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Player of the Week, 7/15-7/21
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Post by foreverred9 on Jul 21, 2013 22:08:17 GMT -5
Michael Almanzar (POR)
6 G, 24 PA, 9 H, 1 HR, 1 2B, 4 R, 4 RBI, 3 SB, 2 BB/3 K, 0.409/0.458/0.591
Mookie Betts (SAL)
6 G, 25 PA, 8 H, 1 2B, 1 3B, 2 HR, 6 R, 5 RBI, 3 SB, 1 BB/2 K, 0.348/0.360/0.739
Mark Hamilton (PAW)
4 G, 21 PA, 7 H, 1 HR, 3 2B, 6 R, 5 RBI, 3 BB/5 K, 0.412/0.476/0.765
Wendell Rijo (GCL)
6 G, 27 PA, 10 H, 5 2B, 5 R, 2 RBI, 2 SB, 3 BB/1 K, 0.435/0.519/0.652
Stefan Welch (SAL)
6 G, 26 PA, 8 H, 2 HR, 4 R, 6 RBI, 1 CS, 5 BB/4 K, 0.381/0.500/0.667
Vote for your choice and discuss in the thread below. As always, please vote based on weekly performance rather than prospect status or ranking.
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Post by elguapo on Jul 21, 2013 23:22:11 GMT -5
I liked Henry Ramos as a strong candidate for this one. But he's not an option (I realize you can only pick 5) so I'll go with Betts.
total bases + walks + SB - CS
Ramos/Betts 21
Rijo 20
Hamilton 16 (fewer PA)
Almanzar 18
Welch 18
Assuming I can add.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 22, 2013 0:01:52 GMT -5
I liked Henry Ramos as a strong candidate for this one. But he's not an option (I realize you can only pick 5) so I'll go with Betts. total bases + walks + SB - CS Ramos/Betts 21 Rijo 20 Hamilton 16 (fewer PA) Almanzar 18 Welch 18 Assuming I can add. That seems like a pretty arbitrary measure, no? Plate appearances: Ramos 29 Rijo 27 Welch 26 Betts 25 Almanzar 24 Hamilton 21 Ramos didn't even hit .300 for the week. |
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Post by elguapo on Jul 22, 2013 8:59:55 GMT -5
That seems like a pretty arbitrary measure, no? Ramos didn't even hit .300 for the week. Not arbitrary for a player of the week. Just like a pitcher with two starts will (and should) have a leg up in pitcher of the week, a player who gets more plate appearances will (and should) have a leg up on one with fewer. Batting average is a fine statistic, but in a week's time one or two line drives caught vs one or two bloop hits have an enormous and outsized impact on Avg/OBP/Slg, so if anything's arbitrary it's that. 3 HR, 1 2B, 1 SB, 4 BB is a heck of a week no matter how many singles fall in. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 22, 2013 9:18:25 GMT -5
That seems like a pretty arbitrary measure, no? Ramos didn't even hit .300 for the week. Not arbitrary for a player of the week. Just like a pitcher with two starts will (and should) have a leg up in pitcher of the week, a player who gets more plate appearances will (and should) have a leg up on one with fewer. Batting average is a fine statistic, but in a week's time one or two line drives caught vs one or two bloop hits have an enormous and outsized impact on Avg/OBP/Slg, so if anything's arbitrary it's that. 3 HR, 1 2B, 1 SB, 4 BB is a heck of a week no matter how many singles fall in. My point is that using counting stats when a guy had more opportunities to accrue them is a bit silly when they're that close to begin with. That'd be like saying a starting pitcher who made two starts should be on there because he had more strikeouts. Ramos is definitely defensible if you're saying he should have been on the poll, but the guy wasn't close to being the best player this week in any rate measure except slugging (he was third, behind Hamilton and Betts). Among players with 15 PA's, here's were he ranked among players in the U.S. (we often discount the DSL guys): Runs created: sixth RC/27: ninth wOBA: ninth GPA: seventh OPS: seventh I don't think you're crazy for wanting to pick him or anything, but as I said, I also don't think he was even an automatic pick for the top 5. |
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Post by elguapo on Jul 22, 2013 12:06:55 GMT -5
Ramos is definitely defensible if you're saying he should have been on the poll That's almost exactly what I said. Obviously if you focus on rate stats you wouldn't pick him, since I'm taking a different tack I would have considered him a strong candidate, with his 8 Ks the best argument against. Goes to my previous point that rate stats are heavily batting average driven, which I choose to discount in this critical performance evaluation survey. I also don't like giving preference to players who performed at a slightly higher rate over a smaller sample - Take two players with identically great performances through 5 games; player A plays a 6th and has 'only' a good or very good game. Now player B has better rate stats. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 22, 2013 14:16:17 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a tough week-by-week exercise to pick 5, one that if we did it again with the same numbers we might come out with five different guys.
Probably came out too hard on the Ramos thing at first, so my apologies on that. I'm admittedly on edge this week. I'll be much nicer when I awaken on 8/2.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jul 22, 2013 18:41:38 GMT -5
I can see Ramos as a person in the top 5, but I had a hard time nominating him and with Chris out for the next two weeks, yours truly is holding the big stick. My personal bias is to looking at the RC and RC/27 stats and he ended up 8th in RC and anywhere from 11th to 14th in RC/27 depending on the PA cutoff.
Honestly, the toughest player to keep out this week was Butler. He only played 3 games but had the second most RC behind Rijo. 7-for-11 with 3 walks and a HR.
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