton, Joey Votto, Clayton Kershaw, Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, and (alothough he is fading from the list) a healthy David Price (though if Manny Machado keeps this up he may get into the conversation). In fact when he gets to Boston, because he's so young, I would hope they extend Xander ASAP.
And Chris the person who suggested the trade possibility is actually not the sportswriter I know but a bond trader friend in NYC who is always looking outside the box.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 13, 2013 15:27:48 GMT -5
So far Xander has shown consistent improvement and he might turn out to be your next Giancarol Stanton, Joey Votto, Mike Trout, Bryce Harper. Sox traded Rizzo for Gonzalez and with in an year Rizzo was in majors and performing pretty well. I understand not all of your prospects will turn out to be stud players at ML level, but you have to atleast give that opportunity to your top prospects. I am all for making use of secondary prospects in trades but trading your top prospects is probably not wise most of the time.
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Post by danr on Jun 13, 2013 15:31:57 GMT -5
Interesting dilemma for the Sox management. Since Bogaerts hits like a 3B, and Iglesias, once he comes back to earth, is likely to hit like a SS, and since Iglesias has shown he can play a superior 3B as well as SS, but Bogaerts has not played 3B, which makes more sense: Iglesias at SS and Bogaerts at 3B, or vice versa?
I think it is going to be one or the other come next year, or possibly later this year, unless Middlebrooks comes to life at the plate. Then things will get even more interesting. I don't see Drew in the picture at all.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 13, 2013 15:36:12 GMT -5
Xander is everything you want a top prospect to be. How many kids who can hit a ball at will can draw a walk just as easily when it's given? in double A as the youngest player. He's exceeded expectations every year and I feel like we've hit the jack pot with him.
Normally fans want players promoted before they are ready because we think every top prospect is a Stanton who should be in the majors by the time they are 20, 21. Xander might be that guy where we the fan for once is actually right....Every year he looks better and at a higher level. SKy's the limit with this kid.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 13, 2013 15:58:49 GMT -5
The potential for Xander is so great I don't want to take a chance with him. I don't want to potentially mess him up by bringing him up too early.
At the same time if he tears up AAA ball screw it, bring him up in September!
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Post by charliezink16 on Jun 13, 2013 16:12:03 GMT -5
Interesting dilemma for the Sox management. Since Bogaerts hits like a 3B, and Iglesias, once he comes back to earth, is likely to hit like a SS, and since Iglesias has shown he can play a superior 3B as well as SS, but Bogaerts has not played 3B, which makes more sense: Iglesias at SS and Bogaerts at 3B, or vice versa? I think it is going to be one or the other come next year, or possibly later this year, unless Middlebrooks comes to life at the plate. Then things will get even more interesting. I don't see Drew in the picture at all. It really depends on whether the front office believes Iglesias is in their long term plans or not. If he is, and they see Iglesias and Bogaerts as the future together, then the obvious answer is Iggy SS & Bogaerts 3B. Bogaerts' value at SS is a product of trade value while Iggy's value at SS is created by his 80 glove. If they're both on the team (as starters), you play them where defensive value is maximized. This doesn't really matter if they look at Iglesias as their future UTIL player (which is something I'd push for as opposed to a trade). ADD: Misread your post, if you're referring to just this year then disregard my post.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jun 13, 2013 16:17:09 GMT -5
Ahh damn nevermind, send him back down please. I was a week away from seeing him in Trenton...bittersweet (just a tad of bitter)
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Post by mattpicard on Jun 13, 2013 16:17:34 GMT -5
Interesting dilemma for the Sox management. Since Bogaerts hits like a 3B, and Iglesias, once he comes back to earth, is likely to hit like a SS, and since Iglesias has shown he can play a superior 3B as well as SS, but Bogaerts has not played 3B, which makes more sense: Iglesias at SS and Bogaerts at 3B, or vice versa? I think it is going to be one or the other come next year, or possibly later this year, unless Middlebrooks comes to life at the plate. Then things will get even more interesting. I don't see Drew in the picture at all. It will absolutely be Iglesias at SS and Bogaerts at 3B if they are to play side by side. Bogaerts actually does have some experience at third from this years WBC. Iggy picked up third in a matter of days, but that's just a testament to his ridiculous fielding ability that is most valuable at shortstop. No one can top him there, and he'll save us boatloads of runs. I don't think the experience argument for time at each position really applies to either of those guys right now. Xander has time to acclimate, and his profiles well as a third baseman. We see decent shortstops time and time again move over to the hot corner, where they don't need as much range but still have the glove and arm to man the positon adequately. I think both guys could play either position. Bogaerts will probably be solid-average at either (he still has some fielding work to do though, see Ian's scouting scratch today), while Iglesias will be nearly incredible at both. Usually when that's the case, you put your A-guy at short.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 13, 2013 16:22:15 GMT -5
Ahh damn nevermind, send him back down please. I was a week away from seeing him in Trenton...bittersweet (just a tad of bitter) HA! I was almost thinking the same thing for a bit today. I live 5 minutes from the stadium in New Britain and was looking forward to seeing Bogaerts in July. Now it looks like I'll have to make a road trip if I want to see him again this year. But let's be honest here....there are plenty of other incentives to go see the Portland Sea Dogs.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 13, 2013 16:23:07 GMT -5
Gordon Edes ?@gordonedes 25s Sox plan is to use Bogaerts at multiple positions In Pawtucket Farrell says
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 13, 2013 16:38:30 GMT -5
3B, SS, an according to Sean McAdam 2B. Wow 2B! What does it mean........
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 13, 2013 16:39:21 GMT -5
The minors have been no match for Xander Bogaerts since day one. I don't think he'll be in them much longer and once he's up it will be for good.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jun 13, 2013 16:39:56 GMT -5
3B, SS, an according to Sean McAdam 2B. Wow 2B! What does it mean........ "See you soon buddy" - John Farrell
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Post by bjb406 on Jun 13, 2013 16:42:53 GMT -5
Ahh damn nevermind, send him back down please. I was a week away from seeing him in Trenton...bittersweet (just a tad of bitter) You'll probably get to see Cecchini then
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Post by jmei on Jun 13, 2013 16:56:56 GMT -5
3B, SS, an according to Sean McAdam 2B. Wow 2B! What does it mean........ "See you soon buddy" - John Farrell +1. Exciting time to be a sox fan.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 13, 2013 17:01:04 GMT -5
"See you soon buddy" - John Farrell +1. Exciting time to be a sox fan. could also mean that the shine on WMB is gone and he may be gone also?
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 13, 2013 17:22:10 GMT -5
+1. Exciting time to be a sox fan. could also mean that the shine on WMB is gone and he may be gone also? Would sure hope that our front office would give a prospect with less than 500 AB's a little time to make some of the adjustments that are necessary as a MLB hitter.
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Post by nomar on Jun 13, 2013 17:23:50 GMT -5
I'd put Taveras and Bogaerts over Buxton personally. Buxton has over 20 infield hits this year. A ball infielders can easily be beaten by a guy with Buxton's speed. That's not to say he wont always get infield hits, but his averages on balls that stay on the left side of the infield is .280 which is ridiculous.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 13, 2013 18:06:45 GMT -5
According to Pete Abraham, Farrell says Xander will play 7-10 games as SS at AAA before moving to other positions.
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