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8/19 ML Gameday Thread: DSL Sox look to inch closer to title
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Aug 18, 2013 19:00:49 GMT -5
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steveofbradenton
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 19, 2013 13:15:38 GMT -5
Nice outing for Myles.
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA Myles Smith 2.0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0.00
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 19, 2013 13:35:42 GMT -5
Brentz with a nice day at the dish in his rehab assignment, going 2-3 w/ 2B, HR 4RBI and a BB. Vitek cant even hit GCL pitching.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 19, 2013 13:39:30 GMT -5
A bit from the GCL last week that didn't make it into my story today: Smith (I think) is rocking an outstanding high-top fade. Not quite Kid-level, but definitely Tiquan Underwood-esque.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 19, 2013 13:41:49 GMT -5
Kolbrin Vitek on rehab in the GCL as well.
Brentz 2 for 4 with a bomb and a double.
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Post by jdb on Aug 19, 2013 21:14:06 GMT -5
Swihart 2-4 with a 2B/3B.
Decent night for Brian Johnson too. 6 innins 2er 6k/2bb 3Hs
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 19, 2013 21:22:07 GMT -5
The DSL Red Sox beat the Royals 3-0 and are now 5 games up with 5 games to play. Tomorrow the go for the division title against the Royals. I don't know how the DSL works, if there are playoffs and how they work.
Alexander Basabe 2/4, 2 2B, BB, SO (He has been better lately)
Alejandro Basabe 1/3, HR, BB, SO
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 19, 2013 22:17:20 GMT -5
The DSL Red Sox beat the Royals 3-0 and are now 5 games up with 5 games to play. Tomorrow the go for the division title against the Royals. I don't know how the DSL works, if there are playoffs and how they work. Alexander Basabe 2/4, 2 2B, BB, SO (He has been better lately) Alejandro Basabe 1/3, HR, BB, SO There are playoffs. 5 Division winners and a wild card. Ranked by win pct. Top two get byes. Sox are presently the 4th seed.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 19, 2013 22:54:59 GMT -5
Luis Ramos only has 4 BB through 57.1 innings. Pretty solid control for the DSL.
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Post by taftreign on Aug 19, 2013 22:59:27 GMT -5
Can't help but be excited about what the future may hold for Blake Swihart. He has made tremendous strides both at the plate and behind it. Looking forward to watching his progression next season in Portland.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 20, 2013 2:14:52 GMT -5
OK, so I've got a question.
In the GCL game, Smith pitched the first two innings of their win, so is not eligible to be credited with the win. He was followed by Perdono, who pitched the next three, during which the GSox scored all 5 of their runs. He gave up 1 walk and 1 hit, unfortunately sandwiched around a wild pitch to produce a run. Heras then entered the game and pitched the next 3, giving up 1 walk and 1 hit, but no runs. Jiminez pitched a clean 9th.
Heras was credited with the win even though Perdono was on the mound when the Sox took the lead and ultimately maintained it throughout the game. Granted that Heras was slightly better than Perdono since they gave up the same thing in the same IP but Heras didn't allow a run, and I realize there is a rule about giving the win to the most effective pitcher. But doesn't being on the mound when the team takes the lead for good count for something too, especially when Perdono pitched effectively as well?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 20, 2013 6:24:25 GMT -5
I'm interested in what Joe Gunkel will do next year. 2 innings today, 0 hits, 6 K's.
Season: Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG RSX GCL 0 0 0.00 1 0 0 0 0 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2.00 .000 LOW NYP 3 0 1.76 10 0 0 0 4 15.1 8 4 3 0 3 24 1.20 .148
Older but still he is dominating.
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Post by The Duck on Aug 20, 2013 8:28:33 GMT -5
OK, so I've got a question. In the GCL game, Smith pitched the first two innings of their win, so is not eligible to be credited with the win. He was followed by Perdono, who pitched the next three, during which the GSox scored all 5 of their runs. He gave up 1 walk and 1 hit, unfortunately sandwiched around a wild pitch to produce a run. Heras then entered the game and pitched the next 3, giving up 1 walk and 1 hit, but no runs. Jiminez pitched a clean 9th. Heras was credited with the win even though Perdono was on the mound when the Sox took the lead and ultimately maintained it throughout the game. Granted that Heras was slightly better than Perdono since they gave up the same thing in the same IP but Heras didn't allow a run, and I realize there is a rule about giving the win to the most effective pitcher. But doesn't being on the mound when the team takes the lead for good count for something too, especially when Perdono pitched effectively as well? The official scorer makes the decision as to who gets the win. It can be any of the relief pitchers in the game regardless of score changes or innings pitched.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 20, 2013 13:42:31 GMT -5
OK, so I've got a question. In the GCL game, Smith pitched the first two innings of their win, so is not eligible to be credited with the win. He was followed by Perdono, who pitched the next three, during which the GSox scored all 5 of their runs. He gave up 1 walk and 1 hit, unfortunately sandwiched around a wild pitch to produce a run. Heras then entered the game and pitched the next 3, giving up 1 walk and 1 hit, but no runs. Jiminez pitched a clean 9th. Heras was credited with the win even though Perdono was on the mound when the Sox took the lead and ultimately maintained it throughout the game. Granted that Heras was slightly better than Perdono since they gave up the same thing in the same IP but Heras didn't allow a run, and I realize there is a rule about giving the win to the most effective pitcher. But doesn't being on the mound when the team takes the lead for good count for something too, especially when Perdono pitched effectively as well? The official scorer makes the decision as to who gets the win. It can be any of the relief pitchers in the game regardless of score changes or innings pitched. Is this a GCL rule? MiLB rule? I'm fairly certain it isn't a MLB rule, correct?
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Post by The Duck on Aug 20, 2013 16:29:11 GMT -5
The official scorer makes the decision as to who gets the win. It can be any of the relief pitchers in the game regardless of score changes or innings pitched. Is this a GCL rule? MiLB rule? I'm fairly certain it isn't a MLB rule, correct? WINNING AND LOSING PITCHER 10.19 (a) Credit the starting pitcher with a game won only if he has pitched at least five complete innings and his team not only is in the lead when he is replaced but remains in the lead the remainder of the game. (b) The "must pitch five complete innings" rule in respect to the starting pitcher shall be in effect for all games of six or more innings. In a five inning game, credit the starting pitcher with a game won if he has pitched at least four complete innings and his team not only is in the lead when he is replaced but remains in the lead the remainder of the game. (c) When the starting pitcher cannot be credited with the victory because of the provisions of 10.19 (a) or (b) and more than one relief pitcher is used, the victory shall be awarded on the following basis: (1) When, during the tenure of the starting pitcher, the winning team assumes the lead and maintains it to the finish of the game, credit the victory to the relief pitcher judged by the scorer to have been the most effective; From MLB rule book
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 20, 2013 17:50:11 GMT -5
That's actually not the relevant rule, because they got the lead in the top of the 4th while Perdomo was pitching. Here's the rule as written on MLB.com:
10.17 Winning And Losing Pitcher
(a) The official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher that pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, unless (1) such pitcher is a starting pitcher and Rule 10.17(b) applies; or (2) Rule 10.17(c) applies. (Rule 10.17(a) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the winning pitcher is concerned. Once the opposing team assumes the lead, all pitchers who have pitched up to that point and have been replaced are excluded from being credited with the victory. If the pitcher against whose pitching the opposing team gained the lead continues to pitch until his team regains the lead, which it holds to the finish of the game, that pitcher shall be the winning pitcher.)
(b) If the pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, is a starting pitcher who has not completed (1) five innings of a game that lasts six or more innings on defense, or (2) four innings of a game that lasts five innings on defense, then the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the relief pitcher, if there is only one relief pitcher, or the relief pitcher who, in the official scorer?s judgment was the most effective, if there is more than one relief pitcher. (Rule 10.17(b) Comment: It is the intent of Rule 10.17(b) that a relief pitcher pitch at least one complete inning or pitch when a crucial out is made, within the context of the game (including the score), in order to be credited as the winning pitcher. If the first relief pitcher pitches effectively, the official scorer should not presumptively credit that pitcher with the win, because the rule requires that the win be credited to the pitcher who was the most effective, and a subsequent relief pitcher may have been most effective. The official scorer, in determining which relief pitcher was the most effective, should consider the number of runs, earned runs and base runners given up by each relief pitcher and the context of the game at the time of each relief pitcher?s appearance. If two or more relief pitchers were similarly effective, the official scorer should give the presumption to the earlier pitcher as the winning pitcher.)
(c) The official scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher who was most effective, in the judgment of the official scorer. (Rule 10.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher). Rule 10.17(b) Comment provides guidance on choosing the winning pitcher from among several succeeding relief pitchers.)
So it looks like harsh scoring in this case. Probably should have gone to Perdomo. Heras would have correctly been credited with the win if the Sox had taken the led while Smith was in.
(FWIW, either I'm remembering wrong, or the NCAA has a rule that ignores the SP inning minimum if it was planned that he would not go five innings)
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 21, 2013 10:14:47 GMT -5
I don't think I can recall a time where a pitcher was at least fairly effective - as Perdomo was - and then didn't get credit with the win in the same situation. Especially considering how often a reliever who just stinks up the joint ends up vulturing a win, that's just really odd.
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