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Post by burythehammer on Dec 12, 2016 8:33:09 GMT -5
It's not like Boras owns his clients. He can advise them against taking an extension all he wants, but he can't stop them from signing it. Not this straw man again. No one is saying Boras forces his clients to do anything. But the fact is the vast majority of them don't sign these kinds of deals, and that's what, a coincidence? They hire Boras for a reason and it is not unreasonable to assume that, with few exceptions, his clients won't take team friendly extensions, and to imply otherwise is to be obtuse.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 12, 2016 8:25:58 GMT -5
Okay, let's test your theory and offer Mookie a 6 year/6m dollar extension. I would love to be wrong. Mookie has plenty of options. Otani really only has two options. Wait and risk blowing out your arm in Japan (every starting pitcher that comes over seems to become a health hazard by the end of their first contracts with Dice-K, Darvish, and Tanaka) or come here and start a unique career in the majors where he wants to both hit and pitch a lot. This is where games matter. Players are attracted to playing against the best competition in the world here in America. He can't blow his arm out here? While playing for the league minimum and arb salaries? Sorry, not a very good argument.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 12, 2016 8:09:18 GMT -5
They "settled" on Moncada, the best prospect in baseball. Again, at this rate you'll have people calling Devers the next Mike Schmidt by this time next week. Typical over-exaggerations.
Gimme a break. Why don't you read soxprospects eval again: "One of the most exciting prospects in years."
Nowhere is it saying he is superior to Moncada I'm not talking about this site's evaluators. I respect them. I'm talking about people who, a week ago, would have done a dance if we got Chris Sale without giving up Moncada or Benintendi now pushing this narrative that he was really a consolation prize for Chicago, who, along with Boston and apparently the entire industry, knows that Devers is secretly the better prospect. Funny how that happens whenever we trade a guy, his stock goes down and the guy we keep's goes up. By the way, who says Dombrowski isn't going to trade Devers? After Kimbrel we heard, "they didn't give up Espinoza or Moncada or Benintendi!", after Pomeranz we heard the same thing, and now we're hearing it again. Just realize that the same people saying this now will justify it if we trade Devers and Groome a year from now.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 12, 2016 7:54:44 GMT -5
That doesn't change anything I said. It proves your belief that DD included two extra prospects for no reason whatsoever to be completely wrong. Chicago was not going to take a Sale for Moncada/Kopech trade. They wanted Moncada/Kopech/Devers and got Moncada/Kopech/Basabe/Diaz. He didn't just throw the last two in because he hates prospects. He did it to keep Devers. Maybe the DD Special is keeping prospects like Devers? You know, there's a third option here that you seem to be ignoring.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 22:42:04 GMT -5
My point was that DD's *own people* told him Moncada and Kopech alone was a close call if not an overpay, and he ended up adding two decent prospects. And that this has been his MO since coming here. If you think their analysis is flawed and misguided, talk to DD, he's the one who employs them. And Chicago wanted Devers instead of the two lesser prospects. That's why he included the two lesser prospects. That doesn't change anything I said.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 22:08:47 GMT -5
My point was that DD's *own people* told him Moncada and Kopech alone was a close call if not an overpay, and he ended up adding two decent prospects. And that this has been his MO since coming here. If you think their analysis is flawed and misguided, talk to DD, he's the one who employs them.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 21:49:23 GMT -5
So let's throw in two more pieces just for the hell of it. That's the Dombrowski Special. What part of "projection" is missing in this reply? The risk is 80-20 on the White Sox. They have 4 players who must realize a "projected" future value, while the Red Sox have one player who is expected to maintain already realized value. It's simply not as simple as theoretical projections. I have no idea what this has to do with my post.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 21:47:26 GMT -5
They "settled" on Moncada, the best prospect in baseball.
Again, at this rate you'll have people calling Devers the next Mike Schmidt by this time next week.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 21:40:55 GMT -5
To a kid, three years is an eternity. Okay, let's test your theory and offer Mookie a 6 year/6m dollar extension. I would love to be wrong.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 21:38:06 GMT -5
Jimed, you don't actually believe Otani is coming over to sign for a few million, you were just bothered by my tone and felt the need to step in. Not my fault.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 21:27:39 GMT -5
Right. I also don't "know" that Bryce Harper isn't going to sign with Oakland for 5 million a year. Great point by you. Well there are reports that he's coming here anyway despite the rule change which have come out since the CBA was signed. You have no other information other than "No way he will!" Maybe if there were reports that Harper wanted to go to Oakland and doesn't care about how much money he gets paid, they'd be similar scenarios. No need to be a jerk. Report, singular. One tweet, by a guy you've never heard of, in bad English, quoting what Otani's manager *thinks* will happen. No need to misrepresent the facts (well I guess you do need to when making a terrible ooint).
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 21:21:18 GMT -5
He wouldn't reach free agency for six years. For a pitcher, that's an eternity. And he would make almost if not as much in Japan over the next three years anyway.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 19:46:28 GMT -5
Right. I also don't "know" that Bryce Harper isn't going to sign with Oakland for 5 million a year. Great point by you.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 16:41:11 GMT -5
So let's throw in two more pieces just for the hell of it. That's the Dombrowski Special.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 16:35:55 GMT -5
There is no pro athlete on earth who puts "love of the game" over *that* much money. Use common sense and don't get your hopes up.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 15:56:51 GMT -5
Giving up hundreds of millions of dollars because you can't wait a couple years doesn't make you "different", it makes you a moron.
And it's not going to happen. Don't take one report based on something his manager said (through translation) like it's gospel.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 15:45:34 GMT -5
I mean, it really is amazing. I've never seen a player go up in so many people's estimation over the course of a week (where he didn't play a game) than Devers.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 15:38:04 GMT -5
The latter point is without a doubt true. And these are the same people saying now, "You can afford to give up Moncada because you held onto Devers!"
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 8, 2016 7:08:25 GMT -5
This trade confirms one thing that I have been thinking this entire time. The Sox are higher on Devers than they are on Moncada. Now that we know Devers was wanted but the Sox refused to part with him, this comfirms it even more that the Sox like Devers more than Moncada. How do we "know" this, exactly? If the White Sox said, "We'll take Devers instead of Moncada", Devers would be a White Sock right now.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 6, 2016 19:17:24 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal reported on Twitter that MLB officials told teams there will be no exception made for Otani. So looks like it could be three years. Which is probably good for us.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 6, 2016 17:57:07 GMT -5
You are overreacting in the opposite direction and your hot take is lukewarm.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 6, 2016 17:12:42 GMT -5
This is not a bad deal but I would much rather keep Moncada and trade for Quintana instead.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 6, 2016 13:15:30 GMT -5
Remember when people who doubted Dombrowski would strip the system.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 6, 2016 13:03:15 GMT -5
I'm gonna put this out there right now that we will get him without giving up Moncada or Benintendi.
Of course Dombrowski is our GM so he'll give up both just for the hell of it.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 6, 2016 12:53:07 GMT -5
Based on that reported Nationals offer, I'd say Rodriguez, Kopech and Devers plus pieces. Which you do in a heartbeat, obviously.
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