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Xander Bogaerts promoted to Triple-A
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Post by Jim Crowell on Jun 13, 2013 12:06:35 GMT -5
Posted by the PawSox on Facebook and then confirmed by Speier and MacPherson after it was deleted. The 20-year-old is hitting .311/.407/.502 in 219 at-bats this season, bringing his final Double-A numbers to .315/.392/.531 dating back to last season. As detailed in Ian Cundall's Scouting Scratch from yesterday, he had little left to prove at this level. He now moves one step closer to the majors, and it will be interesting to see if the Red Sox treat him like Manny Machado or if they give him a couple-hundred at bats in Pawtucket.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 13, 2013 12:10:28 GMT -5
Interesting timing. I guess they sold out the tickets Any way Xander deserves it and gives him enough at bats to get in to the big leagues by this time next year. Edit: Does the September call up counts to the service time? Also when is the super 2 deadline for him if September call up does not count and he is not called up to start the year?
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Post by okin15 on Jun 13, 2013 12:27:59 GMT -5
Perfect timing, as we just promoted our only on-roster IF depth to the MLB for good (Iglesias).
ADD: September DOES count towards service time. Super 2 is a moving line, but is usually around early June IIRC. Furthermore, If there is an injury this year, Xander could easily be the call to play SS or 3B, maybe at RF or 2B. They should get him some reps at those spots as well. I think that like Pedroia in 2007, you can't start the season scared in 2014. Assuming he gets an audition this year, you have to just begin with the best guys on your roster next year, and it's pretty likely that Xander is one of them. Dunno how you sort out the SS/3B logjam, but between nonperformance, injuries, and teaching Bogaerts to play multiple spots, these things work themselves out.
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Post by godot on Jun 13, 2013 12:34:09 GMT -5
Wow, just 20 years old, and he is at AAA. Now this gets interesting. I am sure they will start him at short, as there is no need to make him learn a new position while adjusting to AAA. But as the year progresses will he see time at third? They can't be very happy with Middlebrooks.
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Post by jdb on Jun 13, 2013 12:40:12 GMT -5
Pete Abe tweet
Get this: Bogaerts would be the youngest position player in Pawtucket history
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 13, 2013 12:44:16 GMT -5
Richly deserved!! The kid has done everything necessary to put himself into the team's plans for next season, and possibly later this year.
I would hope that Garin Cecchini gets promoted to AA in the next week or two also to replace Xander.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 13, 2013 12:49:51 GMT -5
Pete Abe tweet Get this: Bogaerts would be the youngest position player in Pawtucket history Guess that sheds new light on the "how long has it been since the Sox have had a prospect move like this?" discussion ... Might as well promote him once Iglesias was cleared out of the way. He was neither challenged at the level he was at nor blocked at the level above. If he does well at AAA, he's gotta be strongly in the mix for the #1 prospect in baseball.
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Post by nothingball on Jun 13, 2013 12:50:27 GMT -5
I know most people "claim" to disregard the yearly top prospect lists, but I'd say if Xander doesn't look completely lost in AAA, we likely have the #1 prospect in all of baseball. Prospect lists may offer little insight into the type of player they may or may not become, however, it sure is a fun point of argument among my circle of baseball friends. Exciting times for the entire Sox system.
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Post by godot on Jun 13, 2013 12:51:27 GMT -5
If they moved Cecchini up, he goes to third, and Almanzar to first, where he just may belong. Wouldn't Shaw then be the odd man out? I believe they have about three guys that can play short. If the scouting report on Almanzar is correct, he will remain at AA. Although he has improved seems like he still has some rough spots. Although a recent video of him hitting shows he can put a charge into the ball.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 13, 2013 12:55:33 GMT -5
Let's keep this thread to Bogaerts.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jun 13, 2013 13:02:59 GMT -5
Not to ruin the party, but I still see Bogaerts and Tavares as the 2/3 prospects in some order while Buxton is the top guy IMO. I know he's further away for the majors, but he's a legit 5 tool player who some scouts say is the best prospect they've seen in a while. Regardless, what Bogey is doing is unbelievable. As a young prospect fan who started following around Lars' ascension, I've never see anything like this, and probably won't for a long time. Congrats to Xander.
ADD: I know I'm in the minority here, but I could absolutely see Drew being dealt at the deadline w/ Detroit or Pittsburgh seem like likely destinations. Honestly, even if Iglesias cools down, his defense still makes him as or more valuable than Drew, and if that plan falls apart I am fully confident that Bogaerts could get a late season call up, such as Machado, and succeed.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 13, 2013 13:07:36 GMT -5
Wait, so he was the youngest playing in either AA or the division right? Now he is moving up to AAA. Wow.
I am not saying trade Drew or Iggy (who I think should be the starting SS), but I am bet this will lead to some trade rumors.
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Post by bsout2 on Jun 13, 2013 13:28:47 GMT -5
Not to ruin the party, but I still see Bogaerts and Tavares as the 2/3 prospects in some order while Buxton is the top guy IMO. I know he's further away for the majors, but he's a legit 5 tool player who some scouts say is the best prospect they've seen in a while. Regardless, what Bogey is doing is unbelievable. As a young prospect fan who started following around Lars' ascension, I've never see anything like this, and probably won't for a long time. Congrats to Xander. ADD: I know I'm in the minority here, but I could absolutely see Drew being dealt at the deadline w/ Detroit or Pittsburgh seem like likely destinations. Honestly, even if Iglesias cools down, his defense still makes him as or more valuable than Drew, and if that plan falls apart I am fully confident that Bogaerts could get a late season call up, such as Machado, and succeed. Byron Buxton is only 14 months younger then Bogaerts is right now. With this in mind and If Bogaerts continues to perform at AAA, I believe he has to be the number one guy.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 13, 2013 13:33:35 GMT -5
I love the aggressiveness of this but I'd really like to hear from some of the scouts here if they think he's ready. Just wonder if part of this is seeing how he deals with that so he may be closer to an Aug/Sept 1 call-up. Someone also suggested to me just now they may have moved him up in preparation for a possible trade that's being framed out trade at the deadline for an elite player and the controlling team wanted to see him against higher level competition to gage how close he is to MLB. I don't think the Sox would ever do that for a whole host of reasons, but I'll let the experts answer that one as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 13:41:08 GMT -5
Charlie just so you know you aren't alone on an anti-red sox prospect island, I am with you on this one. Buxton is a legit CF elite defensive CF.
As far as the promotion goes, I've always said that you only put a player in AAA if you feel comfortable putting him in the majors should a need arise. The Red Sox have a 3B problem, preference #1 to solving that problem would be Middlebrooks figuring it out. Preference #2 would be going to get a veteran player. Preference #3 is putting Bogarts there.
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Post by tomricardo on Jun 13, 2013 13:44:20 GMT -5
Not to ruin the party, but I still see Bogaerts and Tavares as the 2/3 prospects in some order while Buxton is the top guy IMO. I know he's further away for the majors, but he's a legit 5 tool player who some scouts say is the best prospect they've seen in a while. Regardless, what Bogey is doing is unbelievable. As a young prospect fan who started following around Lars' ascension, I've never see anything like this, and probably won't for a long time. Congrats to Xander. ADD: I know I'm in the minority here, but I could absolutely see Drew being dealt at the deadline w/ Detroit or Pittsburgh seem like likely destinations. Honestly, even if Iglesias cools down, his defense still makes him as or more valuable than Drew, and if that plan falls apart I am fully confident that Bogaerts could get a late season call up, such as Machado, and succeed. What is Detroit's problem with Perelta? Or are you assuming Bud is going to drop the hammer on the Roiders before the playoffs? Because there is zero chance as long as the Yankees are in playoff contention.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 13, 2013 13:44:36 GMT -5
Imagine the pressure this kid must be feeling. Managing that must be a potential issue for the team. He has never really experienced that much adversity, although the WBC probably felt like that for him. We need to be careful with this young man. If there were anyone I would want to delay a little it would potentially be him. Let him tear up AAA ball for a while. Better save than sorry.
Signed, Will Middlebrooks ( just kidding guys! I'm not Will )
By the way, Middlebrooks has handled the Iglesias situation like a PR pro. He couldn't have been more team focused.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 13, 2013 13:49:33 GMT -5
I love the aggressiveness of this but I'd really like to hear from some of the scouts here if they think he's ready. Just wonder if part of this is seeing how he deals with that so he may be closer to an Aug/Sept 1 call-up. Someone also suggested to me just now they may have moved him up in preparation for a possible trade that's being framed out trade at the deadline for an elite player and the controlling team wanted to see him against higher level competition to gage how close he is to MLB. I don't think the Sox would ever do that for a whole host of reasons, but I'll let the experts answer that one as well. All this time I thought you were an expert Guidas, a swashbuckling baseball expert! You seem like one to me, with lots of panache.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 13, 2013 13:54:08 GMT -5
This could be a normal developmental process, which is most likely but they must be a little concerned about 3rd base. And I wouldn't be surprised if they did chose to trade Drew at the break. We all think Iglesias has been extraordinarily lucky but I bet most of us still would like to see Iglesias as our SS. The guy is an incredible defender and he is clearly improved at the plate. If we gave him a slot for the rest of the year he has a strong chance to be ROY.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 13, 2013 14:00:15 GMT -5
Not to ruin the party, but I still see Bogaerts and Tavares as the 2/3 prospects in some order while Buxton is the top guy IMO. I know he's further away for the majors, but he's a legit 5 tool player who some scouts say is the best prospect they've seen in a while. Regardless, what Bogey is doing is unbelievable. As a young prospect fan who started following around Lars' ascension, I've never see anything like this, and probably won't for a long time. Congrats to Xander. Don't worry my party is not ruined. IMO I could care less how other prospects are ranked compared to Xander, I just care about his projection. Xander is more valuable to us because we have a CF prospect who looks like he will have a great career. Depending on how other players pan Xander could be great as a SS, 3B, or Corner outfield. Xander's tools play up, because you never see that kind of offense in SS's. To me, Buxton is not #1 yet, but he has the tools to get there and projects better tools than Bogaerts. We knew Xander had the potential for something special, but he didn't get top 10 consideration until he started hitting at AA. Buxton is pretty damn athletic, but he still hasn't proved it in the high minors. He is young and will get there. Xanders #1 prospect status is highly dependable on who graduates this year. Saying we have the #2-3 top prospect gets you an Island these days? Get out of here you troll.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 13, 2013 14:02:58 GMT -5
Xander playing at a premium spot should definitely help him also. It should be a factor in any top prospect consideration.
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Post by welovewally on Jun 13, 2013 14:06:20 GMT -5
This is the right move for both the organization & the player. I just hope they don't make the mistake of adding him to the 40 man until next year. I don't think he she should see Boston this year.
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Post by rider on Jun 13, 2013 14:13:16 GMT -5
If Xander keeps hitting at AAA I don't think it will be long until he starts getting reps at 3B and eventually called up for the stretch run. This is all assuming Middlebrooks doesn't get of of his funk or whatever you want to call it.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 13, 2013 14:34:12 GMT -5
I love the aggressiveness of this but I'd really like to hear from some of the scouts here if they think he's ready. Just wonder if part of this is seeing how he deals with that so he may be closer to an Aug/Sept 1 call-up. Someone also suggested to me just now they may have moved him up in preparation for a possible trade that's being framed out trade at the deadline for an elite player and the controlling team wanted to see him against higher level competition to gage how close he is to MLB. I don't think the Sox would ever do that for a whole host of reasons, but I'll let the experts answer that one as well. All this time I thought you were an expert Guidas, a swashbuckling baseball expert! You seem like one to me, with lots of panache. lol - and yet I am not left handed. I've only seen Bogaerts a few times live and only once this year when it was c-c-cold. While he's doing well now I thought they'd look for a more sustained performance before they bumped him up. My thought at the beginning of the year was that this is a kid who will get 400 ABs in AA and if all goes well jump to Pawtucket in August then probably Boston for a taste next May or June (like they did with Ells in 07) and if he thrives in AAA in '14 he finds his way on the Boston roster on or around August 1 (barring an injury that brings him up sooner). He was doing well in AA but as we like to say here, small sample, so I wanted to hear from Chris and Chris and anyone else who may have been seeing him over the last month who agree that Xander has proved all he needs to prove in AA (already).
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Post by marrcus on Jun 13, 2013 14:34:17 GMT -5
" Dunno how you sort out the SS/3B logjam," ----------------------- It would save a lot of time if you knew exactly how the FO is evaluating this situation. I do think the plan moves from Xander@SS on out across the inf. Everything else adjusts accordingly.
How that sorts itself out in terms of trades who knows? But it would certainly appear like the RS will leave ST next March with X in the lineup if all goes the way they would like it to.
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