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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 24, 2013 10:29:48 GMT -5
Onto another note:
*if* Boston does indeed target another SP via trade before the 7/31 deadline? I'd like to see it be Iwakuma of the mariners. That guy has been frontline, #2 (at least) for them his 1st 2 years in the league and unlike Peavy? His shoulder isn't held together by super glue.
Not calling for the team to pay the required price for a mid-front end SP, but figure the cost wouldn't be a whole lot higher for someone whose health won't be in question every pitch they throw and Iwakuma would slot in behind Bucholz solidly at least next year with a team option.
Not sure if his deal allows FA after his 3rd year in the league, or the team has control for the normal 6y or not, either way? He's one guy that even at 32YO has been as unheralded, yet dominant in the league as Darvish these last 2y for an ex NPB pitchers.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 24, 2013 11:28:25 GMT -5
Well, the Mariners would need to be convinced that they are sellers, first.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 24, 2013 11:33:35 GMT -5
Well, the Mariners would need to be convinced that they are sellers, first. This is the focal point, not just for Seattle, but KC (Shields, Hochevar), LAA (Downs), Philly (Young, Lee) etc. These teams still have to put butts in seats. Waving the white flag in July doesn't get that done. And in Seattle, Jack Z is fighting for his job. He's been acquiring prospects every year in significant deals and very few have panned out for him.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 24, 2013 11:54:01 GMT -5
Well, the Mariners would need to be convinced that they are sellers, first. This is the focal point, not just for Seattle, but KC (Shields, Hochevar), LAA (Downs), Philly (Young, Lee) etc. These teams still have to put butts in seats. Waving the white flag in July doesn't get that done. And in Seattle, Jack Z is fighting for his job. He's been acquiring prospects every year in significant deals and very few have panned out for him. The main underlying factor with Seattle would be a star Japanese player with a team that prides itself having those types of players roots anyway. If he wasn't Japanese? They may be more inclined to let him go. If it would take one of the Ranaudo/Workman types, along with Middlebrooks to land him for instance? I'd say go right ahead if the team was going to pull a likewise deal for a always injured of late Peavy. Iwakuma is a front line SP and would give Boston a solid #2 for a couple more years if Boston gets to wanting to pull a trigger on a deal and Seattle decides to sell some.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 24, 2013 11:58:25 GMT -5
Ranaudo or Workman and Middlebrooks won't come close to landing Iwakuma.
They'll ask for Xander, and would maybe take Cecchini + + . . . . if tey'd trade him at all. Felix, Iwakuma, and Walker would headline a VERY tough rotation for Seattle next year. They'll need some offense, though. Maybe a new manager would be a good idea, too.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 24, 2013 12:10:59 GMT -5
Ranaudo or Workman and Middlebrooks won't come close to landing Iwakuma. They'll ask for Xander, and would maybe take Cecchini + + . . . . if tey'd trade him at all. Felix, Iwakuma, and Walker would headline a VERY tough rotation for Seattle next year. They'll need some offense, though. Maybe a new manager would be a good idea, too. He wouldn't take a Bogaerts, but a Cecchini and Ranaudo/Workman would probably be in play. Reason am mentioning him (Iwakuma) at all, is as have been saying time after time.. If going to get someone.. No people like Bedard that have issues both with injuries, lack of enthusiasm, blah, blah. I just see Peavy costing the team money and hardly being on the mound over the next season and a half for various injuries. Honestly? I'd rather see the team even give up the youngster Owens and Ranaudo, then work off of another middle type prospect..A Montas type high reward, but super longshot. Seattle has made some very tough moves that have led to the situation they are in anyway, good call there. The NYY deal, Vargas deal. Figgins. They would need to make themselves a decent one for a popular Iwakuma.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 24, 2013 12:16:37 GMT -5
Ranaudo or Workman and Middlebrooks won't come close to landing Iwakuma. They'll ask for Xander, and would maybe take Cecchini + + . . . . if tey'd trade him at all. Felix, Iwakuma, and Walker would headline a VERY tough rotation for Seattle next year. They'll need some offense, though. Maybe a new manager would be a good idea, too. He wouldn't take a Bogaerts, but a Cecchini and Ranaudo/Workman would probably be in play. Reason am mentioning him (Iwakuma) at all, is as have been saying time after time.. If going to get someone.. No people like Bedard that have issues both with injuries, lack of enthusiasm, blah, blah. I just see Peavy costing the team money and hardly being on the mound over the next season and a half for various injuries. Honestly? I'd rather see the team even give up the youngster Owens and Ranaudo, then work off of another middle type prospect..A Montas type high reward, but super longshot. Seattle has made some very tough moves that have led to the situation they are in anyway, good call there. The NYY deal, Vargas deal. Figgins. They would need to make themselves a decent one for a popular Iwakuma. They own the rights to Hisashi Iwakuma for 2014 at 6.5 million and have a team option for 2015 at 7 million. He is in his 30s, but I still cannot imagine them trading him. He was a free agent, the Red Sox had their chance in November 2012 to get Iwakuma, but I think that ship has sailed.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 24, 2013 16:38:23 GMT -5
Not sure if his deal allows FA after his 3rd year in the league, or the team has control for the normal 6y or not, either way? He's one guy that even at 32YO has been as unheralded, yet dominant in the league as Darvish these last 2y for an ex NPB pitchers. Not sure, but there is a $7 mil option on him for 2015 (1 mil buyout). You'd have to give them a pretty big offer to get them interested in dealing a guy like that with those contract numbers.
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Post by jbberlo22 on Jul 24, 2013 17:27:10 GMT -5
Ranaudo or Workman and Middlebrooks won't come close to landing Iwakuma. They'll ask for Xander, and would maybe take Cecchini + + . . . . if tey'd trade him at all. Felix, Iwakuma, and Walker would headline a VERY tough rotation for Seattle next year. They'll need some offense, though. Maybe a new manager would be a good idea, too. He wouldn't take a Bogaerts, but a Cecchini and Ranaudo/Workman would probably be in play. Reason am mentioning him (Iwakuma) at all, is as have been saying time after time.. If going to get someone.. No people like Bedard that have issues both with injuries, lack of enthusiasm, blah, blah. I just see Peavy costing the team money and hardly being on the mound over the next season and a half for various injuries. Honestly? I'd rather see the team even give up the youngster Owens and Ranaudo, then work off of another middle type prospect..A Montas type high reward, but super longshot. Seattle has made some very tough moves that have led to the situation they are in anyway, good call there. The NYY deal, Vargas deal. Figgins. They would need to make themselves a decent one for a popular Iwakuma. Are you crazy? it would take at least 3 of our top 10 prospects. Probably something like cecchini swihart and ranaudo and then a guy like brentz too probably.
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