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Post by njsox on Aug 21, 2013 23:05:17 GMT -5
His numbers in the DSL deserve a mention, 42/3 k/bb ratio is impressive at any level and the fact he is 6'5" with that type of control is flat out intriguing. 4.7 h/9 adds to the intrigue as well. His numbers are reminiscent of Raul Alcantara, only better. Is there any information on this kid at all?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 22, 2013 7:51:03 GMT -5
There's very little information on any of the DSL pitchers. The one thing I can tell you is that he was piggybacking most of the year and forced his way into the rotation, even though there wasn't anyone to take out of it.
My honest suggestion, though, is to more-or-less ignore DSL numbers until those players come over to the U.S. It's like making too much of high school numbers. They're great numbers, but I'll hold off on judging until he gets over to the Fort next year.
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Post by okin15 on Aug 22, 2013 9:15:48 GMT -5
I'm very impressed with those numbers, and don't think they should be ignored, but I also don't think they say anything about his control or command, or mean more than that we should add him to the watch list. The fact that he forced himself into the starting rotation is impressive.
Now, I'm a little unclear on where the age cut-off is, but I'm also excited that he's the second youngest (and only by a month) of all the pitchers on our DSL roster. Certainly, this could have played a factor in him being ready for the rotation only as the season progressed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 9:39:14 GMT -5
There's very little information on any of the DSL pitchers. The one thing I can tell you is that he was piggybacking most of the year and forced his way into the rotation, even though there wasn't anyone to take out of it. My honest suggestion, though, is to more-or-less ignore DSL numbers until those players come over to the U.S. It's like making too much of high school numbers. They're great numbers, but I'll hold off on judging until he gets over to the Fort next year. I am wondering if you guys could find out some information about Gonzalez and players like that. I'd love to know what he throws, where he is from and what he has to work on. You'd add some serious value by doing that, because there is an obvious demand for this information and it can't be found in public areas. I'd do it myself, but I think "Hi I am Chris Hatfield from Sox Prospects.com", is more powerful than "Hi I am a curious Red Sox fan"
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Post by ramireja on Aug 22, 2013 10:00:11 GMT -5
There's very little information on any of the DSL pitchers. The one thing I can tell you is that he was piggybacking most of the year and forced his way into the rotation, even though there wasn't anyone to take out of it. My honest suggestion, though, is to more-or-less ignore DSL numbers until those players come over to the U.S. It's like making too much of high school numbers. They're great numbers, but I'll hold off on judging until he gets over to the Fort next year. I am wondering if you guys could find out some information about Gonzalez and players like that. I'd love to know what he throws, where he is from and what he has to work on. You'd add some serious value by doing that, because there is an obvious demand for this information and it can't be found in public areas. I'd do it myself, but I think "Hi I am Chris Hatfield from Sox Prospects.com", is more powerful than "Hi I am a curious Red Sox fan" That would be great, but I can't imagine anyone on the sox prospects team making a trip to the DR for an up-to-date scouting report. Unfortunately, I think we just have to wait until some of these guys arrive stateside unless the player has a relatively high reputation (Devers, Rijo, etc.) and previous scouting reports already exist.
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Post by njsox on Aug 22, 2013 10:48:34 GMT -5
There's very little information on any of the DSL pitchers. The one thing I can tell you is that he was piggybacking most of the year and forced his way into the rotation, even though there wasn't anyone to take out of it. My honest suggestion, though, is to more-or-less ignore DSL numbers until those players come over to the U.S. It's like making too much of high school numbers. They're great numbers, but I'll hold off on judging until he gets over to the Fort next year. I usually do ignore DSL numbers, especially those of pitchers, but I felt this kid's numbers deserved a mention. 33 to 1 k/bb ratio over his last 10 games is impressive at any level, even in the DSL where lots of pitchers have 5 to 1 or better ratios. Really it just makes me wonder if the lack of walks says anything about the repeat-ability of his delivery (very difficult for a 6'5" 17 y.o.) and also if the kid has any "stuff". In any case, it will make me pay attention to his GCL numbers next year, which are also useless, but keep me entertained nonetheless.
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Post by ramireja on Aug 22, 2013 10:58:09 GMT -5
There's very little information on any of the DSL pitchers. The one thing I can tell you is that he was piggybacking most of the year and forced his way into the rotation, even though there wasn't anyone to take out of it. My honest suggestion, though, is to more-or-less ignore DSL numbers until those players come over to the U.S. It's like making too much of high school numbers. They're great numbers, but I'll hold off on judging until he gets over to the Fort next year. I usually do ignore DSL numbers, especially those of pitchers, but I felt this kid's numbers deserved a mention. 33 to 1 k/bb ratio over his last 10 games is impressive at any level, even in the DSL where lots of pitchers have 5 to 1 or better ratios. Really it just makes me wonder if the lack of walks says anything about the repeat-ability of his delivery (very difficult for a 6'5" 17 y.o.) and also if the kid has any "stuff". In any case, it will make me pay attention to his GCL numbers next year, which are also useless, but keep me entertained nonetheless. I also think his number deserve mention and was actually going to ask about Gonzalez before I noticed that you started a thread. If we can't talk about DSL stats at soxprospects, where can we talk about them? These numbers are too good to ignore. I mean we'd talk about numbers like these at the high school level when evaluating potential draftees.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 22, 2013 14:59:49 GMT -5
Not saying "don't talk about them" by any means. I'm just tempering enthusiasm because I'm a killjoy I don't want anyone to get their hopes up. I should admit I had no idea his numbers were that good. It's easy to lose track of all the pitchers on that team. I'm very intrigued to see how many come stateside next year and how they do. I mean seriously, look at this nonsense! www.soxprospects.com/stats/pitching.php?split=0&page=1&sortby=YR&team=626&year=2013&type=1&min=0As for the "getting information" part, my point about DSL players kind of plays into that. We'd love to get scouting reports on everyone on the team, but a) we can't really get over there to do it ourselves, and b) it's not like the Sox FO is handing out scouting reports on an entire team of 16-18 year olds. Patience, young grasshoppers. If they get over here, we'll find out eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 15:07:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't expect them to hand out detailed scouting reports, but I would think that they would want to encourage fan interest and tell you guys some basic stuff about some of the players. You guys at one point were interviewing Romero annually until he was promoted.
Further I gotta think by now some of you have friends who scout the DSL regularly.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 22, 2013 15:40:35 GMT -5
If he is called for Instructs then I'll be interested. Its a good sign when they do that.
Also if you guys want to know about him maybe you should ask Ben Badler he seems very informed on that front.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 23, 2013 8:27:55 GMT -5
moonstone, just a heads up that I sent you a PM.
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Post by okin15 on Aug 23, 2013 11:25:20 GMT -5
Whoa... there's statistics on this site? This place is awesome!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 16:04:49 GMT -5
moonstone, just a heads up that I sent you a PM. As a personal policy I don't read or respond to PMs. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 16:06:18 GMT -5
If he is called for Instructs then I'll be interested. Its a good sign when they do that. Also if you guys want to know about him maybe you should ask Ben Badler he seems very informed on that front. That's a good idea......I do follow him and will tweet him when I get a chance. If someone wants to beat me to it go ahead.
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